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Patience is a virtue.............

Not so long ago we signed both an excellent midfielder and a proven goalscorer,more than capable of producing the attacking football and goals that should take us out of this moderate league. Sadly our manager doesn’t have the tactical nous to use them effectively.
couldnt disagree more, both have failed to produce anything despite being in good positions to do so on numerous occasions. Bonne couldnt finish a plate of chips and Moncur looks like he is going to feint anytime he gets near the box.
 
I agree.
3 years is quite a long time however.
Yes resources etc etc however same fundamental issues exist.
Forward play, poor substitutions, same mentality approach, inflexible formation approach and mostly dire football etc etc.
I don't see km ever taking a team out of this league
3 years is longer than the average tenure and it is crystal clear that Maher's methodology will not change no matter who we sign. He seems to have very fixed, rigid ideas, is frequently out thought by opposition managers during the course of a game and his choice and timing of substiutions is quesionable. Let us remember he has a very limited track record as a chief coach, he was only a caretaker at Bristol Rovers. If we are content to plough on season after season with this dismal brand of football support will inevitably ebb away and EFL status will be a distant memory not a realistic objective.
 
3 years is longer than the average tenure and it is crystal clear that Maher's methodology will not change no matter who we sign. He seems to have very fixed, rigid ideas, is frequently out thought by opposition managers during the course of a game and his choice and timing of substiutions is quesionable. Let us remember he has a very limited track record as a chief coach, he was only a caretaker at Bristol Rovers. If we are content to plough on season after season with this dismal brand of football support will inevitably ebb away and EFL status will be a distant memory not a realistic objective.
2.5 years under extreme external pressure from Rats dodgy dealings, but I would say KM has had a few months without that hanging over his shoulder and the results don't seem to match that of previous years, was the football better last year? I would say it was.
Of course he needs more time, but we have to have something to make us feel things on the pitch are improving.....hopefully that starts tomorrow 🤞
 
Only feel kev and co can fully be judged after they have had a proper season with a full pre season, no embargo and not having to deal with off field issues/player welfare etc

He has not had this once since he took over. he saved us comfortably from relegation after the Brown disaster, weve nearly made the play offs (would have without -10 pts) and after a shaky start we have started to turn a corner. We are now very hard to break down and limit the opposition to few chances. The likes of Crowther and Gubbins who seemed to have a target on their backs a few weeks ago look like mainstays in the back 3. Collin looks more confident. I agree going forward we seem limited at times however its not through lack of trying. We created chance after chance on Wednesday but just lacked the finishing touch but it will come. Someone on this thread said we are 3/4 players short of being a top team and i agree. but its unlikley these will be in place until the summer. this season is about rebuilding the football club off the field and repairing the damage caused under the Ron tenure. But its not a quick fix. As supporters we have one job and thats to support the players we do have. The support at Eastleigh, Rochdale and Aldershot was top draw and a real contrast to the frustration felt at Wealdstone. Can we make the play offs, of course we can. if we dont we dont. but come the summer Kev and co will have a real chance to sign the players we they want and have a full pre season. One thing we do need to do is find the right combination going forward. We have it every now and again like at Solihull. Keep the faith guys weve still performed miracles these past few years under extreme circumstances
 
Someone on this thread said we are 3/4 players short of being a top team and i agree. but its unlikley these will be in place until the summer.
I think (not ITK on this!) that we may see some players coming in around January from things Kev and Justin have said in various interviews. I wonder if one of these is Sean Adarkwa from Wealdstone who apparently was on the white board until he picked up a hamstring injury at the beginning of the season. He's out of contract with Wealdstone at the end of this season and they may cash in on him if he can get himself fit again.

I reckon we'll also be looking at a permanent signing of a central defender to replace Kensdale as we're a bit light in that area and relying on shifting Ralph back into the back three or using a loanee at the moment.

As I say, no inside knowledge on this but just a hunch that they are two obvious areas that we will strengthen.
 
Only feel kev and co can fully be judged after they have had a proper season with a full pre season, no embargo and not having to deal with off field issues/player welfare etc

He has not had this once since he took over. he saved us comfortably from relegation after the Brown disaster, weve nearly made the play offs (would have without -10 pts) and after a shaky start we have started to turn a corner. We are now very hard to break down and limit the opposition to few chances. The likes of Crowther and Gubbins who seemed to have a target on their backs a few weeks ago look like mainstays in the back 3. Collin looks more confident. I agree going forward we seem limited at times however its not through lack of trying. We created chance after chance on Wednesday but just lacked the finishing touch but it will come. Someone on this thread said we are 3/4 players short of being a top team and i agree. but its unlikley these will be in place until the summer. this season is about rebuilding the football club off the field and repairing the damage caused under the Ron tenure. But its not a quick fix. As supporters we have one job and thats to support the players we do have. The support at Eastleigh, Rochdale and Aldershot was top draw and a real contrast to the frustration felt at Wealdstone. Can we make the play offs, of course we can. if we dont we dont. but come the summer Kev and co will have a real chance to sign the players we they want and have a full pre season. One thing we do need to do is find the right combination going forward. We have it every now and again like at Solihull. Keep the faith guys weve still performed miracles these past few years under extreme circumstances
I do get fed up with threads like this appearing every time we don't win a game. In fact I don't go near the Board until a day after a negative result. Thankfully there are some common sense posts on here, like above. I have every confidence that we will get back to the EFL , but it is unlikely to be this season. Quick fixes are no good to anyone, Moncur and Bonne seemed like good signings at the time, but so far neither has been a success.
 
3 years is longer than the average tenure and it is crystal clear that Maher's methodology will not change no matter who we sign. He seems to have very fixed, rigid ideas, is frequently out thought by opposition managers during the course of a game and his choice and timing of substiutions is quesionable. Let us remember he has a very limited track record as a chief coach, he was only a caretaker at Bristol Rovers. If we are content to plough on season after season with this dismal brand of football support will inevitably ebb away and EFL status will be a distant memory not a realistic objective.
Exactly
 
2.5 years under extreme external pressure from Rats dodgy dealings, but I would say KM has had a few months without that hanging over his shoulder and the results don't seem to match that of previous years, was the football better last year? I would say it was.
Of course he needs more time, but we have to have something to make us feel things on the pitch are improving.....hopefully that starts tomorrow 🤞
This was the point I was going to make. Maher hasn't had 3 years in normality. Even now, it's only just becoming 'normal' with plenty of work still to do off the field. The medical department and the training ground are all things that will make an impact that still need sorting.

We arguably played better last season but our starting 11 was much better. The idea for this season would have been to add depth to that 11, in order to compete. Instead, we had the whole spine ripped out! All of those three players played huge roles in how we played. Our replacements had to be made up of loans and players on the scrap heap or unwanted by their parent club. In the summer, we were after players who their parent clubs wanted to keep but would let go at a price. Players at the top of their game. We unfortunately couldn't do that due to the embargo. We instead ended up with players that had a good career many moons ago. They also came in late, not match fit and not fully aware of how we play. We are constantly playing catch-up and we are only seeing the tide slowly turn now.

People are lying to themselves if they say we've never played good football under Maher, we have! And the idea that simply changing formation will suddenly kick the current strike force into an attacking juggernaut is unrealistic. Cardwell is almost priceless at this level and one could argue the combined end of season goal tally by our current strikers won't even eclipse the amount of goals he single handedly got last season. Bonne has done nothing for a long time, Pepple is young and raw, Waldron is an unknown entity at this level and Walker looks shot of confidence in front of goal. It's got nothing to do with tactics, they just may not be good enough to do what is required or need the time to fully bed in. Chances have been created for all of those players and they simply don't convert them or don't convert them enough.

Let's all take a step back and think about it. Maher was voted manager of the season, given the freedom of the city and bigged up on commentary on DAZN during the Rochdale game for the brilliant job he's done. He's not turned into some footballing anti-christ overnight. He just needs to be given time to assemble the squad he wants and be given credit for trying to get the best out of what he has available at the moment. Of course we can play better, we've proved it against Eastleigh, but this is the National League. You're going to get inconsistencies and it takes time to get a fully cohesive squad that can compete for promotion.
 
3 years is longer than the average tenure and it is crystal clear that Maher's methodology will not change no matter who we sign. He seems to have very fixed, rigid ideas, is frequently out thought by opposition managers during the course of a game and his choice and timing of substiutions is quesionable. Let us remember he has a very limited track record as a chief coach, he was only a caretaker at Bristol Rovers. If we are content to plough on season after season with this dismal brand of football support will inevitably ebb away and EFL status will be a distant memory not a realistic objective.
I don't believe this is an accurate portrayal at all, even leaving aside the catalogue of off-field shenanigans that have afflicted the club, and Maher's ability to put out a squad for the vast majority of that period.

When he arrived at the club, we were in complete freefall. The spirit and confidence in the squad was at rock-bottom after Phil Brown's failed return. We'd suffered consecutive relegations, recruited poorly, and were staring at National League South with just two wins from our first 10 matches of the season.

How he did that was to get the squad believing in themselves, playing on the front foot, being proud to wear the badge. He had a lot of success in the early part of 2022 with three at the back (that has been a key principle throughout), then four in midfield and three up front (generally Cardwell through the middle - sometimes Murphy - with Dalby and Dennis or Powell outside).

That changed in the televised game at Woking. After going 2-0 up and cruising at half-time, Woking scored twice in the first quarter-of-an-hour of the second half by flooding the midfield, where we had only players positioned centrally. Maher brought on Harrison Neal for Callum Powell to counteract that and add ballast to the midfield, and Harry Cardwell popped up with the winner. So, flexibility in formation, reacting to an opposition's tactical switch with one of our own and then a perfectly-timed substitution to turn the match around.

From then on, 3-5-2 has been the preferred formation. There's always going to be a preferred formation, so there's a focus on areas to work on in training. But there are subtle tweaks within that formation (I often say football is far more about mentality and confidence, rather than formations). Jack Bridge has been a left wing-back for much of that time, and initially you would see him pushing up with Ralph behind in support, and the right-back (in that first season this would be Demetriou or Leon Davies) sitting, making the formation effectively a 4-4-2. It was lop-sided, and play often came down the left, so when Gus Scott-Morriss arrived the following season, he wasn't as effective because he didn't get up as much. That's not the case now, of course, and we're equally as effective down the left or right (arguably more so down the right-hand side now).

The Wealdstone away match this season is another case in point of Maher being flexible and brave enough to make hard decisions to attempt to get a result. The first half was pretty insipid, and Wealdstone came out early in the second half much the stronger team and were dominating particularly in central areas. Pepple was taken off and James Morton replaced him, creating a box midfield with two sitting and two (Moncur and Appiah-Forson) supporting Bonne up front. We were much better after that, and their go-ahead goal (later cancelled out by Josh Walker) was completely against the run of play.

Three at the back has been constant, but the two outside central defenders are both given license to overlap the wing-backs (I suspect this has been encouraged by Darren Currie, who will have seen this successfully deployed at Sheffield United). We've had four in midfield, five in midfield, even six in midfield at Wealdstone. We've generally had two forwards in operation, but sometimes we've only had one there and sometimes three.

We've just come off the back of three unbeaten away matches without conceding a goal, dominating the last one and just not quite finding the final touch. If Coker's strike (from outside the box) goes the opposite side of the woodwork, or Crowther hits the target inside of nodding wide, this thread probably wouldn't've even been necessary.

But it is, partly because of three consecutive home matches losing each by a two-goal margin. Gateshead were superior to us, and sometimes you do get out-played. It's not a case of Southend United turning up to play every week and that's enough. But we were well on top against Sutton until individual errors cost us, and it was individual mistakes, rather than the set-up or mentality of the team, that led to the Maidenhead reverse.

What this squad desperately needs now is for everyone that turns up tomorrow to get behind them, to show they believe in them, just like those who went to Eastleigh, to Rochdale and to Aldershot did. It's not about formations, or tactics, or the mentality, because Maher has proved over and over again that he is capable in all those areas. It's about confidence, so that when that chance drops to whoever it falls to, they take it on rather than picking the safe pass.
 
The thing that is irking me is we seem to have changed our game plan.

So much being said about transfer windows etc. We don't have one.

What happened to scouting the national league South and North etc. Paying nominal fees for the next top player.

GSM signed for peanuts
Kensdale the same
Cav minimal
Cardwell

I get that some don't work out but isn't this the system of recruitment we were told we were getting.

Then we sign mccauley Bonne who is past his best on big money.

Let's look at the best from the divisions below and get some exciting and growing talent.

Arguably cardwell, kensdale and GSM were our best signings.

We need to sign those players and make money.

Were is the magical John still conveyer belt?

Most NLN or NLS or below will not stand in the way of players progressing for a fee.
This is such a naive comment.

Cav was a free transfer.

Macauley Bonne is only 28 so saying he's past his best is extremely harsh.

John Still can't magic players, if there is no one good enough then why would we sign them for the sake of it. The same way there is plenty of free agents out there we could JUST sign for the sake of it.

Some comments really bewilder me.
 
There are plenty of excuses and attempted justification for the present situation but the table doesn't lie and it's a results based profession. Most managers/coaches have a limited shelf life at a particular club when they have lost momentum or the club is going backwards.
 
I do get fed up with threads like this appearing every time we don't win a game. In fact I don't go near the Board until a day after a negative result.
Oh yes, Pitchforks and burning torches, storming the Roots Hall castle, bloody peasants 😉.
But joking apart I agree, you just know certain posters that are going to pour out toxic negativity, often from an unrealistic and criticism for criticism sake stance. I am not talking about those who express their frustrations in the here and now moment of a post match day thread, who by nature will look in their opinions to highlight the positives of the day (hopefully there's some 🫣) alongside the negativity, no it's those, and we have them, with their preset agenda's, be it anti manger, anti player or anti ownership, yes still!
Honestly with everything this Club has been through I have never used the ignore facility as much as this season! Unbelievable Jeff 😁
 
I think every season this league actually gets harder to get out of. Yes Notts County, Wrexham and Chesterfield have all gone but we are further away at this point from looking like going up than we did when these teams were in our league. Teams that come down will heavily spend to go straight back up, teams already in this league are investing in their squad more and more but we do seem very static on that front.

It doesnt matter what they do in the background to reduce losses the only realistic way we become more sustainable is by getting promoted and the only way we are going to get promoted is by investing in the right players and not relying on such a small squad. We have been miles off the pace most games this season and already there is a breakaway with the top 6 teams to the rest of the league making it likely all these mid table teams will be playing for one single play off spot come the end of the season.
 
There are plenty of excuses and attempted justification for the present situation but the table doesn't lie and it's a results based profession. Most managers/coaches have a limited shelf life at a particular club when they have lost momentum or the club is going backwards.
Yeah they do, but maybe we gaining momentum again?
 
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