Pullman you berk!

[OldBlueLady]

While I can't really condone the use of the cane, slipper, whatever as a form of physical punishment it certainly acted as a deterrent when in my schooldays. The added benefit in those days was that we did not have the compensation culture that is so prevalent these days. My old dad would never have dreamed of fronting up at the school protesting on my behalf. More likely he would have told me to stand on my own two feet.

I do realise that times do change and at risk of sounding like my parents, quite often they don't change for the better.

Or, probably as in the case of most around our generation, given you extra punishment for daring to complain you'd been hard done by. It's quite ridiculous these days.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Or, probably as in the case of most around our generation, given you extra punishment for daring to complain you'd been hard done by. It's quite ridiculous these days.

Indeed, I remember being caned for something I hadn't done, and complained to the old man. He said more fool you for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I seem to remember I had to spend a few hours on the Sunday morning cleaning the sodding car.

 

[Cricko]

I seem to remember I had to spend a few hours on the Sunday morning cleaning the moat and his armour .

Edited for accuracy purposes...

:angel:

 

[canveyshrimper]

Edited for accuracy purposes...

:angel:

At the same time as you were digging the bore hole. :finger::p

 

[osymandus]

While I can't really condone the use of the cane, slipper, whatever as a form of physical punishment it certainly acted as a deterrent when in my schooldays. The added benefit in those days was that we did not have the compensation culture that is so prevalent these days. My old dad would never have dreamed of fronting up at the school protesting on my behalf. More likely he would have told me to stand on my own two feet.

I do realise that times do change and at risk of sounding like my parents, quite often they don't change for the better.

That sways it back to the ruling my fear and people ignoring their rights .
The teaching profession probably needs a lot more ex lawyers to rip a[part the parents who read one little part of teh law shout the odds about compensation (and a culture less concerned with running education as a buisness and having targets)

Or maybe we just all need to watch teh film Freedom Writers ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Writers

 

[loz]

Yes, I'm afraid it is completely ludicrous and insulting. At a time when schools are being challenged to meet extremely testing targets related to writing, this kind of reaction makes it difficult to convince anyone to come in to support improving standards.

Until the DCSF/Government changes its policies then schools will continue to struggle to stay on top of an ever changing raft of white papers/directives of which CRB checking everyone that comes into schools is depriving them of their most natural of resources - the parents and grandparents of their pupils.

I don't think that's the case. I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as i understand it there's NO charge for registering volunteers, either to the individual applicant or to the organisation employing them. The burden of application now falls on the individual rather than the schoo/institution, so it doesn't create the mountain of paperwork that some people are worried about. And, unlike with the current CRB system, you don't need to pay for a seperate application for each post- your ISA status will follow you between posts (potentially then, a loss of revenue for the govt rather than a money-raising scheme)

the current debate over this shows, I'd suggest, that the Home Office (who are the lead on this scheme, not DCSF) haven't done a great job in communicating the new policy- but i don't think it's as much of a burden for people as everyone seems to think.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I can assure you that IS the case - every CRB check in the public sector has to be paid for, there are two levels, one cheaper than the other and less thorough.

 

[* ORM *]

I';ve been CRB checked - purely because my missus is a registered childminder (PM me for rates, etc). Nothing to fear and it's a bit of a fuss about nothing.

Ditto, ditto and ditto

 

[Hotman]

At that rate, that's the basic, not enhanced which is a prerequisite for anyone working with children on a daily basis. It also reveals very little and is only basically saying you have no criminal convictions....but let's not forget that criminal convictions can have nothing whatsoever to do with risk to children.

no - definetely enhanced, and wouldn't have it any other way, as you say it is a prerequisite and those checked are working with kids from 2 upwards. Have just checked one of the commercial partners websites and they charge it out at £50 for employees and £10 for volunteers, and I know they have a profit element built in. So, £64 is definetely profiteering by local authorities as stated earlier.

 

[OldBlueLady]

no - definetely enhanced, and wouldn't have it any other way, as you say it is a prerequisite and those checked are working with kids from 2 upwards. Have just checked one of the commercial partners websites and they charge it out at £50 for employees and £10 for volunteers, and I know they have a profit element built in. So, £64 is definetely profiteering by local authorities as stated earlier.

Ok, well if that's what your checks reveal, I'll accept what you say, I paid £55 for my son's one through college last October, that was for an enhanced. Having read through some of the most recent guidelines it does seem that in voluntary organisations there are ways of NOT having to pay for them, but certainly for anything within the public sector - schools, hospitals etc - you do

 

[Hotman]

Ok, well if that's what your checks reveal, I'll accept what you say, I paid £55 for my son's one through college last October, that was for an enhanced. Having read through some of the most recent guidelines it does seem that in voluntary organisations there are ways of NOT having to pay for them, but certainly for anything within the public sector - schools, hospitals etc - you do

absolutely, volunteers should be free if they are unpaid except for reasonable expenses. The £10 charged by one of our guys is therefore an admin charge, and probably indicative of the profit charged to workers.

So, the question is why were the school / local authority trying to charge a "volunteer" £64?

 

[loz]

I can assure you that IS the case - every CRB check in the public sector has to be paid for, there are two levels, one cheaper than the other and less thorough.

I'm talking about the new system, not the current CRB checks. True to say that people working in the public sector will need to have checks, and that those checks will attract the fee, but it will be free for volunteers, and there is at least the advantage that people won't need to keep reapplying when they change posts.