mr tilly

[OldBlueLady]

And 5 bonus points if you can match the people in question with their usernames on here ;)

I wouldn't be so presumptuous! Besides which I'm sure amongst all the threads running on here they've all but owned up of their own accord! Seriously though, is it my imagination or is it amongst those that didn't go that the most vocal are today?

 

[Jam_Man]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Dean Austin was the defensive coach.

If so ..time for him to go, imo.

You are wrong so Ill correct you :)

Dean Austin is reserve team coach and scout.

 

[OldBlueLady]

You are wrong so Ill correct you :)

Dean Austin is reserve team coach and scout.

Are you sure? I also was firmly of the opinion he'd been brought in to help with defensive work as well as scouting.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Seriously though, is it my imagination or is it amongst those that didn't go that the most vocal are today?

Really? Hope that's not directed at me?

 

[Jam_Man]

i appreciate your comments and take them on board. im not going to start having a go back. this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions. i do not appreciate being called a prat. i am a season ticket holder who attends games home and away. i have supported the club for 28 years and attended just short of 500 games. i appreciate all that tilson has done and yes he has providied us with many good times. but we are so inconsistent and that comes from the management team. to label him is the same category as ferguson. wenger and jose is absurd. but we are concedeing more goals this year than last and can not defend set peices. someone has to take this on board. also, i wasnt necessarily calling for his head, it was a more tongue in cheek comment. mayb some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. you are blinded by sentiment!!!

People would take your opinions more seriously if they were correct.

How are we conceding more goals this year for example, when we have conceded less ?

What level do you think we have a god given right to play at ? From your post Im assuming in the top 9 of League One isnt acceptable.

Also, lets hear who you feel would be a replacement that could achieve the level you feel we should be at.

 

[shrimperjon]

despite my comments on here that have clearly upset a few, i for one was one of those who WAS trying to get behind the team. i will never stop supporting the team regardless of how poor they are playing. yes, have a go after the game but not during it. slagging off the players and team as a whole, much like luton a few months ago is pointless and very discouraging for the team. for the record i thought the support was good last nite and in most cases positive in view of the performance.

 

[Jam_Man]

Are you sure? I also was firmly of the opinion he'd been brought in to help with defensive work as well as scouting.

His job is reserve team coach, however Im sure he does contribute to the coaching as well....

 

[OldBlueLady]

Really? Hope that's not directed at me?

As if!!! It's really obvious reading through the threads who the caps fit.

 

[Somerset Ex-TTB]

Some interesting points in this post, however I think what most people on here are trying to get at is the fact that 99% of posters on here, both pro and against Tilly realise that we have a problem in defence.

I posted something on here after the first Hartlepool game showing that in the past season and a two thirds, only 2 football league clubs have conceeded more league goals than us.

Since then we have played 4 games and conceeded 5 goals, so nothing much has changed.

However the problem that most people are finding hard to fathom, is that T&B have buried their heads in the sand regarding our defense, and in fact have made it weaker than before with the sale of Richards, and the change of Hammell for Mulgrew.

It seems to me that all they have concentrated on all season, is bringing in forwards and wide midfielders.

If we had even a half decent defence we would be at least 7 or 8 points better off this year and in 3rd or 4th place looking for automatic promotion.

 

[Ricky Otto]

I hate getting dragged into this but you've asked why people love Tilson, and then answered it for yourself. The rest of your post is simply a contradiction.

Why do people love Tilly?
Because he took over a team heading for the Conference, and took them to the Championship in under 3 seasons. If that weren't enough, perhaps you might look to the two trips we made to Cardiff as (minor) Cup finalists. Then again, one might consider the 1-0 victory over the Premier League champions which put this club on the map. Perhaps his poor tactics, naivity and lack of motivational skills briefly let him down during this period. What a ridiculous question!

Who knows what he says at half time?
Exactly. Who knows?

We have not learnt from our mistakes last season and our defending is worse, conceding more goals than in the championship.
Finally, something actually worth reading. Clearly we have some significant problems at the moment, particularly at the back. All is not rosey in the garden, and the fans are becoming restless.

Time to go you think
Tilson, in my opinion, has done more than enough in the past to justify time and support to put things right. He's made some 'ricketts' in the transfer market, but then so have Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger. He has also pulled off some quite inspired signings with his limited budget - see the initial impact of Luke Guttridge, see Nicky Bailey, see Sean Goater, see Spencer Prior, see Freddy Eastwood, see Alan McCormack...

One step forwards, two steps back?
To me, since Tilson came onboard, we have move two leagues forward and fallen one league back. Despite a ****e performance last night, we still sit just a short distance from the play-offs with a game in hand. Hardly one step forward and two back, is it?


Things aren't entirely great at the moment on the playing field, but jeez these post-match over-reactions are so boring!

top post!!
Tilson is still the right man, I have no doubts!

 

[turkishm]

Some interesting points in this post, however I think what most people on here are trying to get at is the fact that 99% of posters on here, both pro and against Tilly realise that we have a problem in defence.

I posted something on here after the first Hartlepool game showing that in the past season and a two thirds, only 2 football league clubs have conceeded more league goals than us.

Since then we have played 4 games and conceeded 5 goals, so nothing much has changed.

However the problem that most people are finding hard to fathom, is that T&B have buried their heads in the sand regarding our defense, and in fact have made it weaker than before with the sale of Richards, and the change of Hammell for Mulgrew.

It seems to me that all they have concentrated on all season, is bringing in forwards and wide midfielders.

If we had even a half decent defence we would be at least 7 or 8 points better off this year and in 3rd or 4th place looking for automatic promotion.

Correct, have just said as much on another thread.

 

[shrimperjon]

ok guys, i now admit that my comments have clearly upset many people and mayb are a slight over reaction to last nites poor performance. I would like to add finally that i am behind sufc, i love this club and my views are in many cases said in the heat of the moment. if we didnt have opinions then their would be no shrimperzone and the fact that we sometimes agree / disagree is why we all contribute. everyone sees the team, players and games in different ways. even best friends dont always agree when sitting in the stand. thats the beauty of football. lets all get behind the team, support them in our own way and hope for a good end to the season.

 

[South Bank Hank]

ok guys, i now admit that my comments have clearly upset many people and mayb are a slight over reaction to last nites poor performance. I would like to add finally that i am behind sufc, i love this club and my views are in many cases said in the heat of the moment. if we didnt have opinions then their would be no shrimperzone and the fact that we sometimes agree / disagree is why we all contribute. everyone sees the team, players and games in different ways.

SJ,

My guess is you've unwittingly opened the same can of worms that gets opened on here every time Southend lose. There seems to be nothing to crank up the SZ tension following a defeat than over-reaction.

You're absolutely right in one thing - it's a game of opinions, and the forum's designed for airing them. It's got to work both ways though... When you post an opinion, it's there to be shot at, and people are quite right to question it.

even best friends dont always agree when sitting in the stand. thats the beauty of football. lets all get behind the team, support them in our own way and hope for a good end to the season.

You're bang on there too mate. Let's face it, we're all of us on here because of our passion for this club. We could all go and support Arsenal or Chelsea, but where's the fun in that!?

;)

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

Let's face it, we're all of us on here because of our passion for this club

Even Jonny Stokes? :hilarious:

 

[South Bank Hank]

Even Jonny Stokes? :hilarious:

YOU know it Glasgow, I know it and the rest of ShrimperZone know it.
Jonny S just hasn't quite made it out of the closet yet.

:cool:

 

[Westcliff Shrimper]

It seems to me that all they have concentrated on all season, is bringing in forwards and wide midfielders.

If we had even a half decent defence we would be at least 7 or 8 points better off this year and in 3rd or 4th place looking for automatic promotion.

That is true, or is it that the club needs some stability, so a season in League One may be for the best? And that the summer may see a clear out of defenders and goalkeepers?

Who knows... Isn't that what makes football the greatest game in the world? And why our small island has the most amount of professional football clubs in Europe?

Loving it...

 

[seany t]

That is true, or is it that the club needs some stability, so a season in League One may be for the best? And that the summer may see a clear out of defenders and goalkeepers?

Tricky one isn't it? If we go up with the current side, I foresee a season even more hard work than our last due to the lack of sustained impetus we were in the midst of before. If we don't, we will probably get players that are more disillusioned next season and lose any decent players to clubs higher up the league than us with more cash.

You can't win can you?

On the other hand, maybe the new stadium will be announced by then attracting new talent, one of the strikers will come good, our defenders start to string together some communication and these up's and down's will disappear to be replaced by the consistently good team we all know is frustratingly SO close to being bedded in now.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

On the other hand, maybe the new stadium will be announced by then attracting new talent, one of the strikers will come good, our defenders start to string together some communication and these up's and down's will disappear to be replaced by the consistently good team we all know is frustratingly SO close to being bedded in now.

Yep, that's 08/09 all mapped out from my angle! :)

 

[Cliff Pavilion]

SJ,
My guess is you've unwittingly opened the same can of worms that gets opened on here every time Southend lose. There seems to be nothing to crank up the SZ tension following a defeat than over-reaction.

The other unfortunate thing is that an atmosphere has been created where it is very hard to constructively criticise the management without a few people jumping on your back.

I was very revved up after the game last night and to be honest I still am. To bemoan a performance like that is not an over-reaction. In fact, it just compounds previous frustrations as last night's game panned out like so many others this season: Better players than the opposition but without the knowhow to win and kill off a game, a brilliant goal that came out of nowhere, no one able to control the tempo of the game in midfield, creating virtually nothing, unbelievably naive defending and poor use of substitutes.

I think what even the biggest pro-Tilly posters (myself included) are finding hard to take is that the same problems crop up game after game with seemingly not much done to rectify them.

 

[Firestorm]

The other unfortunate thing is that an atmosphere has been created where it is very hard to constructively criticise the management without a few people jumping on your back.

I was very revved up after the game last night and to be honest I still am. To bemoan a performance like that is not an over-reaction. In fact, it just compounds previous frustrations as last night's game panned out like so many others this season: Better players than the opposition but without the knowhow to win and kill off a game, a brilliant goal that came out of nowhere, no one able to control the tempo of the game in midfield, creating virtually nothing, unbelievably naive defending and poor use of substitutes.

I think what even the biggest pro-Tilly posters (myself included) are finding hard to take is that the same problems crop up game after game with seemingly not much done to rectify them.

I think you can constructively criticise, the problem is that most of the critiscism is neither constructive or even thought out.

Comments that the defence looks shaky, and there has been little defensive improvement of this season are fine observations but are not constructive without also mentioning a way of improving things.

I am not impressed with the defensive record, but as I don't know how much of this is down to what tilly is doing / not doing in training or whether the players are unable to translate what they are told / taught to do into a matchday scenario when the manager is less influential , I will not criticise Tilly.

If the players make a mistake , and most of our problems seem to stem from errors not inability, I very much doubt whether they are making that mistake because the manager said so.