Zone Update Ron martin - non answered questions

[Irate Ian]

Refer to Fossetts Forum: Thread: Yes [6.3.2008] & The Future



Just so all SZoners are aware, I have been unable to post replies, as had been anticipated for the benefit of all grass roots supporters, as Mr Martin has not got back to me, as he promised to do at our meeting 6 March 2008.

Since nearly 6 mths has elapsed, IMO his answer is apparent:- No Comment.

Mr Martin's reluctance to honour his promise may be for what he may consider to be good reasons, but in fairness, he has failed also to even indicate what they may be, or to extend the courtesy of much contact [apart from an email to indicate that replies were expected to be given by about the end of the month of March to which I replied that would be fine and thanked him].

A number of interesting PM's have been sent to me in recent times, which I will consider to publish here or elsewhere later, once I have had time to evaluate.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Refer to Fossetts Forum: Thread: Yes [6.3.2008] & The Future



Just so all SZoners are aware, I have been unable to post replies, as had been anticipated for the benefit of all grass roots supporters, as Mr Martin has not got back to me, as he promised to do at our meeting 6 March 2008.

Since nearly 6 mths has elapsed, IMO his answer is apparent:- No Comment.

Mr Martin's reluctance to honour his promise may be for what he may consider to be good reasons, but in fairness, he has failed also to even indicate what they may be, or to extend the courtesy of any contact.

A number of interesting PM's have been sent to me in recent times, which I will consider to publish here or elsewhere later, once I have had time to evaluate.

As a point of interest have you emailed or tried to call RM to ascertain if his promised answers will be forthcoming?

Also aren't Private Messages exactly that?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Refer to Fossetts Forum: Thread: Yes [6.3.2008] & The Future



Just so all SZoners are aware, I have been unable to post replies, as had been anticipated for the benefit of all grass roots supporters, as Mr Martin has not got back to me, as he promised to do at our meeting 6 March 2008.

Since nearly 6 mths has elapsed, IMO his answer is apparent:- No Comment.

Mr Martin's reluctance to honour his promise may be for what he may consider to be good reasons, but in fairness, he has failed also to even indicate what they may be, or to extend the courtesy of any contact.

A number of interesting PM's have been sent to me in recent times, which I will consider to publish here or elsewhere later, once I have had time to evaluate.

Maybe he is too busy trying to run a football club!!

or

He feels your questions are too in depth to answer with one word answers and he is really doing his research to make sure you have all the correct answers and that will mean you don't bother him again while he is trying to run a football club.
I can understand if it was Vic Jobson, but Ron has never done anything underhand, getting questions of an untrusting nature from you probably makes him wonder why he is even bothering to run Southend United. I have seem him act on a few things in the time he has been here, and I trust him 100%

Why the hell you don't trust him or feel he is stitching us all up I will never know? I bet you give your wife 20 questions every time she comes home ;)

 

[Irate Ian]

Maybe he is too busy trying to run a football club!!

or

He feels your questions are too in depth to answer with one word answers and he is really doing his research to make sure you have all the correct answers and that will mean you don't bother him again while he is trying to run a football club.
I can understand if it was Vic Jobson, but Ron has never done anything underhand, getting questions of an untrusting nature from you probably makes him wonder why he is even bothering to run Southend United. I have seem him act on a few things in the time he has been here, and I trust him 100%

Why the hell you don't trust him or feel he is stitching us all up I will never know? I bet you give your wife 20 questions every time she comes home ;)

Do you live in the real world - this is business to RM and I don't doubt for one moment that he is an astute businessman.

To me this is more than about property developing and making money, this is about the long term security and well being of our football club.

We do not own it but being a "member" of a club [grass roots supporter] involves a life commitment and if I may cause you or Ron Martin annoyance well, that is tough. It goes with the territory.

Regrettable as it is to say and a sad indictment upon humans is that if you go through life trusting everyone 100%, particularly where financial matters arise, you will be exposing yourself to be bitterly dissapointed at best.

He may have taken a dislike to me, but the questions were delivered to him also by others and Shrimpers Trust are supposed to attend and represent us at board meetings - & deliver informatives to us.

Yet, there is an eiry silence prevailling all round.

RM has a business history and whilst I have been prepared to indicate being cautiously supportive of his current management, the legacy he may ultimately leave the club in, goes to the hub of concern.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Do you live in the real world - this is business to RM and I don't doubt for one moment that he is an astute businessman.

To me this is more than about property developing and making money, this is about the long term security and well being of our football club.

We do not own it but being a "member" of a club [grass roots supporter] involves a life commitment and if I may cause you or Ron Martin annoyance well, that is tough. It goes with the territory.

Regrettable as it is to say and a sad indictment upon humans is that if you go through life trusting everyone 100%, particularly where financial matters arise, you will be exposing yourself to be bitterly dissapointed at best.

He may have taken a dislike to me, but the questions were delivered to him also by others and Shrimpers Trust are supposed to attend and represent us at board meetings - & deliver informatives to us.

Yet, there is an eiry silence prevailling all round.

RM has a business history and whilst I have been prepared to indicate being cautiously supportive of his current management, the legacy he may ultimately leave the club in, goes to the hub of concern.

If you keep pushing him he may well end up doing what you don't want him to do...Keep going on about what you think someone is doing and they may end up thinking "sod it, if they think I am doing it, I may as well"

The chairman, the players, the secretary, the burger bar staff etc etc are all part of S.U.F.C and despite what you think, all are 100% behind the Blues.

Ron Martin admitted he wasn't a football fan when he bought into The Blues, but you can see the passion in him when he talks about Southend United, that isn't fake. The Blues are mighty, they change peoples lives, they have made Ron a Blues Supporter, he loves The Blues, he is 100% behind The Blues.. If you can't see that, it is more about you than Ron!!

 

[Irate Ian]

If you keep pushing him he may well end up doing what you don't want him to do...Keep going on about what you think someone is doing and they may end up thinking "sod it, if they think I am doing it, I may as well"

The chairman, the players, the secretary, the burger bar staff etc etc are all part of S.U.F.C and despite what you think, all are 100% behind the Blues.

Ron Martin admitted he wasn't a football fan when he bought into The Blues, but you can see the passion in him when he talks about Southend United, that isn't fake. The Blues are mighty, they change peoples lives, they have made Ron a Blues Supporter, he loves The Blues, he is 100% behind The Blues.. If you can't see that, it is more about you than Ron!!

Well if it goes tits up then we will have you and the "blinkered" 100%ers to thank.

With an astute businessman you have to provide for the worst but hope that does not happen.

I accept Mr Martin is a supporter as well but you seem oblivious to the prospect that once the cash cow has been exhausted he may be off to support his next development project.

The fact remains that a major conflict of interest potentially arises here between the developers maximising profits and SUFC supporters having ultimately to pay the cost back through turtnstile and season prices for long into the future.

How does RM run with the fox and hunt with the hounds ?

I take it you do not bother to take life insurance, or have a long term financial plan, because you are 100% sure that no unforeseen events will arise in your life that would place into jeopardy the well being of your dependents.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Well if it goes tits up then we will have you and the "blinkered" 100%ers to thank.

With an astute businessman you have to provide for the worst but hope that does not happen.

I accept Mr Martin is a supporter as well but you seem oblivious to the prospect that once the cash cow has been exhausted he may be off to support his next development project.

The fact remains that a major conflict of interest potentially arises here between the developers maximising profits and SUFC supporters having ultimately to pay the cost back through turtnstile and season prices for long into the future.

How does RM run with the fox and hunt with the hounds ?

I take it you do not bother to take life insurance, or have a long term financial plan, because you are 100% sure that no unforeseen events will arise in your life that would place into jeopardy the well being of your dependents.

Concern yourself with just yourself, don't worry about me or my life. You seem to have something missing in yours, otherwise you would be happy getting on with it rather than wasting your precious time digging about in others affairs.


You are not called Irate Ian for no reason eh!!

 

[cockles is back]

i for one am concerned Ian and I appreciate your posts, discussion board? fans forum? keep up the good work for the benefit of the few who are also concerned

 

[Irate Ian]

Concern yourself with just yourself, don't worry about me or my life. You seem to have something missing in yours, otherwise you would be happy getting on with it rather than wasting your precious time digging about in others affairs.


You are not called Irate Ian for no reason eh!!

Quite right you are there brain, cannot disagree with the last sentence.

Rather be labelled Synical or Irate than be taken for a complete fool.

Also I am not a quitter and refuse to be silenced by those who run scared or are fearful of what Mr Martin might or not be planning [long term] to do.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Quite right you are there brain, cannot disagree.

Rather be labelled Synical or Irate than be taken for a complete fool.

Not a fool at all mate, I look after me and my own..have never been taken for a fool on my life, and won't be. Ron Martin won't and isn't taking me for a fool. The Blues are in the best position they have been for many many years with a new stadium on the way. I am happy with that!

Only a fool would spell Cynical incorrectly ;)

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

I actually agree that we should press for answers on certain aspects of the new ground.

However, do we really need this many threads about it? We know you've not received replies as you've told us already in numerous other threads, so why a new one?

If I was Ron Martin, and had seen all this, I'd start wondering whether or not to take you seriously, or whether you had a particular axe to grind. It certainly wouldn't make me any more inclined to answer the questions, possibly the reverse.

How about one thread, the one maybe with the original questions? As you've not received answers, maybe a post to remind people of this on that thread, and then why not remind RM yourself? Then, post again with the results (or lack thereof) of this communication.

The way you're going you're going to lose impact.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I actually agree that we should press for answers on certain aspects of the new ground.

However, do we really need this many threads about it? We know you've not received replies as you've told us already in numerous other threads, so why a new one?

If I was Ron Martin, and had seen all this, I'd start wondering whether or not to take you seriously, or whether you had a particular axe to grind. It certainly wouldn't make me any more inclined to answer the questions, possibly the reverse.

How about one thread, the one maybe with the original questions? As you've not received answers, maybe a post to remind people of this on that thread, and then why not remind RM yourself? Then, post again with the results (or lack thereof) of this communication.

The way you're going you're going to lose impact.

That is the way it seems to me, so god knows what Uncle Ron thinks

 

[sufcintheprem]

Maybe he is too busy trying to run a football club!!

or

He feels your questions are too in depth to answer with one word answers and he is really doing his research to make sure you have all the correct answers and that will mean you don't bother him again while he is trying to run a football club.
I can understand if it was Vic Jobson, but Ron has never done anything underhand, getting questions of an untrusting nature from you probably makes him wonder why he is even bothering to run Southend United. I have seem him act on a few things in the time he has been here, and I trust him 100%

Why the hell you don't trust him or feel he is stitching us all up I will never know? I bet you give your wife 20 questions every time she comes home ;)

If a customer of my business asked questions about the stability of my business and I thought they were relevant (a promise to supply answers indicates willingness to respond) then they would be apoplectic after 6 months of me not responding and certainly not just irate.

RM should know the relevant details inside out and barring anything of a personal nature should be reasonably willing to discuss matters. It would probably take an hour at most to go through the answers.

The only time where I would not expect him to respond would be when the issues under discussion compromise business agreements or he decides they are not suitable for the public domain. If this was the case, why not indicate as much?

We're well aware that the club are aware of discussions going on here and so the club must be aware that a significant population of the fanbase are aware awaiting the responses. Further, they must also be aware that Ian is unlikely to drop the issue.

It seems to me that the no comment must be a deliberate measure and that raises an element of doubt. I support Ian's questioning.

 

[Jam_Man]

Whilst it would be nice to see RM response, do we really need so many threads on the same thing ?

 

[Lord Football]

I've no idea who you are, maybe Ron doesn't either.

I know in my business if a client asked me questions, I'd answer them. If a customer asked me in depth questions, I'd probably not have time to answer and have bigger priorities.

I'd suggest this may well be the case with RM. Just a thought.

 

[Irate Ian]

I actually agree that we should press for answers on certain aspects of the new ground.

However, do we really need this many threads about it? We know you've not received replies as you've told us already in numerous other threads, so why a new one?

If I was Ron Martin, and had seen all this, I'd start wondering whether or not to take you seriously, or whether you had a particular axe to grind. It certainly wouldn't make me any more inclined to answer the questions, possibly the reverse.

How about one thread, the one maybe with the original questions? As you've not received answers, maybe a post to remind people of this on that thread, and then why not remind RM yourself? Then, post again with the results (or lack thereof) of this communication.

The way you're going you're going to lose impact.

Yes I agree sorry, but the mods must take partial responsibility on that front.

I posted a financial only thread "The £80M question" on Chit Chat.

Mods moved it to the graveyard of FF, deeming it be Fossetts related.

Not more than 5% of SZoners online view FF at any one time and this does not assit to promote the debate to the wider audience who visit Chit Chat.

Hence the need to post up-dates on new & differing threads on Chit Chat & replication to some extent.

The question of raising £80M was purely financial related and should IMO have remianed at Chit Chat, albeit that some posters introduced Fossetts questions [off the actual topic] so the mods moved it to the graveyard, which I suppose is at their sole discretion.

I sent PM to joint founders/owners of SZ to disagree with the moving of that thread two days ago, but without acknowledgment or response at current date/time.

 

[graysblue]

i fail to understand why some of you appear to have a downer regarding ian.

this guy seems to be trying his hardest to find answers which will effect every single blues fan.

personally with the plans passed i would have thought major work would have started on the site,or is the project become too expensive bearing in mind the housing market in freefall and banks unwilling to lend big bucks.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Yes I agree sorry, but the mods must take partial responsibility on that front.

I posted a financial only thread "The £80M question" on Chit Chat.

Mods moved it to the graveyard of FF, deeming it be Fossetts related.

Not more than 5% of SZoners online view FF at any one time and this does not assit to promote the debate to the wider audience who visit Chit Chat.

Hence the need to post up-dates on new & differing threads on Chit Chat & replication to some extent.

The question of raising £80M was purely financial related and should IMO have remianed at Chit Chat, albeit that some posters introduced Fossetts questions [off the actual topic] so the mods moved it to the graveyard, which I suppose is at their sole discretion.

I sent PM to joint founders/owners of SZ to disagree with the moving of that thread two days ago, but without acknowledgment or response at current date/time.

No, the mods don't have to take responsibility.

They moved the thread to Fossets, because it was about, funnily enough, Fossets. Now, you say it's a graveyard, and only 5% of users read that forum. Maybe only 5% are interested? Maybe the reason you get more responses on the thread in this part of the forum is because people complain about the repetetiveness of it?

As for the £80M question, I'd say that's pretty much Fossets related, so was right to be moved too. I'm also sure that at some point this thread will also be moved.

The mods/owners spend time and money making this site for the likes of us. They have rules in place that, whether we agree with them or not, we must abide by if we wish to use this site. To say they're wrong, and continually post these threads in the main forum against their seeming wishes is not only bordering on arrogance, but is surely just making more work for them?

rant over!

 

[canveyshrimper]

No, the mods don't have to take responsibility.

They moved the thread to Fossets, because it was about, funnily enough, Fossets. Now, you say it's a graveyard, and only 5% of users read that forum. Maybe only 5% are interested? Maybe the reason you get more responses on the thread in this part of the forum is because people complain about the repetetiveness of it?

As for the £80M question, I'd say that's pretty much Fossets related, so was right to be moved too. I'm also sure that at some point this thread will also be moved.

The mods/owners spend time and money making this site for the likes of us. They have rules in place that, whether we agree with them or not, we must abide by if we wish to use this site. To say they're wrong, and continually post these threads in the main forum against their seeming wishes is not only bordering on arrogance, but is surely just making more work for them?

rant over!

Well said Swansea and I have been thinking about moving this post to the Fossets Forum, however in the interests of fairness to Irate Ian and his "crusade" I think we should leave this here, but only on the basis that you do not open any more threads on the same subject. Others have rightly pointed out that there are way to many threads going around in the same circle.

Thanks

 

[weststander]

i fail to understand why some of you appear to have a downer regarding ian.

this guy seems to be trying his hardest to find answers which will effect every single blues fan.

personally with the plans passed i would have thought major work would have started on the site,or is the project become too expensive bearing in mind the housing market in freefall and banks unwilling to lend big bucks.

Graysblue, I dont think that anyone has a downer on Ian or what he is doing, what some of us dont like is the way that he's going about it. He has started numerous threads about the same thing and when they get moved to the FF section (spookily enough because they are all about FF) he starts another one and goes through the same thing all over again.
He also seems to think that by posting on here he is going to get answers to his questions and noone on here can answer them ! Surely he would be better off contacting the club or RM. I'm sure that if he badgered them as much as he's posted on here then they'd get fed up and answer him.