Pullman you berk!

[Pubey]

I have had my completed my disclosure Scotland because I sometimes help my wife out who runs a Girls Brigade company in Aberdeen.

As Jon said in a previous post, if you have nothing to hide why make such an issue out of it.

Didn’t Ian Huntley have involvement with the School that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went to? Would the outcome have been different had Ian Huntley been CRB checked?

I don't think Huntley had any prior convictions. However Huntley only became the caretaker..

"...after the previous caretaker was dismissed for having an inappropriate relationship with a female pupil." (according to wiki)

Huntley before Soham:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3313501.stm

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I'm partially responsible for implementing the new system. not sure whether that makes you feel better or worse...

Much better Lozzer. I know you're a bastion of propriety

 

[osymandus]

this has been completely misreported as well- the authors and other such people will only have to register if they visit a school or schools on a regular basis (once a month or more on a regular basis, or 3 times in a specific 30-day period), and will only have to pay the fee if they're being paid for the visits- volunteers can register for free.

current children's laureate and various others in the papers today accusing the likes of Pullman of pomposity, so clearly not a unanimous position on this in the literary camp.

Thats the point i was making the regularity of contact . Social interaction has worked very well for centuries however sadly these "individuals" are predators of the worst kind , but by that they will strike no matter the precautions in place. Every one has something to hide that others would not agree with so that statement is very very worrying

 

[londonblue]

I';ve been CRB checked - purely because my missus is a registered childminder (PM me for rates, etc). Nothing to fear and it's a bit of a fuss about nothing.

My mum has aswell, because she helps out at a local school. Can't see the big deal myself.

 

[londonblue]

Make that two. I'm happy to have measures like this in place which could prevent the horrendous possibility of child abuse. I'm in favour of a vetting system for people who want to have children, but that's probably just me.

As right wing as that is, you can't help think that certain people shouldn't be allowed to have kids...

 

[osymandus]

As right wing as that is, you can't help think that certain people shouldn't be allowed to have kids...

Myself and Mrs Osy have discussed this point a few times , however no matter how great the intelligence of teh person or persons deciding we would much rather leave it up to natural selection , humanity just ant got the right kind of smarts for that decision.

 

[Bluesmanager]

Does this include people who pick their kids up from school?

 

[canveyshrimper]

As right wing as that is, you can't help think that certain people shouldn't be allowed to have kids...

I agree, in fact some parents should be aborted in lieu of the foetus.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'm siding with Cricko and MK here, the point for me is that having a CRB check done costs SOMEONE money - whether it's you, the individual or whether it's the school or similar. If someone is coming in on a regular basis as a volunteer then, while I still disagree with the cost involved, I do agree that this is a sensible measure to take. However if someone is coming in in a professional capacity to address a gathering in front of those whose job it is to supervise the children, then no way do I think they should have to undergo a CRB check.

It's only necessary if there's a possibility that you, as an adult, will be left in a potentially vulnerable position and is as much to protect you as the child. That's why it is important in the case of child minders and partners, and anyone else who actually works with children.

We had the author Antony Lishak (Henry's Boots) in for the day recently, he was never alone with any child, though I have no idea whether he is CRB'd or not.

 

[Hotman]

It is absolutely ludicrious and insulting that respected authors are compared with scum like Ian Huntley and have to undergo a CRB check when they're standing in front of a school of 300 pupils giving a reading or talk.

Typical media frenzy that's turned every stranger into a possible paedophile. As a man who loves Chris Morris, do you not remember the paedo-scare episode of Brasseye?

Poor show Jon.

****ing hell MK, I know I don't agree with your politics, but this shows you to be a true ****. It is not 'ludicrious [sic] and insulting' to expect that a basic child protection procedure is adhered to.

Is it absolutely "ludicrious and insulting" that respected artists like Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter and Pete Townshend are compared with scum like Ian Huntley?

Once you let a rule slip for one, then next time the supply teacher "for one lesson" gets missed, then the guitar teacher, then the paedo pe teacher who watches the kids get changed...

When you finally unwrap your **** and have a child, you'll start to appreciate child protection.

 

[OldBlueLady]

****ing hell MK, I know I don't agree with your politics, but this shows you to be a true ****. It is not 'ludicrious and insulting' to expect that a basic child protection procedure is adhered to.

Is it absolutely ludicrious and insulting that respected artists like Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter and Pete Townshend are compared with scum like Ian Huntley?

When you finally unwrap your dick and have a child, you'll start to appreciate child protection.

Yes, I'm afraid it is completely ludicrous and insulting. At a time when schools are being challenged to meet extremely testing targets related to writing, this kind of reaction makes it difficult to convince anyone to come in to support improving standards.

Until the DCSF/Government changes its policies then schools will continue to struggle to stay on top of an ever changing raft of white papers/directives of which CRB checking everyone that comes into schools is depriving them of their most natural of resources - the parents and grandparents of their pupils.

 

[Hotman]

Yes, I'm afraid it is completely ludicrous and insulting. At a time when schools are being challenged to meet extremely challenging targets related to writing, this kind of reaction makes it difficult to convince anyone to come in to support improving standards.

Until the DCSF/Government changes its policies then schools will continue to struggle to stay on top of an ever changing raft of white papers/directives of which CRB checking everyone that comes into schools is depriving them of their most natural of resources - the parents and grandparents of their pupils.

I'm glad someone can spell ludicrous.

I agree that the CRB procedure is ridiculous, and should be something that you can "purchase" online, from a police station, or by post yourself. Almost like a passport.

The procedure (and regular changes) might be ridiculous, but the reason behind it is not. Surely you can see that?

 

[MK Shrimper]

****ing hell MK, I know I don't agree with your politics, but this shows you to be a true ****. It is not 'ludicrious [sic] and insulting' to expect that a basic child protection procedure is adhered to.

Is it absolutely "ludicrious and insulting" that respected artists like Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter and Pete Townshend are compared with scum like Ian Huntley?

Once you let a rule slip for one, then next time the supply teacher "for one lesson" gets missed, then the guitar teacher, then the paedo pe teacher who watches the kids get changed...

When you finally unwrap your **** and have a child, you'll start to appreciate child protection.

Nice. Obviously not read a single post and jumped to the usual mob frenzy mentality. As I said, how can an author like Pullman possibly interfere with a kid when he's addressing 300 of them in an assembly room full of teachers.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'm glad someone can spell ludicrous.

I agree that the CRB procedure is ridiculous, and should be something that you can "purchase" online, from a police station, or by post yourself. Almost like a passport.

The procedure (and regular changes) might be ridiculous, but the reason behind it is not. Surely you can see that?

I can, and as I've already said, it's as much about protecting yourself as the child. That is where I have a major issue with it though, in light of my own background and in the pre-CRB days, I've often been left on my own with one, two or even a smallish group of children while in as a parent volunteer. The teacher trusted me to be able to cope and of course, I did. We used to have grandparents come in to listen to children read, often those children who never get to read aloud at home as parents either don't have time or can't be bothered - and it's this that I am most sad about.

It still boils down to the environment, a visiting author is NOT going to be left alone with children therefore a CRB check is completely pointless.

 

[Hotman]

How can Ian Huntley possibly interfere with a kid when he's cleaning the floor?

It's not a "nice" mob reaction - instead it is analysing the difference between the procedure and the purpose.

Surely you must agree that this burden, even if applied to 100,000 innocent people, is worthwhile if it prevents one instance of child abuse?

 

[canveyshrimper]

How can Ian Huntley possibly interfere with a kid when he's cleaning the floor?

It's not a "nice" mob reaction - instead it is analysing the difference between the procedure and the cause.

Surely you must agree that this burden, even if applied to 100,000 innocent people, is worthwhile if it prevents one instance of child abuse?

The answer about Huntley is probably not. However as he was a caretaker at the school that Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman attended he was likely to be trusted by both girls.

 

[Hotman]

The answer about Huntley is probably not. However as he was a caretaker at the school that Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman attended he was likely to be trusted by both girls.

And an author will be looked up to by 300 pupils.

Putting these silly examples aside, I think that I should put forward more clearly where I am coming from here. If I could have my way, every one who would step within 10 miles of one of my children would be CRB enhanced checked.

In fact, everyone in the country should be. Any negative results that would prevent them from working with children should be immediate grounds for barring entry into a school / shopping centre / church / playground / youth centre etc.

We should do everything possible to prevent child abuse - I can't believe that some feel it is acceptable to refuse to take a CRB check?

 

[Cricko]

And an author will be looked up to by 300 pupils.

Putting these silly examples aside, I think that I should put forward more clearly w If I could have my way, every one who would step within 10 miles of one of my children would be CRB enhanced checked.

In fact, everyone in the country should be. Any negative results that would prevent them from working with children should be immediate grounds for barring entry into a school / shopping centre / church / playground / youth centre etc.

We should do everything possible to prevent child abuse - I can't believe that some feel it is acceptable to refuse to take a CRB check?

Right that will be all of your neighbours, oh and you must include all of your family in this ..everybody that goes near a school, everybody that walks along the seafront at the same time as you...Oh and Cinemas that will be a huge problem....Get real.

 

[osymandus]

And an author will be looked up to by 300 pupils.

Putting these silly examples aside, I think that I should put forward more clearly where I am coming from here. If I could have my way, every one who would step within 10 miles of one of my children would be CRB enhanced checked.

In fact, everyone in the country should be. Any negative results that would prevent them from working with children should be immediate grounds for barring entry into a school / shopping centre / church / playground / youth centre etc.

We should do everything possible to prevent child abuse - I can't believe that some feel it is acceptable to refuse to take a CRB check?

Because sadly human beings are cunning intelligent manipulative creatures , and this procedure to curtal the more deranged segment of society was created as a knee jerk reaction without (like some pieces of legislation) not propably thought out or amended .

We cannot be anything other then vigliant by ourselfs its not dependants upon legislation that will protect people we see as vunerable but ourselfs

 

[OldBlueLady]

Carl, if there was no cost involved then I wouldn't have an issue, but I paid out for my son to have one which the college never even submitted yet he was still sent out on work experience to schools. Explain that to me.

In my experience, they can take absolutely ages to process and if they come back with the name spelt wrongly then you start all over again. You also have to have a separate check done for each different place where they apply because they are non transferable, so for instance, I have one done as an Essex County Council employee at one school then have to have another one done as a school Governor at a different one. I think they also have to be renewed every 3 years as well still. It's just a way of adding revenue to a corrupt Government as far as I'm concerned and I'd rather have a comprehensive check done that was applicable to all working/voluntary practices.