Supporters Group News Rolling Protest Saturday 15/07/23

[Strykr]

I admire your sentiments, but, fact of life, we are not entitled to know anything from Kimura as we have no financial or share holder involvement/interest in this deal.

Plus im hoping they are proper business people and dont intend to go anywhere near a debate with fans, on here in the press or social media.

 

[Shrimp and two veg]

Occurs to me that the seriousness of our football club falling down into the very drains of Roots Hall, actually stems from Ron's apparent attitude of stepping away from financing the club in the slightest. The fact that he has been allowed to take us here to the absolute brink, well its quite amazing.
Martin should have been forced out a while ago and i feel disappointed with the lack of action against him. Still, looking forward, all supporter groups need to get together and organise protests in all manner of ways including online and get these protests in BEFORE he announces his statements. I go on past history with Ron, come Monday night and fan's resolve will weaken in my view.
I ask, nay plead, with all Blues fans to keep up the pressure whilst Rome burns. And burn it will.
For anyone sufferering with mental health with all this, please step away from these pages and get some fresh air, i worry about you guys.

 

[Blues4LifeDan]

Based on your interpretation yes. But on the other side maybe Kimura don’t want to pay a penny for the stadium until built? Surely not?Equally unattractive IF it were the case? I have no idea. Logically pay according to stage payments would be the compromise for both parties? Is this on the table? You may have personal knowledge of what is offered- I have no idea, and am very keen to hear from both sides.

I most certainly don't have inside knowledge, more's the pity. One would assume that the deal on the table would be along the lines of what you suggest. A deal that would be paid in installments based on meeting certain milestones in the building phase. However, Ron keeps saying that 'they don't have the money'. That seems to suggest that he wants a large sum up front that Kimura don't have. This doesn't align with a deal that is paid in installments. Not many potential buyers would have X amount of millions lying in the bank to offload right away.

Something, or many things, aren't quite right with with this transaction. The obvious candidate for it's failure of completion is Ron, but we don't know what Kimura's stance is and until they feed us some of that information, we will all be kept guessing and will have to listen to Ron play the blame game. Come on Kimura, come to the forefront, the floor is yours...

 

[BluBayou]

Hold on. For this to work he would have to delay putting in the planning for a new stadium until he already has a buyer? Not sure that’s realistic?

Correct. It is of course no longer realistic. He thought he would not need a buyer because he was smart/rich enough to complete the whole project himself. So he never considered what others might prefer in the stadium design. Now he is forced to sell he finds the market doesn't like his FF scheme. If he had foreseen this problem, perhaps he could have worked with a buyer much earlier in the planning development. Is he mentally capable of that?

I suspect the economics of his FF scheme aren't anything like as profitable as the headline numbers appear. We hear that RH is worth £X00 million and FF £Y00 million. But I've never seen the netted off numbers after the costs of land, materials, labour, interest charges and the profit margins of all the other parties with their finger in the pie. Then take off Ron's £X0 million that he owes others. Perhaps Ron can't budge on his crazy negotiating position because it's the only position where he can afford the development. If he is forced to accept reality the whole thing unravels. I've heard builders are already cutting 25% of their building projects because of falling property prices. That 25% will be the least profitable projects in their portfolio...and they won't have been projects which required a football stadium attached. So where does Ron's FF scheme sit in the pecking order of viable projects in the current market?.

I appreciate the above doesn't help our current situation. I'm just calling it as I see it. I know so many people are trying to push this deal over the line. Let's hope all their efforts, and their attention to the infuriating complexities of it all, pays off, and our beloved club survives.

 

[kentblues]

Correct. It is of course no longer realistic. He thought he would not need a buyer because he was smart/rich enough to complete the whole project himself. So he never considered what anyone else would want. Now he is forced to sell he finds the market doesn't like his FF scheme. If he had foreseen this problem, perhaps he could have worked with a buyer much earlier in the planning development. Is he mentally capable of that?

I suspect the economics of his FF scheme aren't anything like as profitable as the headline numbers appear. We hear that RH is worth £X00 million and FF £Y00 million. But I've never seen the netted off numbers after the costs of land, materials, labour, interest charges and the profit margins of all the other parties with their finger in the pie. Then take off Ron's £X0 million that he owes others. Perhaps Ron can't budge on his crazy negotiating position because it's the only position where he can afford the development. If he is forced to accept reality the whole thing unravels. I've heard builders are already cutting 25% of their building projects because of falling property prices. That 25% will be the least profitable projects in their portfolio...and they won't have been projects which required a football stadium attached. So where does Ron's FF scheme sit in the pecking order of viable projects in the current market?.

I appreciate the above doesn't help our current situation. I'm just calling it as I see it. I know so many people are trying to push this deal over the line. Let's hope all their efforts, and their attention to the infuriating complexities of it all, pays off and our beloved club survives.

Well you say the “market” doesn’t like his FF scheme but again it’s pure speculation. As far as I see there is a huge site a FF he bought for very little, and he also already has a lessee and ultimate buyer for most of the units. He also has a business partner as developers in the shape of the billionaire Dellals. And there are always significant economies of scale with these things. But none of us know…regrettably…

 

[Alexshrimper]

I admire your sentiments, but, fact of life, we are not entitled to know anything from Kimura as we have no financial or share holder involvement/interest in this deal.

I get that but they did release the RW. the rock and wallop

Are they playing us as well?

if this stance continues for another week we die

The trust has reached out to them and the result of this should be made public

 

[jphfitz]

I get that but they did release the RW. the rock and wallop

Are they playing us as well?

if this stance continues for another week we die

The trust has reached out to them and the result of this should be made public

The Trust released a statement about the output of the meeting with Kriss Tremaine and it was essentially the deal in our view is not close.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

One thing I will give Ron credit for - probably the only thing - is that he does often come out and face the fans in these situations. Unfortunately he normally leaves us with more questions than answers and comes across as quite patronising. For him to say he's "never lied" is just laughable.

 

[jimmyshrimp]

I know these are business people and want to make money (fair enough) but the biggest shame appears to be no ones putting the football club first!

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

For anyone sufferering with mental health with all this, please step away from these pages and get some fresh air, i worry about you guys.

My sentiment exactly.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Correct. It is of course no longer realistic. He thought he would not need a buyer because he was smart/rich enough to complete the whole project himself. So he never considered what others might prefer in the stadium design. Now he is forced to sell he finds the market doesn't like his FF scheme. If he had foreseen this problem, perhaps he could have worked with a buyer much earlier in the planning development. Is he mentally capable of that?

I suspect the economics of his FF scheme aren't anything like as profitable as the headline numbers appear. We hear that RH is worth £X00 million and FF £Y00 million. But I've never seen the netted off numbers after the costs of land, materials, labour, interest charges and the profit margins of all the other parties with their finger in the pie. Then take off Ron's £X0 million that he owes others. Perhaps Ron can't budge on his crazy negotiating position because it's the only position where he can afford the development. If he is forced to accept reality the whole thing unravels. I've heard builders are already cutting 25% of their building projects because of falling property prices. That 25% will be the least profitable projects in their portfolio...and they won't have been projects which required a football stadium attached. So where does Ron's FF scheme sit in the pecking order of viable projects in the current market?.

I appreciate the above doesn't help our current situation. I'm just calling it as I see it. I know so many people are trying to push this deal over the line. Let's hope all their efforts, and their attention to the infuriating complexities of it all, pays off, and our beloved club survives.

I wonder if the only way this happens is for Ron to sell the club and RH and just drop the whole Fossetts pipe dream. I’m guessing the delay is due to Ron being financially compensated so he’s not left skint after paying his debts. He’ll be wanting all sorts of up front payments and caveats you’d think. He’ll want to sell the lot but half of what he’s selling doesn’t exist.

 

[Medway Blue]

He’ll want to sell the lot but half of what he’s selling doesn’t exist.

And with no guarantees that it ever will.

 

[CanveyCastle]

What have any of these posts got to do with Protests ?

Mods do your job please.

#MartinOut

 

[Redbridge Blue]

How about raising some money to hire one of those mobile advertising lorries to trundle around the town. It could display a list of Ron’s broken promises. Should also attract further coverage in the press.

 

[Leeboy]

How about raising some money to hire one of those mobile advertising lorries to trundle around the town. It could display a list of Ron’s broken promises. Should also attract further coverage in the press.

with a big image of his head with a speech bubble saying 'it's not me'

 

[Danshrimper]

How about raising some money to hire one of those mobile advertising lorries to trundle around the town. It could display a list of Ron’s broken promises. Should also attract further coverage in the press.

I don’t think there’s a lorry big enough for that.

 

[Farmer Fossett]

Will there be another protest, outside RM's home this week or weekend? We need to keep the pressure on RM!

 

[CanveyCastle]

Will there be another protest, outside RM's home this week or weekend? We need to keep the pressure on RM!

Would like to think it would be before the weekend.

Up and down Benfleet Road to advise his neighbours what he is like.

#MartinOut

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

One thing that struck me watching the videos was all the blaring horns going past. They were ****ing me off after a couple of minutes so goodness knows what Ron's neighbours think of it.

 

[lombard]

Can anybody inform me, where the supporters questioning "Dodgy" Ron at his property on
Saturdays protests is, I thought their questions were excellent.