mr tilly

[KrustyTheKray]

why do people love tilly. yes we have had a couple of good seasons, but his tactics are poor and he is naive. he clearly can not motivate the team and who knows what he says at half time. we have not learnt from our mistakes last season and our defending is worse, conceding more goals than in the championship. time to go i think, we seem to take one step forward and two back time and time again.

110% spot on!

Time for Tilson to step down.

 

[Cliff Pavilion]

I think you can constructively criticise, the problem is that most of the critiscism is neither constructive or even thought out.

Absolutely, this Tilson should step down now speak is utter nonsense.

Comments that the defence looks shaky, and there has been little defensive improvement of this season are fine observations but are not constructive without also mentioning a way of improving things.[/QUOTE]

It's not a supporter's job to suggest way of improving things, that's why they are supporters not managers. We hopefully can all see the good things and the bad things that happen on the pitch - it's then up to the coaching staff to work on improving the bad things.

If you really want my opinion on how this team would improve it would need the addition of two players - goalkeeper and experienced, commanding centre-half who will take charge at set plays. We also need Macca to play more of a Maher-role (if Maher is not to be picked). He needs to start dictating games from the holding role in a measured way, not running round like a headless chicken, chasing the game.

[/QUOTE]I am not impressed with the defensive record, but as I don't know how much of this is down to what tilly is doing / not doing in training or whether the players are unable to translate what they are told / taught to do into a matchday scenario when the manager is less influential , I will not criticise Tilly.[/QUOTE]

I am not criticising Tilly, I am saying it concerns me he hasn't rectified problems that have plainly been there from the early weeks of the season - whatever the reason for this. We can only (rightly) assume that he is trying to sort it out.

If the players make a mistake , and most of our problems seem to stem from errors not inability, I very much doubt whether they are making that mistake because the manager said so.[/QUOTE]

Defensively, we have been atrocious from set-plays pretty much all season - as a unit.

A coach can also work with players to iron out individual errors. These players will have their limitations and I'd hope a coach would work with them to recognise their weak areas, simplify their game and help iron some of the mistakes out.

 

[Cliff Pavilion]

Hmmm, messed that formatting right up didn't I?!

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

110% spot on!

Time for Tilson to step down.

*wonders whether Tony has bothered to read anything else on the thread*

:thump:

Tony, IMHO, you're 110% wrong. Hey ho.

Matt

 

[KrustyTheKray]

Tony, IMHO, you're 110% wrong. Hey ho.

Matt

Each to their own eh...

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

*wonders whether Tony has bothered to read anything else on the thread*

:thump:

Tony, IMHO, you're 110% wrong. Hey ho.

Matt

And with that neg rep you've taken TTK to a full screen of little red dots!

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

110% spot on!

Time for Tilson to step down.

I wondered when you would show up. Funnily enough didn't see you after the Leeds or Hartlepool games, I wonder why ????????

 

[South Bank Hank]

The other unfortunate thing is that an atmosphere has been created where it is very hard to constructively criticise the management without a few people jumping on your back.

I was very revved up after the game last night and to be honest I still am. To bemoan a performance like that is not an over-reaction.

CP, I agree with you, and I don't believe anyone has said that it is. Our performances have clearly not been up to scratch. I've not seen one person claiming otherwise.

Asking why people love Tilson, and suggesting that the man who has achieved all that he has now needs to stand down because we are languishing four points outside of the play-offs with a game in hand, however, might safely be referred to as over-reaction.

:eek:

 

[KrustyTheKray]

I wondered when you would show up. Funnily enough didn't see you after the Leeds or Hartlepool games, I wonder why ????????

Well you didn't look hard enough then did you!

I was full of praise on here after the Leeds game, especially the second half of that as mentioned game.

 

[Sherif H]

I think you might want to go back and look over the past seasons and judge how a man who didnt learn from mistakes and as naive got the smallest squad in the football leagues (plural) into the Championship, 2 cup finals , and beating Man Utd in the FA cup.

Another clique is "those who do not learn the lessons of history are detined to repeat them"

Bear in mind this is the same man that got us into a position to survive in the Championship only to blow it with a host of games left at home against our relegation rivals. IMHO, we were good enough to scrape survival last season (I thought QPR were hideously bad, yet still managed to retain their place in the league).

Secondly, in the business world, there is little room for sentiment. Whilst I am not advocating the possible sacking of Tilly, I do not see why he should be seen as immune from such a fate. He is not infallible, and regardless of what the players do (or don't do) on a match day, he, as MANAGER, has to take the ultimate responsibility for what transpires on the field of play. To not address our glaringly obvious defensive weaknesses during the transfer window (still hopeful we have time to bring in a decent loanee) was gross misjudgement of the highest order.

On paper, we have a squad capable of acheiving a play-off place (anyone who says we don't is frankly dillusional...Walsall are in the top 5 for crying out loud!), but the centre-back pairing does not work and has not worked all season.

It is panning out to be a very frustrating season.

Oh, and finally, to whoever made the suggestion that those people who are disatisfied with Tilly's management this season should offer solutions if they are to air such displeasure, no, that is not my place. I am surveyor, not a football manager. I get paid substantially less than Tilly to do a job where if I made consistent errors of judgement, people would risk wasting huge sums of money, and I would ultimately end up unemployed or facing legal proceedings.

 

[shrimperjon]

well said. i have noted that during the day more and more people appear to commenting sensibly rather than just sit there and slag me off for what i thought were valid points. yes, tilson has done well, but no-one should be immune from critism and no one should believe his job is safe. as put above, we do have a good team and yes we are in a decent position. but some of our performances have been woeful this season and we should have gone to millwall yesterday and got the result, especially after scoring first. that is why some of us and most on the train last nite are frsutrated with the position. utb

 

[TrueBlue]

well said. i have noted that during the day more and more people appear to commenting sensibly rather than just sit there and slag me off for what i thought were valid points. yes, tilson has done well, but no-one should be immune from critism and no one should believe his job is safe. as put above, we do have a good team and yes we are in a decent position. but some of our performances have been woeful this season and we should have gone to millwall yesterday and got the result, especially after scoring first. that is why some of us and most on the train last nite are frsutrated with the position. utb

Have to agree with you fella

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Here's another one for the Tilly & Brush Out brigade to consider.

These 2 are contracted up until June 2011, therefore with 3.4 years left on their deals, removing them is going to cost the club quite a considerable amount of dosh, therefore maybe causing issues with what funds are available to strengthen the squad in the summer!

 

[osymandus]

Bear in mind this is the same man that got us into a position to survive in the Championship only to blow it with a host of games left at home against our relegation rivals. IMHO, we were good enough to scrape survival last season (I thought QPR were hideously bad, yet still managed to retain their place in the league).

Secondly, in the business world, there is little room for sentiment. Whilst I am not advocating the possible sacking of Tilly, I do not see why he should be seen as immune from such a fate. He is not infallible, and regardless of what the players do (or don't do) on a match day, he, as MANAGER, has to take the ultimate responsibility for what transpires on the field of play. To not address our glaringly obvious defensive weaknesses during the transfer window (still hopeful we have time to bring in a decent loanee) was gross misjudgement of the highest order.

On paper, we have a squad capable of acheiving a play-off place (anyone who says we don't is frankly dillusional...Walsall are in the top 5 for crying out loud!), but the centre-back pairing does not work and has not worked all season.

It is panning out to be a very frustrating season.

Oh, and finally, to whoever made the suggestion that those people who are disatisfied with Tilly's management this season should offer solutions if they are to air such displeasure, no, that is not my place. I am surveyor, not a football manager. I get paid substantially less than Tilly to do a job where if I made consistent errors of judgement, people would risk wasting huge sums of money, and I would ultimately end up unemployed or facing legal proceedings.

Well as pointed out you are a surveyor and not a football manager hence why were all rather glad Tillys in charge .

And no its been taken over by the buisness world that in off it self is so flawed and shortsighted it only attempts to reap short term gains (only only bet on sure things)

No one is suggesting Tilly is infalliable (that was Dave Webb ;) ) , but his mistakes have not been catasthropic (Alvin martin anyone), and sadly once their on the pitch theres sometimes a limited amount of control he can have on the game. Going to the Manager part being ultimately responsible thats a short failing of our society i.e one person in responsibilty takes teh heat , thats crap its the person who performed the action who is respobinsable . If you say blindely listened to everything were your told your (excluding exception enviroments like warzones) abit of a moron.

 

[Bentley's Absurd Gait]

Bear in mind this is the same man that got us into a position to survive in the Championship only to blow it with a host of games left at home against our relegation rivals. IMHO, we were good enough to scrape survival last season (I thought QPR were hideously bad, yet still managed to retain their place in the league).

Secondly, in the business world, there is little room for sentiment. Whilst I am not advocating the possible sacking of Tilly, I do not see why he should be seen as immune from such a fate. He is not infallible, and regardless of what the players do (or don't do) on a match day, he, as MANAGER, has to take the ultimate responsibility for what transpires on the field of play. To not address our glaringly obvious defensive weaknesses during the transfer window (still hopeful we have time to bring in a decent loanee) was gross misjudgement of the highest order.

On paper, we have a squad capable of acheiving a play-off place (anyone who says we don't is frankly dillusional...Walsall are in the top 5 for crying out loud!), but the centre-back pairing does not work and has not worked all season.

It is panning out to be a very frustrating season.

Oh, and finally, to whoever made the suggestion that those people who are disatisfied with Tilly's management this season should offer solutions if they are to air such displeasure, no, that is not my place. I am surveyor, not a football manager. I get paid substantially less than Tilly to do a job where if I made consistent errors of judgement, people would risk wasting huge sums of money, and I would ultimately end up unemployed or facing legal proceedings.

Good points well made here. I don't want Tilly to go, and in many ways he is paying the price for his early success, but I feel we are underachieving this season, and he as manager must bear the ultimate responsibility. And I'm sure it has been said before, but you're quite right to say that we should have stayed up last year, we showed we were capable on many occasions, and after the QPR win, we were in a great position to kick on to lower mid-table.

 

[TrueBlue]

have not been catasthropic (Alvin martin anyone)

Alvin was given no money and nothing to work with!!!

unlike Tilson so its not fair to compare!

 

[osymandus]

Alvin was given no money and nothing to work with!!!

unlike Tilson so its not fair to compare!

Not quite TB , he was just unbelievably bad , had no idea of tactics man mangment or anything .

And teh side Tilly put together that got promoted from teh 2nd to 1st was bukilt on next to nothing .

 

[Sherif H]

Going to the Manager part being ultimately responsible thats a short failing of our society i.e one person in responsibilty takes teh heat , thats crap its the person who performed the action who is respobinsable . If you say blindely listened to everything were your told your (excluding exception enviroments like warzones) abit of a moron.

A manager and his/her backroom staff are appointed to co-ordinate, control and make decisions. That is not down to a flawed society....merely reality. It just so happens that in the football world, a manager's salary often pales into obscurity when compared to some of his playing staff...that IS down to a flawed society.

At the end of the day, if players are not performing as they should be, whether that be down to poor tactics, lack of morale or poor discipline, then the manager has to accept responsibility.

Oh, and no, I don't listen to everything my line manager says, nor do I class myself as a moron, but I sure as hell know who is the boss at the end of the day, and part of the reason the company is currently so successful is due to strong management.

 

[osymandus]

A manager and his/her backroom staff are appointed to co-ordinate, control and make decisions. That is not down to a flawed society....merely reality. It just so happens that in the football world, a manager's salary often pales into obscurity when compared to some of his playing staff...that IS down to a flawed society.

At the end of the day, if players are not performing as they should be, whether that be down to poor tactics, lack of morale or poor discipline, then the manager has to accept responsibility.

Oh, and no, I don't listen to everything my line manager says, nor do I class myself as a moron, but I sure as hell know who is the boss at the end of the day, and part of the reason the company is currently so successful is due to strong management.

No each individual accepts it , if the manager is at fault for tactics or anything under his responsibilty then yes if on teh field then its the player .
Wages come on how much longer does the coaching/managment last in comparission (and it could be argued bith are flawed )

The comments wernt aimed at you (but intresting you should take them to heart). Indeed but that must also be the people working under them are both good at their job and respect the person above . And that comes from the individuals working at all levels and doing their roles and responsiblities with skill and abilitey

 

[Neil_F]

Alvin was given no money and nothing to work with!!!

unlike Tilson so its not fair to compare!

Martin spent £35k on Neville Roach, the same amount Tilson spent on Eastwood. He also spent £90k on Barry Conlon so I think it is perfectly fair to compare the two.