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[AndyT]

I don't think goals will be an issue for Dru. He likes to drive forward and has got a decent shot on him. Pretty accurate, too.

Thinking back to the likes of Mike Marsh and Keith Jones, they only scored around 1 every 9 games or so for us, but I'd rate them as two of the best and most influential midfielders we have had in the last 20-30 years or so.

 

[Firestorm]

It's funny that people slate Timlin in the same way that they slated Atkinson. Yet after Atkinson left people realised that you need workhorses in your team. You need the kind of player you bring on away from home to help get you over the line when you're under the cosh.

Timlin is one of those players. 100% commitment and one of the only players in our team that installs a bit of fear into the opposition.

He doesn't cost the earth and is a real asset to the team. Am i suggesting that he plays every minute of every game. No of course not , but he will always try and get in the matchday 11.

When we won the league 1 title it was all about barrett Eastwood and the goat etc.

Bradbury, pettifer, hunt all got over looked as making up the numbers. In fact all of them were vital components to a larger squad.

I don’t think Timlin is being slated, rather that, just like Atkinson, he could be improved on. The issue Brown had with Atkinson was that he didn’t replace him.
Timlin has been offered a contract, I am sure he will be decent cover for the season, but I imagine it will not be quite the dal he currently has

 

[secondalibi]

Timlin always gives 100%, but is that enough? Sorry, but you can't keep players simply because they try. For me there's an issue with Timlin quality wise. He constantly gives the ball away and is clearly not the player he once was. He also used to have a goal in him, but that's gone too. There is too much sentimentality in football. He's been fantastic for us, but there has to be better options.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

It's funny that people slate Timlin in the same way that they slated Atkinson. Yet after Atkinson left people realised that you need workhorses in your team. You need the kind of player you bring on away from home to help get you over the line when you're under the cosh.

Timlin is one of those players. 100% commitment and one of the only players in our team that installs a bit of fear into the opposition.

He doesn't cost the earth and is a real asset to the team. Am i suggesting that he plays every minute of every game. No of course not , but he will always try and get in the matchday 11.

When we won the league 1 title it was all about barrett Eastwood and the goat etc.

Bradbury, pettifer, hunt all got over looked as making up the numbers. In fact all of them were vital components to a larger squad.

I never said that about Atkinson at all. I would much rather have kept Atkinson as he did a far better job than Timlin last season.

Personally I though Timlin was rubbish at left back (not his fault PB kept playing him), but did ok back in the centre.

My issue is, as someone else stated above, is he constantly gives the ball away and as he's not really versatile, I think we should be looking to upgrade and bring in someone better all round.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Only McLaughlin provided more assists than Timlin this season. I wouldn't say he's surplus to requirements just yet.

I'd like to see the stats to back that statement up

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Conveniently left the number of assists out, which was only 3 (or 2 depending on which site you check) so not really a figure to use as a argument to keep him!!!

Dru had more assists than that. There a video on another thread showing some of Dru's play and there are about 6 assists in there alone.

 

[manor15]

Conveniently left the number of assists out, which was only 3 (or 2 depending on which site you check) so not really a figure to use as a argument to keep him!!!

I'd like to see the stats to back that statement up

According to Chris Phillips and the stats he collects at each game rather than a dodgy website (including the OS), he got 4. McLaughlin got 14 but Cox (who's hailed as the creative hub of the team by some) also got 4.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

There are some stats that can be worthwhile and some that are too simple and need thinking about.
For example, if Cox, or MAF made a run that took two defenders out of position allowing MacL to thread a pass (the statistical assist) through to Woody who ghosted into the created vacuum to score is the work of Cox (or MAF) less?
For Timlin an interesting stat might be tackles made, intercepts or blocks of goal attempts against us.

 

[Medway Blue]

There are some stats that can be worthwhile and some that are too simple and need thinking about.
For example, if Cox, or MAF made a run that took two defenders out of position allowing MacL to thread a pass (the statistical assist) through to Woody who ghosted into the created vacuum to score is the work of Cox (or MAF) less?
For Timlin an interesting stat might be tackles made, intercepts or blocks of goal attempts against us.

Yes, this! Some can see the above.....others can’t and only seem able to worship the simple stats rather than looking a little bit closer or analytically at what’s going on in our build-up play.

Cox’s movement, vision and passing quality has often been what has kept our attacking moves going. He lays foundations from which the likes of McLaughlin gets direct assists. I could near enough guarantee that we wouldn’t have scored as many goals since January nor been as entertaining to watch without Simon Cox.

 

[bazzashrimper]

Yes, this! Some can see the above.....others can’t and only seem able to worship the simple stats rather than looking a little bit closer or analytically at what’s going on in our build-up play.

Cox’s movement, vision and passing quality has often been what has kept our attacking moves going. He lays foundations from which the likes of McLaughlin gets direct assists. I could near enough guarantee that we wouldn’t have scored as many goals since January nor been as entertaining to watch without Simon Cox.

Players who take corners and free kicks tend to be the ones who get most assists. Players like cox win the free kicks and corners too.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Appears we are back to writing Timlin off yet again, just like so many wrote John White off season after season.
Only one man's opinion really matters here and that's Chris Powell - surely he'll see the value of one of our longest serving and bravest players I've seen play at Roots Hall.

 

[mattitouk]

I think some are only only writing Timlin off because he's out of contract. IMO he has another season in him, and can cover other positions other than his own preferred one, be that starting or coming off the bench.

Regardless of next season, I wouldn't currently give him another contract after that though.


Shoot me down for this, but i'm in favour of SCP keeping with the same ethics as Phil Brown, (in terms of a smaller squad with bringing in quality players at a cost & not just buying the average division 1 or division 2 joe's to make the squad numbers up).

I think we have more than enough quality from our experienced youngsters, (from goalkeepers, to defenders / midfielders & forwards) to cover some temporary gaps through injury or suspension through most of of the season. Lets be honest, we are hardly gonna go on a massive cup run anyway, so we may as well focus on the automatic promotion place :smile:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Shoot me down for this, but i'm in favour of SCP keeping with the same ethics as Phil Brown, (in terms of a smaller squad with bringing in quality players at a cost & not just buying the average division 1 or division 2 joe's to make the squad numbers up).

That's strategy rather than ethics.

We certainly need a change in ethics to move away from all the cut price criminals (although I'm actually in favour of retaining Timlin notwithstanding his criminal misdemeanor).

 

[Jay_SUFC]

I think some are only only writing Timlin off because he's out of contract. IMO he has another season in him, and can cover other positions other than his own preferred one, be that starting or coming off the bench.

Regardless of next season, I wouldn't currently give him another contract after that though.

Shoot me down for this, but i'm in favour of SCP keeping with the same ethics as Phil Brown, (in terms of a smaller squad with bringing in quality players at a cost & not just buying the average division 1 or division 2 joe's to make the squad numbers up).

I think we have more than enough quality from our experienced youngsters, (from goalkeepers, to defenders / midfielders & forwards) to cover some temporary gaps through injury or suspension through most of of the season. Lets be honest, we are hardly gonna go on a massive cup run anyway, so we may as well focus on the automatic promotion place :smile:

I'm not writing him off, I'm just saying I think we should be looking for better players and therefore we shouldn't renew his contract.

As for being able to play in different positions, I think this season proved that he really shouldn't be cover for left back :nope:

 

[USAShrimper]

Tims needs and deserves to be offered a new contract. Have always seen the value of him and John White for us over the last few seasons. Yes, every player has a "sell by date" However, by keeping these 2 and their consistency and versatility, It gives CP the opportunity to focus on those few special new players we need.

 

[Shrimper]

I'd be happy to keep Timlin even just as a mentor to Yearwood. Invaluable experience.

 

[AndyT]

I'm not a great lover of assists stats, in truth and am in agreement with some above who also mention this.

They are very blurred, IMHO. For example, someone could run past six players, cross the ball and someone then heads it down for another player to toe poke home and the fella with the header gets the assist.

Plus, you could be creating loads of chances for other players and they keep missing them!

In general, stats can be useful, but I think judging a player on what you see is the only way to assess their worth and in Coxy and Dru's case, they are massively important to us going forward into next season.

 

[Barry.C]

Apparently on average for every 11 crosses got in a goal is scored > go figure? Thats why Managers get foamy about getting in as many as possible

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Timlin always gives 100%, but is that enough? Sorry, but you can't keep players simply because they try. For me there's an issue with Timlin quality wise. He constantly gives the ball away and is clearly not the player he once was. He also used to have a goal in him, but that's gone too. There is too much sentimentality in football. He's been fantastic for us, but there has to be better options.

Seems to have done Shrewsbury well

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Players who take corners and free kicks tend to be the ones who get most assists. Players like cox win the free kicks and corners too.

Big Sam asked journos how goals are most often to be scored and they looked blankly at him; his reply was simple......win corners as that was where the highest percentage of goal assists.