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[Hooly]

In all seriousness, I really do think that only people who have guided Southend United into the Premier League on Football Manager 2008 should be able to pass comment on tactics and team selection.

Quite right Beefy. I've never owned a copy of FM anything which I now realise means that I shouldn't actually be allowed in the ground.

What a pile of arrogant drivel some people have come out with.
- Most of the league footballers I see on TV can hardly put 2 sentences together so I suspect they don't understand the nuances of the cattanacio defence & they're far better players than the self appointed football experts on here. So if they don't get it, how are you experts able to know so much better.
- When I went to school way back the thickest kids in the class were the better footballers. FACT. Not saying you experts are thick so no need to take offence. But (unless your name's Dowie) you don't have to be a rocket scientist or at the other end of the scale once had a trial for Bighead United Under 5's, to understand 4-4-2 & that a we can't play a diamond formation to save our lives.
- I once had a prolongued disagreement on SZ with a so called expert, who told me I couldn't see the work a certain player was doing & he could because he'd played youth football to X Factor level & had a trial for Britains Got Talent United. No names, eh Scriv (doh!). My argument was that I'd seen enough sh!t players in (then) 33 years of watching Southend to recognise one. But no, that wasn't right I was told & I'd see how wrong I was. I was a footballing idiot (well that bit was right) and shouldn't be allowed to have a view as I'd not played the game. The player in question? GRAEME JONES. I rest my case.

My suggestion is that as this Shrimperzone thingy is apparently a "FANS" forum that all the experts get together & form their own website where they can discuss, if they can see the screen with their heads so far up their own arses, how they could've been the new Gordon Connelly but for their club foot.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Hooly - not going to quote it, but that's brilliant! :clap:

 

[Hooly]

Hooly - not going to quote it, but that's brilliant! :clap:

Ta OBL. Someone comes up with this "I know more than you because I could've been a contender" claptrap every now & again, sometimes probably as a fishing exercise as they've nothing better in their lives. But then you get the hangers on who actually believe they really do know more.

My argument is also that if they did really know that much they'd either
1. have been or be playing professionally (obviously excluding those with the club foot),
2. managing or at least coaching pro or semi pro (and no FM 2008 doesn't count),
3. supporting Manure (as if you know so much about football how can you put up with the cr@p Southend play on occasions).

And if they were most of 1. or 2. they'd likely not be pontificating on here as they'd be otherwise engaged on a Saturday afternoon.

One of the "better than you" posters really doesn't surprise me at all though & I really think he believes it. Sad!

 

[Dave Smiths Love Child]

I donot think you need to play football to understand one thing Ron Martin is the most fortunate chairman to have run this club, firstly he didnot know anything about football, as was his pursuit of other managers, before settling on Tilson who got on with the job in a caretaker role and watched Martin's choices go by one after the other and then one lucky transfer when no one was interested in the lower or prepared to take the gamble on Freddy Eastwood ( How we now realise what a player he was when wearing the blue shirt)

So its all about opinions and the need to play football is of no concern when making a written opinion

 

[Desert Shrimper]

I donot think you need to play football to understand one thing Ron Martin is the most fortunate chairman to have run this club, firstly he didnot know anything about football, as was his pursuit of other managers, before settling on Tilson who got on with the job in a caretaker role and watched Martin's choices go by one after the other and then one lucky transfer when no one was interested in the lower or prepared to take the gamble on Freddy Eastwood ( How we now realise what a player he was when wearing the blue shirt)

So its all about opinions and the need to play football is of no concern when making a written opinion

Yes and that's about the most negative opinion possible of the most successful chairman in our history. Forget all the good stuff he's done, the improvements he's made and the bright future we now have ahead of us - it was all "luck" after all......course it was.

 

[loz]

there are plenty of people who play football every week but know bugger all about it.

 

[TrueBlue]

there are plenty of people who play football every week but know bugger all about it.

Steak Meal?

 

[Swiss Tony]

Hmmm, prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt, however not convinced - maybe the inclusion of a suitable smiley or exclamation mark might have helped.

Did think it was out of character though. I don't honestly think my opinions are usually that far off the majority - well, not as far as football is concerned anyway. On other things I accept that I might as well be from another planet!

You on another planet,now theres a good idea.

 

[OldBlueLady]

You on another planet,now theres a good idea.

No, I said " from", not "on" - sorry to disappoint. ;)

 

[Swiss Tony]

Oh well never mind,i can live in hope.

 

[Ron Manager]

Quite right Beefy. I've never owned a copy of FM anything which I now realise means that I shouldn't actually be allowed in the ground.

What a pile of arrogant drivel some people have come out with.
- Most of the league footballers I see on TV can hardly put 2 sentences together so I suspect they don't understand the nuances of the cattanacio defence & they're far better players than the self appointed football experts on here. So if they don't get it, how are you experts able to know so much better.
- When I went to school way back the thickest kids in the class were the better footballers. FACT. Not saying you experts are thick so no need to take offence. But (unless your name's Dowie) you don't have to be a rocket scientist or at the other end of the scale once had a trial for Bighead United Under 5's, to understand 4-4-2 & that a we can't play a diamond formation to save our lives.
- I once had a prolongued disagreement on SZ with a so called expert, who told me I couldn't see the work a certain player was doing & he could because he'd played youth football to X Factor level & had a trial for Britains Got Talent United. No names, eh Scriv (doh!). My argument was that I'd seen enough sh!t players in (then) 33 years of watching Southend to recognise one. But no, that wasn't right I was told & I'd see how wrong I was. I was a footballing idiot (well that bit was right) and shouldn't be allowed to have a view as I'd not played the game. The player in question? GRAEME JONES. I rest my case.

My suggestion is that as this Shrimperzone thingy is apparently a "FANS" forum that all the experts get together & form their own website where they can discuss, if they can see the screen with their heads so far up their own arses, how they could've been the new Gordon Connelly but for their club foot.

So should only people who've worked in chip shops express an opinion about lucky gherkins?

 

[Hooly]

So should only people who've worked in chip shops express an opinion about lucky gherkins?

Ah! Our latest deportee to Convictalia has surfaced.

As over the years I've spent enough money in the Fish House to practicaly own it I feel I have that right to decide the tactical deployment of the lucky gherkin. In addition, like I say to be fair, the average gherkin is in fact more intelligent than most professional footballers, therefore itself has the ability to work out whether the christmas tree formation is working & they certainly know more about the timing of substitutes than Tilly! ;)

 

[Firestorm]

there are no rules FS they are laws. The strangest one to most people is that foul and abusive language cannot be given a yellow. It must be a red, which is why a lot of refs don't give it.

Thats exactly what I meant...as soon as some one starts about knowing the rules I swithch off as there aren't any....

 

[Ron Manager]

Thats exactly what I meant...as soon as some one starts about knowing the rules I swithch off as there aren't any....

:zzzzz:


ped·ant

–noun 1.a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning. 2.a person who overemphasizes rules or minor details. 3.a person who adheres rigidly to book knowledge without regard to common sense.

 

[Firestorm]

:zzzzz:


ped·ant

–noun 1.a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning. 2.a person who overemphasizes rules or minor details. 3.a person who adheres rigidly to book knowledge without regard to common sense.

Possibly, but any knowledge of the Laws of the game starts with knowing they are Laws not Rules....

 

[WestRoadShrimper]

Except the definition of 'law' is:

"A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority."

Surely that makes the two words kind of interchangable ;)

 

[Firestorm]

Except the definition of 'law' is:

"A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority."

Surely that makes the two words kind of interchangable ;)

True again.

But the laws of the games are called just that, "the Laws of the game" .
what I am trying to get at is that anybody with any knowledge of them will now they are the Laws of the game and refer to them as such.


As an example a spindle and an axle are almost the same thing, yet anyone who referred to the front wheel spindle of their car would indicate that they don't know a great deal about it

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

True again.

But the laws of the games are called just that, "the Laws of the game" .
what I am trying to get at is that anybody with any knowledge of them will now they are the Laws of the game and refer to them as such.


As an example a spindle and an axle are almost the same thing, yet anyone who referred to the front wheel spindle of their car would indicate that they don't know a great deal about it

Its not really important whether someone calls it a rule or a law IMO.

I played football for Rochford Sports years and years ago but that does not mean i know more about the beautiful game than someone who has never played before.

I have probably spent more time/Hours in my Ford Focus than any single one designer or manufacturer of the car, but i would imaging they know more about it than i do.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

True again.

But the laws of the games are called just that, "the Laws of the game" .
what I am trying to get at is that anybody with any knowledge of them will now they are the Laws of the game and refer to them as such.


As an example a spindle and an axle are almost the same thing, yet anyone who referred to the front wheel spindle of their car would indicate that they don't know a great deal about it

Where's Einstein when you need him lol

 

[Fish]

How narrow minded. I've never played football; but I did play hockey for Essex. I do understand the importance of positioning, tactics and TEAM spirit.
I do not appreciate being told my opinion is not informed because I've never played football. Grow up.

Great post. Hockey is a faster sport than football (partly why it's only 35 minutes each way) and footballers would learn a lot about positioning and reading the game if they played it.

Also, in my experience of umpiring hockey (at county level), dissent is much less of an issue - there's no stopping the game for 2 minutes to line up a free kick / hit, as soon as you blow teams can just get on with it, therefore there's less time to mouth off. Plus, the notion that foul and abusive language can't be a yellow card simply restricts the referee and overall means they have to take more abuse cos they are less likely to take action if the only action they can take is so draconian.