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Racism rears its ugly head again in U21s match in Serbia

To be honest I haven't seen any footage of the alleged racism, only the comments from Danny Rose and the England team. Hopefully they can prove a clear offence from the crowd and Serbia get a severe punishment. The missiles being thrown was bad enough.

Also, I wish the media would report that Rose got a second yellow at the end, and not a 'sending off'. Just a minor annoyance... like when people say a penalty was 'missed' when it was in fact 'saved'.
 
Rose gets a second yeoolw and sent off but nothing happes to the thug Serbia players and coaches....FIFA and UEFA are scum. Fine Bentdner 80k for wearing sponsored pants yet fine a country 15k for racism....it stinks.
 
Serbia come out and say there was no racism, and blamed Rose. How in denial are they?

Video on the BBC article below taken from behind the tunnel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19976781
I know that clip on there was at the end, but you can clearly hear the "monkey" noises. If Rose could be sent off after the end, then the aggressive way that Serbian player runs over to him as he's walking off also merits similar action.

I hope the Serbs get the book thrown at them too, alas, I can't help but feel we will also be penalised.
 
Rose gets a second yeoolw and sent off but nothing happes to the thug Serbia players and coaches....FIFA and UEFA are scum. Fine Bentdner 80k for wearing sponsored pants yet fine a country 15k for racism....it stinks.


....yet.

They have been charged and if they dont get a serious punishment then UEFA will be a joke.

I know that clip on there was at the end, but you can clearly hear the "monkey" noises. If Rose could be sent off after the end, then the aggressive way that Serbian player runs over to him as he's walking off also merits similar action.

I hope the Serbs get the book thrown at them too, alas, I can't help but feel we will also be penalised.

We have also been charged for our conduct, which I assume is just because our players reacted, again if after the investigations we get punished will be a joke.
 
What happened is disgusting and whilst England being charged aswell seems absurd, I suppose it is correct in a "innocent until proven guilty" way. If the investigation is to be fair then the place to start is that there was a fracas, both sides were involved, then the causes are looked for.

If Serbia are not hit with severe punishments after the investigation then UEFA's anti-racism stance is a joke (along with FIFA). It makes you wonder what France's black players must think when the head of UEFA is a frenchman and take little if any action against racism. Incidents of racism seem to me (a casual observer) to be increasingly commonplace in the eastern block countries.

If no action is taken it would be good to see the FA and English clubs take some kind of stance against this, refuse to play in Serbia or even threaten to boycott competitions, unlikely I know, especially if it got the support of other european countries with a number of black players ie. Holland, belgium, France.
 
you'd never get a boycott out of the FA. a refusal of play, I could see, but a boycott would cut the FA out of the loop (and money) for years.
 
Scrap the fines, hit the clubs/countries where it hurts and ban them from competitions. When the money isn't coming in, they'll soon get the message and start dealing with the culprits at said clubs
 
Not in Serbia they wont. What you have to understand and please don't think I'm condoneing what has happened, but Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro and the like are light years behind Western Europe when it comes to multiculturism. The African, Carribbean, Asian, Indian Subcontinent and chinese, oriental cultures have barely touched central and eastern europe and the population of those cultures in these countries numbers less than a home gate for a first round tie in the Johnstone Paint Cup for at least half a dozen countries if not more. You can wander around Belgrade for example (and I have) and not see a black, brown or yellow face at all. If you do (and I didn't) it is no different than seeing a white face in rural China or India. And I might add you would get pretty much the same response which would be mild bewilderment and curiousity. See something different and you are going to stare and be a little curious, its human nature.

Ok, before you all or at least some of you start raining down on me about the shocking scenes on Tuesday lets take a look at what you are dealing with here. As I have written above, Serbia doesn't understand multicultuism mainly because of a lack of immigration from other countries outside of Europe and especially the areas of the world I have already highlighted above. I don't know why the old Yugoslavia wasn't high on the list of favorite destinations for immigrants, I might hazzard a guess at the weather, political situation, employment prospects and certainly more recently, what sort of benefits might be available but it has never seemed to attract a huge influx of immigrants looking for that better life we are so often told they are looking for. So seeing a black face, as it was for people in the late 50's early 60's in Britain,was an alien thing to them and not what they would normally expect to see in there, so to speak, backyard.

Like it or not and as much as we in the west of Europe now agree and accept that it's wrong, monkey chants and maybe chucking the odd banana isn't thought of as being racist as we now consider it to be. Be honest, and I hope you can be here, back in the 70's and 80's (for you who can remember that far back) were you really ever offended at monkey chants at black players unless of course they were playing for your team. Did you really care a jot if it offended the player? Can any of you really say you lost a moments sleep over the North Bank singing 'You Black B******' or jumping up and down like demented gibbons when Luther Blisset fouled one of ours or scored against us. For a couple of seasons we had more black players than any other clubs in the country but the racist chants (what we now consider rightly to be racist now) still rang out around The Hall, I don't hear much condemnation of that on this matter now.

The Balkan states aren't used to black or brown faces and skin tones and lets be brutally honest here, their football fans are only copying what we as football supporters were doing 25/30 years ago. The FA and Kick Racisim Out of Football will tell you that it still exsists in the modern game today but we seem to be getting outraged at what happened last Tuesday when we were doing the very same not so many years ago. Yes, yes, I know it kicked off at the end of the game and the crux of the arguement and abuse seems to be based on the treatment of Danny Rose. I have no doubt he was abused with racial intent and I dont blame him in the least for reacting, he is only human and it was a natural and justifiable reaction although is anyone really surprised that UEFA and the idiot FIFA president Blatter can't see any further than the end of their nose if they think his reaction was unsporting and vulgar in an inappropriate way. 30 years ago he might have been told to ignore it but in these enlightened times we live in I would have been more surprised if he hadn't have reacted. Personally I thought he was mimicking them as if to say 'Is that the best you can do' and giving it back with a monkey chant of his own to show he wasn't bothered (although I would bet he was hurting inside but was man and brave enough to not show it) fair play to the lad. But really, have we not seen punch-ups on the pitch before and actually egged them on? Come on, who never wanted Dave Cusack or Roy McDonough to give rough justice on occassion, did anyone really care when Pat Scully sent the Bury player into orbit, who felt the urge to be Outraged of Westcliff and write to the papers, we all like a bit of blood lust when it suits.

I agree, the racist stuff is outdated, wrong, has no place in sport let alone football, it shouldn't have happened, UEFA and FIFA should take action, blah, blah, blah, but what this really doesn't need is people jumping on the holier than thou bandwagon and making out we are whiter than white when it comes to this sort of thing. We were world beaters at racisim and fisticuffs not that long ago and I'm talking about the players as much as the fans here. Punish Serbia if that makes everyone happy but it wont address the problem and it certainly wont stop it. Try looking at their way of life, especially the male football supporting type. Passionate, loyal, diehard, over excitable, got a few beers in them, getting carried away, err, just like us. The only difference is we have been used to black faces for 50ish years, they haven't.
 
Great post GHG, however, if they want to take part in competitions such as this, as I see it, then they have to do something about it.
 
Another thing Grouty, is a history of an empire
The more multicultural nations (Apart from the new nations formed out of immigration) were those with an empire, they introduced people from their colonies back home and they also prompted immigration from thier colonies
Recently The Sebs were not tolerating people who had been their own countrymen a generation earlier.
The have a steeper learning curve than a other nations and its up to them to address it should they expect to be accepted
 
Also it's a bit of a lame excuse in my eyes. American media is everywhere in this global world, from films to TV. From Denzel Washington to Will Smith and beyond no doubt play on Serb cinema and TV and stars like Beyonce fills up their music charts.

Time to come into the 21st century or face sanctions until you do.
 
I can recall visiting Belgrade and Durbrovnik back in the mid-70's, when Tito was still running the show, in my Inter-rail days.Remember particularly, the train ride back from D to B, which was full of young men being called up for their compulsory military service.They were really up for it and I remember thinking,on what was effectively a troop train,the atmosphere would have been a whole lot glummer if the same thing had been happening in the UK.
The Serbs have since proved, with the genocide they practised on their own people back in the early 90's and their racist behaviour at recent International football matches, that they're not fit to play their part in 21st Century multicultural Europe.Not yet anyway.
 
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I can recall visiting Belgrade and Durbrovnik back in the mid-70's, when Tito was still running the show, in my Inter-rail days.Remember particularly, the train ride back from D to B, which was full of young men being called up for their compulsory military service.They were really up for it and I remember thinking,on what was effectively a troop train,the atmosphere would have been a whole lot glummer, if the same thing had been happening in the UK.
The Serbs have since proved, with the genocide they practised on their own people back in the early 90's and their racist behaviour at recent International football matches, that they're not fit to play their part in 21st Century multicultural Europe.Not yet anyway.
As a Serb I am quite curious about the genocide Serbs committed on their own people? I can only presume you are referring to what happened in Bosnia to the local Bosniaks who are by no means Serbs. That story is a lot more complex anyway and its in no way as black and white as its been portrayed.
Regarding racism, there was more of it shown in Liverpool's FA Cup games last season then in Serbian domestic football in the last couple of years (and pretty much all the clubs have at least a couple of black players).
What happened to Rose is absolutely horrific and a punishment needs to be issued! But for the FA to suggest long term bans in the same week they banned JT for four games for clear racist language during a game beggars belief.
I watched majority of the U21 game and could at no point hear chanting or monkey noises until the well documented brawl at the end. Serbian FA have actually uploaded a video on youtube of Danny Rose's every contact with the ball during the game and indeed nothing of the sort can be heard. The Serbian players started the brawl after reacting to Rose putting his middle finger up at the crowd. This obviously in no way excuses it and it certainly doesn't excuse the group of morons who started the monkey noises as Rose was walking off the pitch. However, after Lazio were fined £32,000 for racist chanting throughout the game I can't see Serbia getting anything worse then a fine and a few games without fans.
I believe there does need to be a ban of some sort, but UEFA needs to impose some kind of a rule where stadiums need to have CCTV installed in order for UEFA competitions to take part there. This would enable the domestic FA/ authorities to persecute the individuals so that a whole nation/ club supporters don't have to suffer for stupidity of the few.
Much more concerning for Serbia is the fact that a whole country of 7 million people is being judged on the actions of a few morons. Its obvious that there is a problem with racism, but is there a country in the world where this still isn't a problem?
 
As a Serb I am quite curious about the genocide Serbs committed on their own people? I can only presume you are referring to what happened in Bosnia to the local Bosniaks who are by no means Serbs. That story is a lot more complex anyway and its in no way as black and white as its been portrayed.
Regarding racism, there was more of it shown in Liverpool's FA Cup games last season then in Serbian domestic football in the last couple of years (and pretty much all the clubs have at least a couple of black players).
What happened to Rose is absolutely horrific and a punishment needs to be issued! But for the FA to suggest long term bans in the same week they banned JT for four games for clear racist language during a game beggars belief.
I watched majority of the U21 game and could at no point hear chanting or monkey noises until the well documented brawl at the end. Serbian FA have actually uploaded a video on youtube of Danny Rose's every contact with the ball during the game and indeed nothing of the sort can be heard. The Serbian players started the brawl after reacting to Rose putting his middle finger up at the crowd. This obviously in no way excuses it and it certainly doesn't excuse the group of morons who started the monkey noises as Rose was walking off the pitch. However, after Lazio were fined £32,000 for racist chanting throughout the game I can't see Serbia getting anything worse then a fine and a few games without fans.
I believe there does need to be a ban of some sort, but UEFA needs to impose some kind of a rule where stadiums need to have CCTV installed in order for UEFA competitions to take part there. This would enable the domestic FA/ authorities to persecute the individuals so that a whole nation/ club supporters don't have to suffer for stupidity of the few.
Much more concerning for Serbia is the fact that a whole country of 7 million people is being judged on the actions of a few morons. Its obvious that there is a problem with racism, but is there a country in the world where this still isn't a problem?
Well said Stoy, good post.
 
As a Serb I am quite curious about the genocide Serbs committed on their own people? I can only presume you are referring to what happened in Bosnia to the local Bosniaks who are by no means Serbs. That story is a lot more complex anyway and its in no way as black and white as its been portrayed.
Regarding racism, there was more of it shown in Liverpool's FA Cup games last season then in Serbian domestic football in the last couple of years (and pretty much all the clubs have at least a couple of black players).
What happened to Rose is absolutely horrific and a punishment needs to be issued! But for the FA to suggest long term bans in the same week they banned JT for four games for clear racist language during a game beggars belief.
I watched majority of the U21 game and could at no point hear chanting or monkey noises until the well documented brawl at the end. Serbian FA have actually uploaded a video on youtube of Danny Rose's every contact with the ball during the game and indeed nothing of the sort can be heard. The Serbian players started the brawl after reacting to Rose putting his middle finger up at the crowd. This obviously in no way excuses it and it certainly doesn't excuse the group of morons who started the monkey noises as Rose was walking off the pitch. However, after Lazio were fined £32,000 for racist chanting throughout the game I can't see Serbia getting anything worse then a fine and a few games without fans.
I believe there does need to be a ban of some sort, but UEFA needs to impose some kind of a rule where stadiums need to have CCTV installed in order for UEFA competitions to take part there. This would enable the domestic FA/ authorities to persecute the individuals so that a whole nation/ club supporters don't have to suffer for stupidity of the few.
Much more concerning for Serbia is the fact that a whole country of 7 million people is being judged on the actions of a few morons. Its obvious that there is a problem with racism, but is there a country in the world where this still isn't a problem?

Nice post, as outsiders with the only facts we have to go on are the videos from the final whistle and Rose's account of what happened, it is always good to try and get the full facts. It could have been a small section of the crowd that did it. I don't think we should judge a whole country based on what a minority did when emotions were running high, but having been fined in the past for racism, it is understandable.

I expect some fines to be handed out. If the Terry and Suarez incidents weren't so recent and hadn't been dragged out for so long, then maybe we wouldn't be talking about it as much, just a thought.
 
Nice post, as outsiders with the only facts we have to go on are the videos from the final whistle and Rose's account of what happened, it is always good to try and get the full facts. It could have been a small section of the crowd that did it. I don't think we should judge a whole country based on what a minority did when emotions were running high, but having been fined in the past for racism, it is understandable.

I expect some fines to be handed out. If the Terry and Suarez incidents weren't so recent and hadn't been dragged out for so long, then maybe we wouldn't be talking about it as much, just a thought.

I agree, unfortunately it seems that it's only getting worse after hearing about the apparent death threats to Marvin Sordell by Millwall fans. If found guilty, it will be interesting to see how FA will punish Millwall. They can't very well ban them from playing League football, so what else is there other then a fine or a couple of games without fans, which has all been done before to clubs without actually stopping racism?
 

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