Protest against Ron Martin?

[Interpol Shrimper]

So you're asking people to take to the streets based on rumour and heresay from some people on the internet?

southendkid hasn't said anything to suggest that he's buying anything that the club is saying. It reads like he's assessed the evidence in front of him and has come to a rational decision. If there is other info that he doesn't have, that I don't have, that others who don't see the need to protest don't have, then of course that could change people's minds. But for as long as we're dealing in speculation then you need to expect some people will not see the need to be radicalised.

I've no reason to think what I was told by TWO separate sources yesterday (pretty much the same story) is hearsay or simple internet Chinese Whispers. As GBj alludes to if things are as bad as they are alleged to be, then this will make the problems of last season seem miniscule...

Sometimes I fear it would be easier to "radicalise" the populus of SE Essex into Islamic Fundamentalism than it is to get them to sit up and realise the biggest professional sports club in the county might cease to be.

 

[Beefy]

Beefy, you've seen first hand what the man is capable of, yes? That should be all you need to know. Of course it's upto you what opinion you want to form, but IMO the best form of defense, is a strong offense. Why wait until we are summoned to court again? We're only heading in one direction at the moment, and believe me, it's not up.

As I said in the other thread, I think we've got a tiny chance of survival if we stick but practically none if we change. I don't see any realistical alternative to Ron Martin because I'm utterly convinced, based on various accounts and on our obvious cashflow problems, that Ron's finances are far worse than anyone thinks. He's got nowhere to go and the only chance he's got of surviving is to get us onsite at Fossetts Farm.

If Ron is forced out, for example after an Administration, then he has no reason to not charge rent. The Club could (would) get evicted and Sainsburys get their store.

It seems to me that as likely as we are to fold with Ron at the helm, we're even more likely if he's forced out.

 

[Beefy]

I've no reason to think what I was told by TWO separate sources yesterday (pretty much the same story) is hearsay or simple internet Chinese Whispers. As GBj alludes to if things are as bad as they are alleged to be, then this will make the problems of last season seem miniscule...

Sometimes I fear it would be easier to "radicalise" the populus of SE Essex into Islamic Fundamentalism than it is to get them to sit up and realise the biggest professional sports club in the county might cease to be.

I didn't say that what you've been told is wrong. I'm saying that for as long as it's not fact and for as long as things are ticking along ok on the surface then those who are blessed enough to hear these stories can't expect those of us who aren't to accept their word as gospel.

I can well imagine that the biggest professional sports club in the county might cease to be. I'm not sure how or why they won't be even more likely to cease to be if Ron Martin is forcibly removed.

 

[GBJ]

As I said in the other thread, I think we've got a tiny chance of survival if we stick but practically none if we change. I don't see any realistical alternative to Ron Martin because I'm utterly convinced, based on various accounts and on our obvious cashflow problems, that Ron's finances are far worse than anyone thinks. He's got nowhere to go and the only chance he's got of surviving is to get us onsite at Fossetts Farm.

If Ron is forced out, for example after an Administration, then he has no reason to not charge rent. The Club could (would) get evicted and Sainsburys get their store.


It seems to me that as likely as we are to fold with Ron at the helm, we're even more likely if he's forced out.

Maybe you're right Beefy. We may be dead without Ron. However, I'd rather take that chance than see him destroy the club, chasing his own personal gain.

 

[twobob]

I've no reason to think what I was told by TWO separate sources yesterday (pretty much the same story) is hearsay or simple internet Chinese Whispers. As GBj alludes to if things are as bad as they are alleged to be, then this will make the problems of last season seem miniscule...

Sometimes I fear it would be easier to "radicalise" the populus of SE Essex into Islamic Fundamentalism than it is to get them to sit up and realise the biggest professional sports club in the county might cease to be.

Please will some enlighten me as what these whispers are? It seems to me that we are to take to the streets on the basis that someone has heard something but the rest of have to take on faith that its bad.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Please will some enlighten me as what these whispers are? It seems to me that we are to take to the streets on the basis that someone has heard something but the rest of have to take on faith that its bad.

It's alleged that a number of cheques issued by the club have bounced, one of which given to Brush.

 

[Napster]

It's alleged that a number of cheques issued by the club have bounced, one of which given to Brush.

Let's not sweep it under the carpet.

 

[Beefy]

It's alleged that a number of cheques issued by the club have bounced, one of which given to Brush.

Wouldn't be surprising. The Club evidently doesn't have any cash, as has been discussed to death.

Hopefully the Sainsburys money is being rationed and hasn't been withdrawn.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

It's alleged that a number of cheques issued by the club have bounced, one of which given to Brush.

Amongst other interesting little titbits regarding payments that have not been made/are late...

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

From what I can gather from (the many) threads devoted to this, the rumours/accusations seem to be that a cheque to Brush bounced? is this the extent of the rumours? or does it go further? This is the first thing that fans / SZers need clarification on.

Secondly, the sources of these rumours/information. We're all well aware people cannot reveal sources incase people get in trouble etc. But from just how close to the people directly involved does it come? ie. from the likes of Tilly/Brush or the Board of Directors? or others involved such as employees, lawyers offices, accountants etc. Otherwise people will always doubt.

There is no doubt that we are in the financial quagmire, we have been for a long time, what exactly has changed from prior to this weekend to change our position.

 

[AustScullyPriorPowell]

Best way 2 protest is just don't turn up and spend the cash - simple !

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

The Trust's view point on the best way to safeguard our club (other than trying to iradicate Polio) would be interesting at these times.......

Maybe they're still metaphorically cleaning out the stable of "the only horse to back"?

 

[number11]

I've nothing against protesting, but surely for it to be well supported and meaningful then it should be done with a specific purpose and aim in mind.

Just 'getting rid of Ron' doesn't really address the issues that the ownership of different entities that form what we know as Southend United. (Ie Roots Hall, SUFC ltd, Fossetts Farm etc). If the protests were done having considered through various scenario's that would take effect if Ron was outsted then all well and good, and I'm sure there would be thousands willing and able to assist...... otherwise surely it will be little more than hot air and only one step up from just whinging about things on an internet forum.

The Trust's view point on the best way to safeguard our club (other than trying to iradicate Polio) would be interesting at these times.......

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

I'm utterly convinced, based on various accounts and on our obvious cashflow problems, that Ron's finances are far worse than anyone thinks. He's got nowhere to go and the only chance he's got of surviving is to get us onsite at Fossetts Farm.

Im sorry but i dont believe that. I dont know any businessman of today who would tie in their own personal accounts to their companys! My bet is even worse case scenario and all his companys were to go to the wall he would still have a lot more money than many of us will.

 

[Del Story]

Why do you need to ask? If you feel passionately about it then go out and protest. No one is stopping you.

There is not much point of me protesting on my own it will have no effect. What a stupid question!Am i not allowed to ask questions on this messageboard without having to explain myself?I can tell your definately one of Rons bum boys!!!!

 

[Beefy]

Im sorry but i dont believe that. I dont know any businessman of today who would tie in their own personal accounts to their companys! My bet is even worse case scenario and all his companys were to go to the wall he would still have a lot more money than many of us will.

Southend United don't have bank lending but his property development companies do and most banks will tie lending to personal securities.

 

[Beefy]

There is not much point of me protesting on my own it will have no effect. What a stupid question!Am i not allowed to ask questions on this messageboard without having to explain myself?I can tell your definately one of Rons bum boys!!!!

Brilliantly thought through post.

You're entitled to ask what you like. I'm entitled to ask why you feel the need. It's how this place works.

 

[Beefy]

I've nothing against protesting, but surely for it to be well supported and meaningful then it should be done with a specific purpose and aim in mind.

Just 'getting rid of Ron' doesn't really address the issues that the ownership of different entities that form what we know as Southend United. (Ie Roots Hall, SUFC ltd, Fossetts Farm etc). If the protests were done having considered through various scenario's that would take effect if Ron was outsted then all well and good, and I'm sure there would be thousands willing and able to assist...... otherwise surely it will be little more than hot air and only one step up from just whinging about things on an internet forum.

The Trust's view point on the best way to safeguard our club (other than trying to iradicate Polio) would be interesting at these times.......

Absolutely. Line-up someone to take-over who could take us forward (or even just keep us alive) or even better the sort of fan-ownership that I brought up a couple of months back. I'd be the first in line for that sort of protest.

 

[Beefy]

Amongst other interesting little titbits regarding payments that have not been made/are late...

Payments are going to be made late or not at all. We have crippling cashflow shortages. Whoever runs the Club is going to have that problem unless they have the personal wealth to pay our bills for us.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Payments are going to be made late or not at all.

Even ones where you would hope certain people had learned their lesson be defaulting on previously?