RAS BOL! The Yellow Vest Brigade

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Vive les Gilets Jaunes!

Surely the question is, which of those two do you wish to be in command? As we live in a democracy it's a choice between a democratically elected President and the street mob.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Thought the stuff on French news earflier (TF1 +TF3)was interesting too.There also a lot of disinfomation (fake news if you prefer ) about. J. was listening to France -Inter earlier and apparently they were saying the border was blocked,It wasn't.They were also saying that there was a heavy gilets jaunes presence in the region.There wasn't.

Yes, I've the strong impression there are lots of spurious figures being bandied about concerning the number of protesters.

 

[rigsby]

Surely the question is, which of those two do you wish to be in command? As we live in a democracy it's a choice between a democratically elected President and the street mob.

So you respect democracy do you?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

So you respect democracy do you?

Sure I do. That's why I would welcome a second and more informed referendum on Brexit,, now that people understand the real choices that confront the country, as oppsed to some of the make believe promises offered in 2016.

 

[rigsby]

Sure I do. That's why I would welcome a second and more informed referendum on Brexit,, now that people understand the real choices that confront the country, as oppsed to some of the make believe promises offered in 2016.

We have had years of champagne socialisim and now the same people want pick and mix democracy.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We have had years of champagne socialisim and now the same people want pick and mix democracy.

As far as the French protests are concerned, it's quite obvious that Macron has made a mistake by attempting to augment austerity ( by increasing petrol prices) at the same time as reducing taxes on the super rich.That is not socialism nor is Macron a socialist.

Even the Tories worked out they couldn't increase fuel prices in government.Remember Osborne's famous budget u-turn on increased petrol taxes? In the UK there has effectively been a freeze on petrol tax increases for the last 9 years.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

As far as the French protests are concerned, it's quite obvious that Macron has made a mistake by attempting to augment austerity ( by increasing petrol prices) at the same time as reducing taxes on the super rich.That is not socialism nor is Macron a socialist.

Even the Tories worked out they couldn't increase fuel prices in government.Remember Osborne's famous budget u-turn on increased petrol taxes? In the UK there has effectively been a freeze on petrol tax increases for the last 9 years.

I could be wrong but I think rigsby's comment refers more to Britain. If it does there is, of course, already a thread to discuss referenda and democracy associated with it.
Whilst there is an urgent need to drag France into the 21st century and address the spiralling debt problem, I agree with you that reducing taxes to the super rich was not a good idea and gave the wrong signals. It is a measure that will probably need withdrawing as well. Yep, gathering tax (even for purported green reasons) was always going to be sensitive but moves to help the environment are going to be necessary and they are likely to hurt us all..........at least in the short term.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

[QUOTE="yogi bear up the cagire, post: 2096843, member: 2917"]I could be wrong but I think rigsby's comment refers more to Britain. If it does there is, of course, already a thread to discuss referenda and democracy associated with it.
Whilst there is an urgent need to drag France into the 21st century and address the spiralling debt problem, I agree with you that reducing taxes to the super rich was not a good idea and gave the wrong signals. It is a measure that will probably need withdrawing as well. Yep, gathering tax (even for purported green reasons) was always going to be sensitive but moves to help the environment are going to be necessary and they are likely to hurt us all..........at least in the short term.[/QUOTE]

Yeah,I rather thought it did,

I see today's news is that the protesters want an increase in the SMIG (French minimum wage).

FWIW, IMO,the protests will fizzle out from next week after this weekend's Paris protests.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

[QUOTE="yogi bear up the cagire, post: 2096843, member: 2917"]I could be wrong but I think rigsby's comment refers more to Britain. If it does there is, of course, already a thread to discuss referenda and democracy associated with it.
Whilst there is an urgent need to drag France into the 21st century and address the spiralling debt problem, I agree with you that reducing taxes to the super rich was not a good idea and gave the wrong signals. It is a measure that will probably need withdrawing as well. Yep, gathering tax (even for purported green reasons) was always going to be sensitive but moves to help the environment are going to be necessary and they are likely to hurt us all..........at least in the short term.

Yeah,I rather thought it did,

I see today's news is that the protesters want an increase in the SMIG (French minimum wage).

FWIW, IMO,the protests will fizzle out from next week after this weekend's Paris protests.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, not early enough to save my fair in Toulouse this weekend, which I spent the morning loading up for. I've just received a texto informing me that it's been called off due to security concerns. It may be re-arranged for the weekend before Christmas.....not sure that's a good idea?

 

[rigsby]

You reap what you sow. You have spent the last 2 years encouraging remoaners to ignore democracy and Tangled has spent 45 years encouraging the IRA to ignore democracy and to use terrorism instead.

So crack on yellow vests, its what the French do best. There is plenty more of this to come all over Europe. That's why the people with the most wisdom, the politically astute and those that can see why the EU is destined to financial and political disaster voted out.....Fortunately for Britain that's the majority of the English.

 

[MK Shrimper]

You reap what you sow. You have spent the last 2 years encouraging remoaners to ignore democracy and Tangled has spent 45 years encouraging the IRA to ignore democracy and to use terrorism instead.

So crack on yellow vests, its what the French do best. There is plenty more of this to come all over Europe. That's why the people with the most wisdom, the politically astute and those that can see why the EU is destined to financial and political disaster voted out.....Fortunately for Britain that's the majority of the English.

I think that's called libel. How you get away with it repeatedly is beyond me.

 

[rigsby]

I think that's called libel. How you get away with it repeatedly is beyond me.

You have called for someone to shoot Donald Trump etc.....Or is that ok?

Tangled has courted attention when he shows support for the IRA and a United Ireland etc. Just like Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell that support prolonged the troubles......If you think thats liable then take me to court.

 

[MK Shrimper]

You have called for someone to shoot Donald Trump etc.....Or is that ok?

But I have never accused a zoner of sponsoring terrorism. The mods however thing that's ok so I don't know why you're singled out for special treatment. Because you add spice to the zone? A bit of tension?

It really is a mystery.

 

[rigsby]

But I have never accused a zoner of sponsoring terrorism. The mods however thing that's ok so I don't know why you're singled out for special treatment. Because you add spice to the zone? A bit of tension?

It really is a mystery.

Sponsoring is to finance someone, which I never said. In fact that could be seen as liable.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Sponsoring is to finance someone, which I never said. In fact that could be seen as liable.

I won't take you to court Rigsby I'm just going to put you on ignore and leave you there. I'm a fool to myself for reading your bile.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Macron was only elected because every party decided it was imperative that Le Pen not get in. Now that he is there, he has been proven to be an empty vessel, and purely a tool of the (((globalists))). 75% of French people approve of the Gilets Jaunes - Macron's ratings are closer to 25%. As Italy, Austria and Hungary have turned their backs on the globalist multicultural project, so will France. If the democratic will of the British people is similarly ignored (which seems increasingly likely), I hope we will have the gumption to take to the streets as the French have.

Yes,as long as their protests are non-violent. There was a big drop in their support here after last weekend's events in Paris,

Protest has always been rather different in France.I'm sure you'll remember that the French revolution started after an increase in the price of bread.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You got a source for that big guy? Or just anecdotal?

What I've seen/heard on French TV/radio news and also read in Midi Libre in the last couple of days.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...anges-gilets-jaunes-protests-president-macron

"Another poll by BVA found 70% of people thought the freeze in the fuel tax rises should mean the end of the protests."

 

[rigsby]

I won't take you to court Rigsby I'm just going to put you on ignore and leave you there. I'm a fool to myself for reading your bile.

Probably for the best. Hope you won’t accuse me of posting under another name like you did a few days ago. I never have, so we will leave it there.

 

[rigsby]

What I've seen/heard on French TV/radio news and also read in Midi Libre in the last couple of days.

So the globalist agenda driven MSM say there has been a big drop in support for people protesting against the globalist agenda driven MSM.

Can you see the problem with that?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So the globalist agenda driven MSM day there has been a big drop in support for people protesting against the globalist agenda driven MSM.

Can you see the problem with that?

Everybody's against fuel tax rises.That's obvious.When my wife spoke to a good friend of hers and recounted our experience at the local moterway turn-off (where we didn't have to pay for our toll charges)my wife's friend registered her approval.That gives you a good indication of the way some French people think.I was shocked by the mindless graffitti daubed all over the unmanned toll and the sight of a lot of protesters burning tyres at the next roundabout.That gives you a good take on the Britih attitude I think.