racist chanting

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Nov. 15 2004,14:20)]consider this if you have the misfortune to attend A+E at southend hospital and you wait 4 hours to see a doctor(like i did recently)and see that 75 percent of the people in front of you are not local and not paid taxes then you might consider the following

Thats one way of occupying the time in A&E, ask everyone around you how much tax they paid.

Or were you guessing ?

 

[Barry the dog]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,13:51)]

Quote[/b] (Yorkshire Bambi @ Nov. 15 2004,17:14)]Maybe we should imagine the shoe is on the other foot. Imagine we lived in Africa and had come over to this country. Are you saying you would die rather then seek treatment in a country you didn't pay taxes in.
I don't think so, some people don't no how lucky they are.

Sorry but there's no element of luck involved. My Grandparents, parents and I have all paid tax and NI contributions to fund a health service that provided healthcare to all British citizens.

The NHS (NATIONAL health service) was never intended to supply healthcare services to the world's needy. I can't stroll into any country in the world and expect treatment for free, I either need medical insurance
or an E111 so treatment costs can be charged back to the NHS.


I feel sorry for the plight of these people but maybe if their  govt's spent less on arms and were less corrupt they would be able to look after their own populations.

Exactly my point.

Imagine all those lefty idiots when they bring all these Africans over and won't be able to see a doctor for two weeks because an african family who have been here five minutes come first.

Charity starts at home and quite rightly so in my book.

 

[scooby80]

"the man who likes trains" needs to start speaking sense and not so much crap as he does. he needs to be correct with the facts firstly, then needs to grow up, as i pressume he is a miserable single/divorced lonely old man, who stands on theterraces chanting obscenities to kids! you never will kick racism out of football, but we should kick him out!!!

 

[Jai]

Of course what everybody seems to be forgetting here is that if it wasn't for migrant workers coming here in the 50's from India, there would be no NHS in the first place.

And also, if you look back far enough in time, are we not all descended from immigrants? Norman invasion and all that?

It makes me wonder whether some people went to school at all, regardless of whether it was the 60s or the 90s

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,13:51)]I feel sorry for the plight of these people but maybe if their  govt's spent less on arms

If money grabbing capitalist governments, manufacturers and gun runners didn't sell them in the first place it would help also.

However I do agree, indigenous populations should be left alone in the land of their origins without the influence of immigrants and outsiders,

So starting with Australia, New Zealand and America lets get repatriating......

 

[Barry the dog]

Quote[/b] (Jai @ Nov. 16 2004,14:01)]Of course what everybody seems to be forgetting here is that if it wasn't for migrant workers coming here in the 50's from India, there would be no NHS in the first place.

And also, if you look back far enough in time, are we not all descended from immigrants? Norman invasion and all that?

It makes me wonder whether some people went to school at all, regardless of whether it was the 60s or the 90s

What has going to school got too do with all this?

Like we have said before, its not the good immigrants that make the country a better place thats the problem. Its all the spongers and wasters that come over here and take advantage of our week lefty government.

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Barry the dog @ Nov. 16 2004,14:05)]What has going to school got too do with all this?

Like we have said before, its not the good immigrants that make the country a better place thats the problem. Its all the spongers and wasters that come over here and take advantage of our week lefty government.

It makes all the difference when it comes to spelling weak

 

[Barry the dog]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:14)]

Quote[/b] (Barry the dog @ Nov. 16 2004,14:05)]What has going to school got too do with all this?

Like we have said before, its not the good immigrants that make the country a better place thats the problem. Its all the spongers and wasters that come over here and take advantage of our week lefty government.

It makes all the difference when it comes to spelling weak

HA HA HA HA HA.

God you are a clever little tw*t aren't you.

Too be honest with you mate school didn't really do much for me but i am sure i earn about three times what you do as a bank clerk or something like that.

Maybe putting the lids on toothpastes in a factory would suit you down too thr ground.

 

[Wessex Blue]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:02)]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,13:51)]I feel sorry for the plight of these people but maybe if their  govt's spent less on arms

If money grabbing capitalist governments, manufacturers and gun runners didn't sell them in the first place it would help also.

However I do agree, indigenous populations should be left alone in the land of their origins without the influence of immigrants and outsiders,

So starting with Australia, New Zealand and America lets get repatriating......

I'm not referring to legal immigrants who've come to this country since the late 1940's and who have enriched the country, paid taxes and helped build the country's infrastructure up.

I'm talking about the immigrants who pay several thousand pounds to be smuggled into the UK on the back of a lorry. These people are unwanted, unwelcome and a strain on the social security, healthcare and housing of this country. BTW these people are European, Asian and African so I'm not dicsriminating against them on the basis of their ethnicity.
If I'm not mistaken this is the kind of immigrants TMWLT was referring to.

In a utopian world we'd be able to help everyone, unfortunately we live in the real world where resources aren't limitless and economics dictate what is and isn't possible. I'm sorry if some of you don't like my belief that UK taxpayers should come first, however it doesn't make me a fully paid up member of the Waffen SS.

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,14:19)]I'm talking about the immigrants who pay several thousand pounds to be smuggled into the UK on the back of a lorry. These people are unwanted, unwelcome and a strain on the social security, healthcare and housing of this country. BTW these people are European, Asian and African so I'm not dicsriminating against them on the basis of their ethnicity.
If I'm not mistaken this is the kind of immigrants TMWLT was referring to.

The people you refer to are Illegal immigrants, therefore are not entitled to NHS , social security or any other benefits.

 

[moneypit23]

Quote[/b] (Barry the dog @ Nov. 16 2004,14:05)]Like we have said before, its not the good immigrants that make the country a better place thats the problem. Its all the spongers and wasters that come over here and take advantage of our week lefty government.

You don't have to be an immigrant to be a sponger or a waster. Sadly we've got far to many of those who are "home grown".

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Barry the dog @ Nov. 16 2004,14:19)]Too be honest with you mate school didn't really do much for me but i am sure i earn about three times what you do as a bank clerk or something like that.

In all honesty I very much doubt it.......

 

[Wessex Blue]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:23)]The people you refer to are Illegal immigrants, therefore are not entitled to NHS , social security or any other benefits.

Are you seriously telling me that the local authority isn't obliged to house them and that if they're ill the NHS won't treat them?
Quite frankly I don't believe that for a moment.

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,14:28)]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:23)]The people you refer to are Illegal immigrants, therefore are not entitled to NHS , social security or any other benefits.

Are you seriously telling me that the local authority isn't obliged to house them and that if they're ill the NHS won't treat them?
Quite frankly I don't believe that for a moment.

Not if they do not have the relevant papers,

However if they are granted asylum its a different matter.

They are then allowed to stay until the hearing and the subsequent decision is made.

In the main illegal immigrants earn their keep working illegally for employers who would rather pay cash in hand, thus saving themselves money, and they do not worry about the employment regulations.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:38)]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,14:28)]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:23)]The people you refer to are Illegal immigrants, therefore are not entitled to NHS , social security or any other benefits.

Are you seriously telling me that the local authority isn't obliged to house them and that if they're ill the NHS won't treat them?
Quite frankly I don't believe that for a moment.

Not if they do not have the relevant papers,

However if they are granted asylum its a different matter.

They are then allowed to stay until the hearing and the subsequent decision is made.

In the main illegal immigrants earn their keep working illegally for employers who would rather pay cash in hand, thus saving themselves money, and they do not worry about the employment regulations.

Much as I'm firmly on the anti-racism side, I would think that hospitals would treat anyone who came through their doors on the basis of need - regardless of their legality... surely that was the basis on which the NHS was founded? Regardless of your position on immigration and asylum, surely no-one would advocate turning away someone in need of urgent medical attention.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not a 'lefty'... far from it I've been called Attila on here more than once

 

[scooby80]

im just glad that i dont live in southend, the influx of immigrants is growing and the locals are going to be run out. there are better places i could imagine living anyway!

 

[The 4th man]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Nov. 16 2004,14:51)]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:38)]

Quote[/b] (Wessex Blue @ Nov. 16 2004,14:28)]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Nov. 16 2004,14:23)]The people you refer to are Illegal immigrants, therefore are not entitled to NHS , social security or any other benefits.

Are you seriously telling me that the local authority isn't obliged to house them and that if they're ill the NHS won't treat them?
Quite frankly I don't believe that for a moment.

Not if they do not have the relevant papers,

However if they are granted asylum its a different matter.

They are then allowed to stay until the hearing and the subsequent decision is made.

In the main illegal immigrants earn their keep working illegally for employers who would rather pay cash in hand, thus saving themselves money, and they do not worry about the employment regulations.

Much as I'm firmly on the anti-racism side, I would think that hospitals would treat anyone who came through their doors on the basis of need - regardless of their legality... surely that was the basis on which the NHS was founded? Regardless of your position on immigration and asylum, surely no-one would advocate turning away someone in need of urgent medical attention.

I'd also like to point out that I'm not a 'lefty'... far from it I've been called Attila on here more than once  

Ah the harpocratic oath. thrice blessed , sssh before the caddicace.

Anyway, the influx of new culture and peoples is surly a good think. The prevention of dogma and stagnation of the aboriginal (and before some one gets smart it really does mean "native" latin dont ya know !) populace.

And for you town dwellers, you may not have noticed over the last 50 years(there have been far more considerable benifits , I thought an easier observation might help) but , nearly all your local takeaway places would never be classed as of being pure anglosaxon, and their proprioters have not caused a colapase into something resembling the last days of Gamoura or Rome !

And not all of them would have arrived au legal .

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Anyone remember the excellent "11 men against 11" which was a TV drama about a football club having everything go wrong which could? It was shown around 10 years ago and closely mirrored the goings on at Roots Hall at the time.

One of the sub-plots involved a group of racist football fans. They spotted a black man about to get into a BMW and so went to teach him a lesson, only to realise with horror half-way through that they were beating up City's star striker and City's only chance of staying up ("Oh no we've just relegated City"). When hearing about racist fans I always laugh and think of this scene.

 

[scooby80]

4th man, i have never heard so much cod's in all my life. spouting nonsense, you almost sounded as if you new what you were talking about for a minute.
phew! thank god you dont, because you really confused a lot of shrimpers with that useless fact number 624!

 

[HUMBLEPIE]

Quote[/b] (The 4th man @ Nov. 16 2004,15:07)]And for you town dwellers, you may not have noticed over the last 50 years(there have been far more considerable benifits , I thought an easier observation might help) but , nearly all your local takeaway places would never be classed as of being pure anglosaxon, and their proprioters have not caused a colapase into something resembling the last days of Gamoura or Rome !

And not all of them would have arrived au legal .

I'd hardly call Kebab,Chinese and Indian takeaways a benefit and yes I know a lot of illegals work in them for poor pay and living conditions....and the authorities do nothing about it.