Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[rigsby]

So where would you draw the line? Peterborough is further north geographically than Coventry. Peterborough would play in the Southern league, Coventry in the northern. How does that make sense?

No need to draw a line. It would depend on who is coming up and who is going down. Coventry could be in either or. Its still a lot easier for Cov to go to Doncaster than it would for Plymouth.

The midlands clubs have it easy when it comes to travel. It may have changed due to different teams now in the 91 but a few years back I believe someone worked out that Derby would have the least amount of travel.

Lets say the EFL suddenly said due to the financial situation we will scrap L1 and L2 for next season and have a North and South to save overnight trips and boost attendances. Then have a think about our division.

We would have the following teams... Pompey, Ipswich, Col U, Orient, Gillingham, Cambridge, Crawley, Wimbledon and Stevenage.....Some great days out there for a start.

Then add Oxford, Swindon, Bristol R, Exeter, Plymouth, Newport, Wycombe , Cheltenham Northampton, MK, and with us that makes 20

So Cov and Peterborough come into the south which leaves 2 more clubs from the midlands....Looks like Walsall and Burton

I would actually be looking forward to div 3 South.....How about you?

 

[Tommy2holes]

I'd love to rationalise the bottom two divisions.

Make for better gates and better away days.

It also adds a little extra to the cup games where you get to travel further for certain games.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

A friend of mine suggested that you cancel the season now, allow all those clubs in the automatic promotion positions to go up, but no relegation. You then play next season out but have an appropriate amount of relegation places in each division to restore the numbers again for the following season.

An interesting idea to throw into the mix, but can still see it open to legal challenge by those close to the automatics.

Why no relegation if you allow teams to go up

 

[Medway Blue]

Why no relegation if you allow teams to go up

Because no other club will give a **** about whether or not relegations stand, but they will sue arses off if they are not promoted.

Nobody should really give a damn about promotions and relegations at the moment. There are much bigger things to think about, yet other clubs are still just thinking about their back pockets. That’s the only reason anyone gives a damn anymore about what happens at the end of this season. Money. And the matter of money will move clubs to sue. And the threat of legal action is the only thing that could push the FA or the EFL to prolong the season or whatever it is they are planning to do. Anyone mentioning “integrity of the competition” is mental. Nobody in a position of power or running a football club cares about “integrity of the competition”, despite what they say. It’s all about money. The whole thing stinks.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Because no other club will give a **** about whether or not relegations stand, but they will sue arses off if they are not promoted.

Nobody should really give a damn about promotions and relegations at the moment. There are much bigger things to think about, yet other clubs are still just thinking about their back pockets. That’s the only reason anyone gives a damn anymore about what happens at the end of this season. Money. And the matter of money will move clubs to sue. And the threat of legal action is the only thing that could push the FA or the EFL to prolong the season or whatever it is they are planning to do. Anyone mentioning “integrity of the competition” is mental. Nobody in a position of power or running a football club cares about “integrity of the competition”, despite what they say. It’s all about money. The whole thing stinks.

If we are just discussing it without whether anyone should care nor not about it. I was just wondering on the logic for allowing promotion but not relegation. You cannot have one rule for the top in the division regarding positions etc and not those at the bottom

as for legal cases in my mind that will happen somewhere as it is always about money now be that right or wrong it’s just the way things are.

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

I don’t think you can have read my original introduction of this thread which suggests (almost) exactly this ! With some detail.
I’ve been reading all the discussion and possible alternatives but remain convinced that this is the best way forwards.
Whatever gets decided,legal challenges cannot be ruled out.

Apologies - hadn’t read it when I wrote my reply, but have now. It’s not ideal but then none of the solutions will get universal approval.

 

[Fairport]

I am sure other people remember Bishop Stortford based in Hertfordshire played in the Conference North about ten years ago.

Yes indeed, every season clubs such as Chelmsford, St Albans City, Braintree and Hemel Hempstead worry that this could happen to them although I understand that the League gives them some extra funding for travel.

 

[Boreham Blue]

Clearly voiding is a tidy solution but I suspect the authorities will be very minded about legal challenge as the consequences of that all sit with them. I guess the appeal of the promotion and no relegation is that they remove challenge from all those who would be relegated (let’s face it we are as good as down but as not mathematically Ron would no doubt sue). All the promoted would be content and so challenge limited to those missing out who could make a case.

 

[Stuart W]

I know this has been discussed to some extent on earlier threads but I haven’t managed to trace back to read all the views expressed,so apologies if this constitutes too much repetition.
It’s now fair to say that this season cannot get finished (even games behind closed doors is unacceptable).
Fortunately,the current league tables (do consult them) lend themselves to reasonably fair conclusions:
1. Only Liverpool and Barrow were far enough ahead to be crowned Champions.
2.No promotion via play-offs—no team in any division had even definitely secured a play-off place.
3.No relegation—no team in any division,not even us,Bolton,Stevenage were mathematically down.
4.Promotion for all teams clearly(and less clearly) sitting in an automatic promotion place :

Leeds
WBA

Coventry
Rotherham

Crewe
Swindon
Plymouth

Barrow

With Bury gone,this keeps it at 92 clubs for next season...with a
22–24–24–22 set-up. That could easily be restored to the current 20–24–24–24 situation in the 2020/21 season eg 4 down/2 up Premiership/Championship.

I’d be pleased to hear whether others agree that this reasonably obvious solution is a fair one...

I would find your proposal more credible if your favourites West Bromich Albion were currently in a play-off position and you still considered it a good idea. Somehow I think you wouldn't........

 

[Zeuss]

I would find your proposal more credible if your favourites West Bromich Albion were currently in a play-off position and you still considered it a good idea. Somehow I think you wouldn't........

You’d be wrong ,though,Stuart. WBA’s promotion,like that of Leeds and all the others whose performances have earned them one of the top positions, is entirely coincidental to what clearly seems to be the obvious and fairest solution.
And wrong again,WBA are not my favourites—-Southend United are ! Like for so many other fans,they are my 2nd team. Their widespread popularity amongst football followers stems from the fact that they’ve always been a well-run club who have tried ,except under Pulis (despite some success ,hated by their fans), to play attractive football.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

You’d be wrong ,though,Stuart. WBA’s promotion,like that of Leeds and all the others whose performances have earned them one of the top positions, is entirely coincidental to what clearly seems to be the obvious and fairest solution.
And wrong again,WBA are not my favourites—-Southend United are ! Like for so many other fans,they are my 2nd team. Their widespread popularity amongst football followers stems from the fact that they’ve always been a well-run club who have tried ,except under Pulis (despite some success ,hated by their fans), to play attractive football.

Thozse teams int he playoff positions have earned their shot too havent the, similarly those at the bottom have earned relegation.

if you rewardingfor the performance you have to do it across the board

 

[Zeuss]

Thozse teams int he playoff positions have earned their shot too havent the, similarly those at the bottom have earned relegation.

if you rewardingfor the performance you have to do it across the board

No ! You need to re-read my original post and study the league tables more closely. The promotion positions -showing what teams have already achieved- are clearcut (only relatively so in League 2), in complete contrast there are literally dozens of teams who could have ended up in the play-offs.Granted some eg :Bolton,us ,Stevenage,Wigan would have a lucky escape, but otherwise very fair.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

No ! You need to re-read my original post and study the league tables more closely. The promotion positions -showing what teams have already achieved- are clearcut (only relatively so in League 2), in complete contrast there are literally dozens of teams who could have ended up in the play-offs.Granted some eg :Bolton,us ,Stevenage,Wigan would have a lucky escape, but otherwise very fair.

I did read your post and understand what your saying and where you come from, but for me you cant give some promotion and then not relegate some. Has to be all or nothing for me thats to keep the integrity of the league.

I dont agree with it but if yoe end the season as is you can average the points and do a full promotion and relegation on that, my preferred option is to play the season out and start next season late and remove the winter break from the prem to ensure all gets played, maybe we would have to remove a cup competition too for one season.

like i say get what your saying respect that opinion but just saying for me i dont think that is the right way to go

 

[Suffolk Blue]

I did read your post and understand what your saying and where you come from, but for me you cant give some promotion and then not relegate some. Has to be all or nothing for me thats to keep the integrity of the league.

I dont agree with it but if yoe end the season as is you can average the points and do a full promotion and relegation on that, my preferred option is to play the season out and start next season late and remove the winter break from the prem to ensure all gets played, maybe we would have to remove a cup competition too for one season.

like i say get what your saying respect that opinion but just saying for me i dont think that is the right way to go

I'd have to agree with Westcliff. If you start from a position of minimising cases of discontent with the chosen solution then you have to find a way of keeping the biggest losers in that scenario happy.

In my view that's:

• Liverpool (deserved Champions)
• Man City and Leicester (almost certainly Champions League qualifiers)
• Aston Villa (could reasonably win their game in hand and escape relegation)
• Leeds, West Brom (fairly good bets for automatic promotion)
• Charlton (they'd believe they have a good chance of escaping relegation)
• Coventry (7 points clear and a game in hand make them almost certain of promotion
• possibly the current top 3 in League 2 (not quite so clear here).

Stop the season as it is now with no relegations and a revamped 20-21 season and you reduce the risk of litigtion and long-running discontent to a minimum. You can mitigate that further by giving all EFL clubs some of that lovely Premier League cash.

Oh, and completely undeservedly, we get to stay in League One :)

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

I'd have to agree with Westcliff. If you start from a position of minimising cases of discontent with the chosen solution then you have to find a way of keeping the biggest losers in that scenario happy.

In my view that's:

• Liverpool (deserved Champions)
• Man City and Leicester (almost certainly Champions League qualifiers)
• Aston Villa (could reasonably win their game in hand and escape relegation)
• Leeds, West Brom (fairly good bets for automatic promotion)
• Charlton (they'd believe they have a good chance of escaping relegation)
• Coventry (7 points clear and a game in hand make them almost certain of promotion
• possibly the current top 3 in League 2 (not quite so clear here).

Stop the season as it is now with no relegations and a revamped 20-21 season and you reduce the risk of litigtion and long-running discontent to a minimum. You can mitigate that further by giving all EFL clubs some of that lovely Premier League cash.

Oh, and completely undeservedly, we get to stay in League One :)

This guy talk sense ☝?

 

[rigsby]

If the leagues are worried about litigation, which i personal don't see much success for anyone going down that road. Then time is the leagues friend. The longer this goes on the more it will go over to"Next season has to be saved"

If this one is cancelled it saves any arguments.....It never happened. If you start rewarding promotions or relegations on probability then that will open up a big bun fight.

Finishing leagues behind closed doors with different squads etc is not the answer or even fair depending on who you have already played etc.

As for 20/21...Talk of playing each other only once and no cups etc will cause bigger financial problems that we already have.

Let the organisers of the Champions league decide who will play in Europe next season. If they want to replay their competition or award the teams like Leicester a place then thats up to them.....If the big boys don't like their decision let then go to court in Europe whilst the rest of us get on with saving our clubs.

 

[OldBlueLady]

If this one is cancelled it saves any arguments.....It never happened. If you start rewarding promotions or relegations on probability then that will open up a big bun fight.

Yep, and that should also mean Bury come back in!

 

[Westcliff DGS]

If the leagues are worried about litigation, which i personal don't see much success for anyone going down that road. Then time is the leagues friend. The longer this goes on the more it will go over to"Next season has to be saved"

If this one is cancelled it saves any arguments.....It never happened. If you start rewarding promotions or relegations on probability then that will open up a big bun fight.

Finishing leagues behind closed doors with different squads etc is not the answer or even fair depending on who you have already played etc.

As for 20/21...Talk of playing each other only once and no cups etc will cause bigger financial problems that we already have.

Let the organisers of the Champions league decide who will play in Europe next season. If they want to replay their competition or award the teams like Leicester a place then thats up to them.....If the big boys don't like their decision let then go to court in Europe whilst the rest of us get on with saving our clubs.

But the do you cancel FFP for the season? Harsh to punish someone if the season never took place.

Leeds are in big trouble on FFP if they do not go up, so should they bu punished.

It isnt just the biggest losers as in those for relegation looking at legal actions, those in the playoffs are too. its a mess. If you end the season with any sort of points total i think you have to do promotion and relegation.

BUt as you say the longer it goes then the more the league hold the upper hand, although i still wouldn’t rule out some clubs taking action and potentially forcing the EFL into an awkward place financially or forcing a reshaping of the structure and how it is run.

it is a situation that is probably a one off everyone needs to see sense, clubs will look from their angle, all the different dassociations (EFL, PFA, gains associations etc) have their own agendas, but for once they need to put that aside and come to an agreement.

UEFA says they want leagues finished even if next season starts in October, so everyone needs to look at all options and be agreed on all of those potential options even if it is to the detriment of their own club, hard it maybe but common sense has to prevail

 

[tallboyblue]

Thanks to this bug the season has been ruined and whatever combination the EFL come up with to continue will not make it any better. Forget it and look forward to the next one whenever that will be.

 

[David Icke]

Could the two seasons be merged? 2019/20 merges with 2020/21 to form one giant season of 92 games? The 2019/21 season. That way you still gain from the position you’re in if you’re at the top, and are rightly disadvantaged if you’re currently at the bottom.