Seasons Over Just Playing It Out

[londonblue]

well today confirmed what we knew deep down that the season is over, and probably has been for a while. the only goal now is to get the 20 points needed to stay up. the team on paper is a very poor one. and is quite average, interesting to see the crowd attendance today or lack of it.

people are not stupid the once a year fans would expect to have come to be entertained, would you truly want to take your relatives to that today

perhaps there should be a shake up on the managerial front . as for my comments regarding hunt I rest my case

the club is in financial dodo no money to bring any players in it does look very bleak. or will some of you idiots on here, come out with your usual cr..p
can we stay up??

I never bothered commenting on the irony of this at the time, I suppose it's called deferred gratification. :D

 

[Beefy]

FF, even if you had only spent £10 in the last 25 years you'd still be entitled to your opinion. Everyone is. I think the point of this is to point out that it was rather short sighted, and good on you for admitting it was wrong. However, my question is this, will you learn from it, or will you start calling for Tilson to resign should we fail in the playoffs, or have a poor start next season (whatever division we're in)?

Exactly. It seemed like at the time people wanted to punish Tilly for some poor results rather than look at the bigger picture and consider things like where we were pre-Tilly and where are we likely to find someone else as good when he eventually does leave.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Exactly. It seemed like at the time people wanted to punish Tilly for some poor results rather than look at the bigger picture and consider things like where we were pre-Tilly and where are we likely to find someone else as good when he eventually does leave.

Morning Beefy, think it was all a case of people jumping the gun a bit too early in the season. Of course, people are always entitled to their opinion and sometimes it does help tremendously to let off a bit of steam if things aren't going their way, but on reflection, and with the benefit of hindsight, if they can accept that they might have been wrong - as they have done in this case - then we can all move on.

 

[Farmer Fossett]

Exactly. It seemed like at the time people wanted to punish Tilly for some poor results rather than look at the bigger picture and consider things like where we were pre-Tilly and where are we likely to find someone else as good when he eventually does leave.

Beefy what is your problem!

I have admitted I was wrong.
Tilson has done an excellent job for Southend but in January I wrongly thought that we were in freefull. Our football was poor and as a paying fan was pis.ed off wioth what I was seeing (relegation and a bottom half of league 1 would have been poor). Since then Tilson and the TEAM have been excellent!

When Tilson leaves for bigger and better things within the next couple of years will you be joining him? Maybe next season if he is offered for example the Charlton job you may end up supporting Charlton next year!!

I however support Southend and the interests of the club - not any one individual.

UP THE BLUES!!!

 

[sufcintheprem]

Beefy what is your problem!

I have admitted I was wrong.
Tilson has done an excellent job for Southend but in January I wrongly thought that we were in freefull. Our football was poor and as a paying fan was pis.ed off wioth what I was seeing (relegation and a bottom half of league 1 would have been poor). Since then Tilson and the TEAM have been excellent!

When Tilson leaves for bigger and better things within the next couple of years will you be joining him? Maybe next season if he is offered for example the Charlton job you may end up supporting Charlton next year!!

I however support Southend and the interests of the club - not any one individual.

UP THE BLUES!!!

I think Beefy's point was that he too is fully behind Southend United but also that he can't believe that anyone else, even back then, would feel that the best interests of Southend United were served by a change in management.

If I remember right, the main theme was that Tilson got lucky with the signing of Eastwood and really had little to do with our performance across the past years. Hopefully now that one can be put to bed as we are playing as well as we've ever done under Tilson.

I think a manager deserves more time based on past record not due to sentimentality but due to the credentials which he has shown. Certainly, the ability to reinvigorate a stagnant team is a very rare commodity in professional football and it's worth bearing in mind next time we hit a bad run of form.

 

[Jam_Man]

I admit what I wrote in January was wrong but at the time we were ****e!
Tilson's tactics in November / December were poor I was not the only one to post this out. Also a number of players were not playing to their potential.

We were poor first half of the season, no dispute there, yet we were still within reach of the playoffs.

The lesson to be learnt is that all teams have ups and downs and that its not always the best thing to scream for the manager to be sacked just because of a poor month or two. (The CCC season doesnt count we were punching well above our weight yet still did better than Col U this year!).

As a supporter that has spent thousands of pounds seeing Southend over 25 years I am entitled to my opinions. If Shrimperzone is a forum where only positive comments are allowed then what is the point in posting? Also hindsight is a wonderful thing are you telling me that in the 5000 post you have previously posted nothing has come back to haunt you??

Yep everyone has opinions and definitely the right to post them. However if you post what were extremely drastic and radical things you then have to accept people who dont agree with them to disagree with them.

And no, nothing Ive ever said will come back to haunt me, Im always right about everything :)

I do not post here often because I do have a life outside Shrimperzone (unlike you and Leeboy etc) I will try to post write positive and hopefully not too many negative posts in future.

I also have a life outside of Shrimperzone. Its cold and lonely.

 

[Cliff Pavilion]

The lesson to be learnt is that all teams have ups and downs and that its not always the best thing to scream for the manager to be sacked just because of a poor month or two.

Amen to that. Nerve, patience, belief and some great business in the transfer window has proved to me that Tilly is improving as a manager all the time.

 

[BARNETBLUE]

The Blue Voice did well today until the boos started, it seemed like some people just targeted players for no real reason eg Collis. We were awful today, hopefully we beat daggers then get some confidence in the team and go on a run. I think we need to bring in a couple of players in this window but it won't be easy

I don't know this poster, but flicking back thru' the board he was almost Psychic!

 

[Beefy]

Beefy what is your problem!

I have admitted I was wrong.
Tilson has done an excellent job for Southend but in January I wrongly thought that we were in freefull. Our football was poor and as a paying fan was pis.ed off wioth what I was seeing (relegation and a bottom half of league 1 would have been poor). Since then Tilson and the TEAM have been excellent!

When Tilson leaves for bigger and better things within the next couple of years will you be joining him? Maybe next season if he is offered for example the Charlton job you may end up supporting Charlton next year!!

I however support Southend and the interests of the club - not any one individual.

UP THE BLUES!!!

The point is that regardless of how long you've supported the Club, if you are going to make ridiculous over-reactions then people have every right to pull you up on it. We were rubbish in December but it certainly wasn't the first time we've been rubbish for a few weeks and it won't be the last either.

Relegation and a bottom half finish WOULD have been poor, but with the playing and management staff here it was never on the cards.

You claim that I'm supporting the man and not the Club (a suggestion that I was tempted to treat with the contempt that it deserves) and yet you're the one who seems to think that we should be steamrollering teams out of sight. If you can't deal with the fact that a club the size of ours will probably lose more games than it will win over a long period of time than I suggest that you're supporting the wrong club.

I think Beefy's point was that he too is fully behind Southend United but also that he can't believe that anyone else, even back then, would feel that the best interests of Southend United were served by a change in management.

Or what he said.

 

[Beefy]

Anyway FF, don't feel I'm having a pop at you, just lets all be glad that everything is working out ok afteral.

 

[Irate Ian]

Morning Beefy, think it was all a case of people jumping the gun a bit too early in the season. Of course, people are always entitled to their opinion and sometimes it does help tremendously to let off a bit of steam if things aren't going their way, but on reflection, and with the benefit of hindsight, if they can accept that they might have been wrong - as they have done in this case - then we can all move on.

Well stated, we are all human and not clones. It would be a dull old world if we were all of the same opinion.

This forum affords oppotunities for all to voice their concerns, criticisms, plaudits, praise and thanks - whatever.

No-one can be wholly right or wrong all of the time !!

Life and Football is all about opinions.

Fossetts did not need to acknowldge he may have come to a premature or wrong conclusion ... that he did so is to his credit and shows his maturity.

More maturity from all, me included IMO.

 

[Farmer Fossett]

Anyway FF, don't feel I'm having a pop at you, just lets all be glad that everything is working out ok afteral.

My comments were out of order - I apologise Sir!!

Different fans have different expectations I honestly believed that anything less than the play offs would have been poor for Southend. We have dropped a division and have kept the majority of our squad and have IMO improved it. We also are now one of the six biggest teams in the division (however still miles behind Leeds and Forrest in support). Therefore anything less than the play offs would have been disapointing.
In January I and others had doubts as to whether Tilson was the right man to Manage Southend this was based on relegation, form and his bizaar tactics. I know that we are in a far better position since he has taken over however this is partly due to the backing of the Chairman. Wignall, Newman and Little were poor for Southend they however did not get the same level of support from the Chairman / Board that Tilson has received.

Tilson has turned things round and I for one will give him my full support!

We all have different opinions this should be a forum where people can express their views without a thread being retrieved three months later just to prove someone was wrong. Perhaps this is something the Mods should look at.

 

[canveyshrimper]

My comments were out of order - I apologise Sir!!

Different fans have different expectations I honestly believed that anything less than the play offs would have been poor for Southend. We have dropped a division and have kept the majority of our squad and have IMO improved it. We also are now one of the six biggest teams in the division (however still miles behind Leeds and Forrest in support). Therefore anything less than the play offs would have been disapointing.
In January I and others had doubts as to whether Tilson was the right man to Manage Southend this was based on relegation, form and his bizaar tactics. I know that we are in a far better position since he has taken over however this is partly due to the backing of the Chairman. Wignall, Newman and Little were poor for Southend they however did not get the same level of support from the Chairman / Board that Tilson has received.

Tilson has turned things round and I for one will give him my full support!

We all have different opinions this should be a forum where people can express their views without a thread being retrieved three months later just to prove someone was wrong. Perhaps this is something the Mods should look at.

Good post FF and well said. I have argued long and hard against the Tilson out brigade since early in the season when results weren't great despite the fact we were in the top 10 most of this time. I think in part this was due to a relegation "hangover". It is a great credit to the chairman that he did not sack his manager as many chairmen would have done, given our perceived lack of success. We can now (hopefully) reap the rewards of this and get the play off spot we desire and ultimately promotion.

I agree with you totally about varying opinions of people on this board, and the board would be sterile if it were any other way. However I disagree with you about threads being resurrected as this and a couple of others have recently. It's good to see views/reactions from months ago, like most I've said things on here that have come back and bitten me on the @rse, so I don't see why you or others should feel any different.

 

[seany t]

Well whats the alternative? Surely to fire someone, you need to have a better back up plan? Take Fulham and Hodgson, a move I CAN understand.

I was doing really well in this thread until this point...

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

I cannot image any manager got impressive CV like Tilson, Martin Allen, Mickey Adam and Mike Newell got good CV but looking at the big picture, Tilson managerment CV look better than 3 of these manager put together and we are lucky to still have him.

Wignall, Newman and Little were poor for Southend they however did not get the same level of support from the Chairman / Board that Tilson has received.

They did got backing from Ron Martin, but they bought in poor signing, if I was Ron Martin I would'nt be impressed at paying wages to player who not cut out playing for Southend, Wignall did bought some good players in summer with backing of Ron Martin, but Wignall cannot get the team to gel.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Not many manager can rebuild a new team to get Southend firing again, after having a teams that won 2 promotion in a row, we lost some of these players and Tilson have to replace some in summer (expect replace Freddy) then build almost a new team in Jan (most of them youngs which is perfect for future) and not easy to get them working like a team quickly as possible.

Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wengers is one of few managers in football who can build new team and still challage for Premiership - Tilson already prove it that he can do the same in lower level.