Prem loanees are killing us.

[onceknownasrab]

Hurst is not a striker, first and foremost. He has played in an advanced midfield role, where he is still expected to get out wide and put the crosses in. That in no way makes him a striker. Nor was the expectancy upon him to produce the goals total that he has delivered thus far.

Barry Corr has five assists, a league record for him, and six goals. If as a team we have to play one up front, that person needs to chip in more than that. The lone striker has a daunting and often exhausting role to play. He has to be an outlet, often come deep, be the link between the front and the advancing midfield and have the energy to get himself into scoring positions as third final third is breached. That takes energy, pace and mobility. So for all the will in the world how is BBBC the player for that role?

So we have no other players to fulfill that role? Then adopt and adapt. The system worked well because of the teams high energy and total commitment. A squad the size of ours was never going to maintain that level for a whole season. We have players out there who are visibly physically less able than they were just six weeks ago.

If BBBc is the answer then this system is not at this stage of the season unless fresh legs are brought in. Whatever gives something has to or it will be a disaster looming.

 

[Jam_Man]

If Hurst isnt an out and ou striker and still at the top of the scorers and assists table maybe Barry Corr playing in that lone striker role is allowing him to do that....

 

[onceknownasrab]

If Hurst isnt an out and ou striker and still at the top of the scorers and assists table maybe Barry Corr playing in that lone striker role is allowing him to do that....

With all due respect we could swap Corr out for an extra midfielder and play 4-6 and let Hurst get forward. We do not have a striker cutting the mustard and I seriously doubt we would miss one all that much. Facetious offering maybe but not so far from the truth.

 

[Jam_Man]

With all due respect we could swap Corr out for an extra midfielder and play 4-6 and let Hurst get forward. We do not have a striker cutting the mustard and I seriously doubt we would miss one all that much. Facetious offering maybe but not so far from the truth.

Corr is the only player with the physical presence to lead the line and play that lone striker role as he does. The fact he is our second highest provider in assists after Hurst shows he plays a part.

Why arent any of our midfielders showing on the assists table even when we have one of the top scorers in the league in our team ? You only need 3 assists to get on there.

We have White and Corr on 5, Coker on 3 with Hurst at the top.

So what do we do? Drop Hurst and suggest dropping Corr as well.

 

[onceknownasrab]

Corr is the only player with the physical presence to lead the line and play that lone striker role as he does. The fact he is our second highest provider in assists after Hurst shows he plays a part.

Actually it shows he has been involved in 33 league games this season, starting 28 of them. It is an unknown factor as to whether anybody else would have more goals or assists given his amount of pitch time.

If Bentley plays a blinder between now and the end of the season, the defence finds form and the mids magically get energy regeneration, we will still be short of goals from the front. Just as we were when all was going well. I do not jibe on about Barnard or Eastwood as they have not had the same opportunities. Corr has been given the chances and found wanting. He has not earned his shoe-in team status.

 

[Jam_Man]

Depends on how you measure him. If its just goals then no he hasn't delivered.

If its about leading the line and providing chances for others then you can certainly argue a case he has, we have a player that isnt an out and out striker who is 5th in the league scorers table.

As I said he hasn't that many goals, but the midfielders haven't any assists either so why aren't we focussing on that ? Obviously that could be a chicken and egg situation. No assists because he is missing them, or he isn't getting enough chances from he midfield. (It certainly hasnt stopped the likes of John White getting 5 assists or Coker getting 3).

Or maybe its because he isnt able to lead the line and get on the end of everything because he is just one man, and that may be why PB has looked at playing two up front to get the strikers more involved, but then drops our main provider.

 

[mrsblue]

Depends on how you measure him. If its just goals then no he hasn't delivered.

If its about leading the line and providing chances for others then you can certainly argue a case he has.

As I said he hasn't that many goals, but the midfielders haven't any assists either so why arent we focussing on that ? Obviously that could be a chicken and egg situation. No assists because he is missing them, or he isnt getting enough chances fromt he midfield.

I posted on here recently stats with or without Corr in the team,Without him the team in 60 games scored nearly 30 goals more and winning far more points,The team with him has become too one dimensional .

Corr has suffered because he needs a strike partner with pace.

 

[Southend Pier]

Depends on how you measure him. If its just goals then no he hasn't delivered.

If its about leading the line and providing chances for others then you can certainly argue a case he has, we have a player that isnt an out and out striker who is 5th in the league scorers table.

As I said he hasn't that many goals, but the midfielders haven't any assists either so why aren't we focussing on that ? Obviously that could be a chicken and egg situation. No assists because he is missing them, or he isn't getting enough chances from he midfield. Or maybe its because he isnt able to lead the line and get on the end of everything because he is just one man, and that may be why PB has looked at playing two up front to get the strikers more involved, but then drops our main provider.

That final word. irresisitible isn't it.:winking:

 

[Jam_Man]

I posted on here recently stats with or without Corr in the team,Without him the team in 60 games scored nearly 30 goals more and winning far more points,The team with him has become too one dimensional .

Corr has suffered because he needs a strike partner with pace.

Corr has suffered because he doesnt have a strike partner at all.

 

[mrsblue]

That final word. irresisitible isn't it.:winking:

Jam will never give in coz he is correct:winking:

 

[Jam_Man]

That final word. irresisitible isn't it.:winking:

We are having a discussion, the point is to reply.

If you wish to join the debate feel free to do so, otherwise please stop with this petty sniping, its getting very tiresome.

Jam will never give in coz he is correct:winking:

Same as you wont give up on the same old scapegoats :smile:

 

[onceknownasrab]

Depends on how you measure him. If its just goals then no he hasn't delivered.

If its about leading the line and providing chances for others then you can certainly argue a case he has, we have a player that isnt an out and out striker who is 5th in the league scorers table.

As I said he hasn't that many goals, but the midfielders haven't any assists either so why aren't we focussing on that ? Obviously that could be a chicken and egg situation. No assists because he is missing them, or he isn't getting enough chances from he midfield. Or maybe its because he isnt able to lead the line and get on the end of everything because he is just one man, and that may be why PB has looked at playing two up front to get the strikers more involved, but then drops our main provider.

I am not even suggesting you are wrong. I think my main concern, although I admit to not being BBBC's biggest fan, is that he clearly has not done enough, has missed plenty of chances that should have at the very least stung the keepers hands and yet retains his place despite everything.

I just want to see PB be a little braver to get us moving on. I like pace up front but at Southend over the years we have had plenty of good goal scorers that were not blessed with that extra half a yard. I do feel though that if Corr is to play it has to be 2 up front. It has not worked so well for us up to now but I feel if we persevere with it fortunes may change. Just not Corr and Barney as they are both hold up players. Maybe Barney and Williams? Barney and a forward playing Payne?

 

[Jam_Man]

My preference would be to play Payne/Corr/Hurst.

Thats surely got to be more productive than we have seen. Might be harsh on Straker though as from radio he seemed to have a few decent moments yesterday.

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

Theo Robinson looked like he was half cheater half human at times but he didn't really do the business, it's all about finding a good combination, play to your strengths, too often we lose the plot due to lack of intelligence from our players imo

 

[Angell Delight]

This thread is absolutely ridiculous, it's plain and simple where our problems lie. Whereas 6 weeks ago we were rock solid at the back we are now conceding goals alarmingly, this is due to injuries to key players (chiefly Prosser). As for some blaming the likes of Lee Barnard I'm shocked to be honest, have we not had him before? Have we completely forgotten what his game is all about? Barnard is a goalscorer, a fox in the box. He's not a Freddy of old who used to often create for himself, he needs service (as does Corr). Without service he's unlikely to score, not rocket science. From the way some people are talking on here it's as if they think we've signed a below-par Messi! Hurst is somewhat out of form at the moment, that was to be expected at some point after a phenomenal run. THAT (ie. the lack of good service) and the issues we have at the back are the reasons for our poor record recently.

I read on another thread of some supporters suggesting we sack Brown, dear me. I was never his biggest fan and I wasn't happy with his appointment but get real guys he's done a fantastic job with what he's got here. If you want a good example of how absentees can affect a side's form then take West Ham (spit) - they looked nailed-on for the Championship a few weeks ago but got their key players back and are now top half (unfortunately). No different here. HUGE over-reaction as usual......

P.S. mrsblue how can you say Woodrow played every game? He started very little and got maybe 10 mins at the end of most games - why do you think Fulham called him back?!!!

 

[Jam_Man]

Angell Delight is Jam_Man and I claim my £5.

Spot on.

 

[mrsblue]

From memory,

Woodrow's last few appearances(about 4 games I think)his pitch time dried up with only fleeting minutes on the pitch this factor IMO upset Fulham,Before his final few games his pitch time was excessive to say the least with even Phil pointing this out he had gave the lad plenty of games and was surprised Fulham recalled him.

 

[Southend Pier]

The loan possibility may well be M'voto

 

[Southend Pier]

We are having a discussion, the point is to reply.

If you wish to join the debate feel free to do so, otherwise please stop with this petty sniping, its getting very tiresome.



Same as you wont give up on the same old scapegoats :smile:

apologies

 

[Ricey]

The loan possibility may well be M'voto

That's the only viable name I could come up with as well last night. Couldn't imagine it being Dervite because he is a first team regular for Charlton.