Migrant "children" from Calais

[mrsblue]

By this logic you can only express concern for the elderly if you are going to house an old person.


Only express concern for orphans if you are going to house an orphan.


Only express enthusiasm for Trident if you are willing to keep a nuke at the bottom of your garden.


Only express enthusiasm for the Royals if you are willing to pay more tax to replace the EU subsidies they are losing.


Only support foreign citizens being sent back if you are willing to train to be a Dr or nurse to replace them.


Only criticise Phil Brown if you actually go to the matches.




But really it doesn't work like that does it. People are allowed to express an opinion even though they may not personally have the funds, facilities or skills to make a situation better themselves. That is how and why societies and communities form - people sharing their abilities and trading. That is why dairy farmers don't only drink milk and Doctors don't only treat their own family - skills are shared and exchanged.


So someone can have an opinion on refugees even if they don't have refugees living in their own homes. We vote in governments to make those things happen.

Of course ***,

But when any person expresses their opinion in any walk of life,then their opinion maybe challenged.

I stated I don't go to games because the football is horrid,but I will go to the next game simply because the team it appears is playing the game the way I like,so I want to pay my money and watch that brand of football.

The migrant situation evokes opinion and whilst mine is negative ,others see it differently,truth is it doesn't matter on here because nobody is trying to change the world,just chatting amongst ourselves .

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Of course ***,

But when any person expresses their opinion in any walk of life,then their opinion maybe challenged.

I stated I don't go to games because the football is horrid,but I will go to the next game simply because the team it appears is playing the game the way I like,so I want to pay my money and watch that brand of football.

The migrant situation evokes opinion and whilst mine is negative ,others see it differently,truth is it doesn't matter on here because nobody is trying to change the world,just chatting amongst ourselves .

But by just saying 'how many have you taken into your home' to anyone who doesn't hate refugees has no value and the result of that level of posting over and over again is that people get bored and stop posting and others ask people not to reply to you - which ultimately makes your time here boring for you.

 

[mrsblue]

But by just saying 'how many have you taken into your home' to anyone who doesn't hate refugees has no value and the result of that level of posting over and over again is that people get bored and stop posting and others ask people not to reply to you - which ultimately makes your time here boring for you.

Plenty have posted,sadly some get the hump which is their call.

Put it this way,

This is not real or what I actually think,

I cannot stand your posts or threads for whatever reason ,I would avoid them as simple as that,I certainly wouldn't state "your on ignore" or (ignore *** coz I still see the replies".....pointless don't you agree....easier just to not even enter into debate IMO.

This is what I really think of you,

We are poles apart on many things but I find your posts at times interesting,I also respect that you havnt retorted to stating any of the above.You give as good as you get which in my book makes you ok.

 

[callan]

But by just saying 'how many have you taken into your home' to anyone who doesn't hate refugees has no value and the result of that level of posting over and over again is that people get bored and stop posting and others ask people not to reply to you - which ultimately makes your time here boring for you.

I work with refugees, / migrants (mostly children) and there is two sides too this.

One is the heart and the other the head.

From the head

For every refugee child I work with has, each has a higher cost implication than a UK born child, both in time and money (often the cost factor can be upto 5 times as much)....and despite lots of Celebs coming forward declaring their views on what we should be doing I can think of only one example in the last 5 years of someone well known, getting involved in a child's life.

Resources are stretched most of time meaning that outcomes are not always as good as they should be, as an example I am working with a 15 year old Albanian boy who is on his 17th version of my life story work, and will not be reunited with his family, despite them being present in the UK.

The majority of kids that are coming onto my teams caseload are trafficked and are not fleeing significant risk of harm areas such as a war zone, indeed I have yet to see or work with a Syrian child.....

Once the child turns eighteen, then it is likely that in most cases the Home office will seek to return them to their origin,

From the heart

For most on this board, these kids are statistics and news paper headlines, for me it is different they have names, faces and their own story.

I would challenge most on here to not show compassion to a child, who has no family and in a foreign country (to them) with only the clothes they stand up in.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I'd like to ask TUIB and anyone else that agrees with him this question. Do you agree that these migrants should have sought refugee status in their first port of safe refuge as international regulations state? Please, no convaluted left wing claptrap. Simple yes or no.

 

[londonblue]

I'd like to ask TUIB and anyone else that agrees with him this question. Do you agree that these migrants should have sought refugee status in their first port of safe refuge as international regulations state? Please, no convaluted left or right wing claptrap. Simple yes or no.

Edited to remove some of your bias.

 

[Firestorm]

How many minors around the world are sufficiently versed in international agreements to know what the first port of safe refuge actually is ? and how to seek refugee status.

I suggest a straw poll outside the local primary school would assist. PS no cheating by asking Mum .....

 

[mrsblue]

How many minors around the world are sufficiently versed in international agreements to know what the first port of safe refuge actually is ? and how to seek refugee status.

I suggest a straw poll outside the local primary school would assist. PS no cheating by asking Mum .....

You assume these people are very stupid,

Why do you think they arrive in Calais or elsewhere without any papers/documents blah blah...they can conceal many secrets without their ID .

The mobile phone is a handy tool to spread the word...what to say ,where to go blah blah

 

[callan]

I'd like to ask TUIB and anyone else that agrees with him this question. Do you agree that these migrants should have sought refugee status in their first port of safe refuge as international regulations state? Please, no convaluted left wing claptrap. Simple yes or no.

It's a rare occasion that I agree with Tangled, but with regards child migrants,if he has said that the first place they turn up in, may not be the best place for them safe refuge or not...then this time he is right.

 

[mrsblue]

It's a rare occasion that I agree with Tangled, but with regards child migrants,if he has said that the first place they turn up in, may not be the best place for them safe refuge or not...then this time he is right.

Its a rare occasion I disagree with you,but I do on this subject.

Child migrants,

If they are truly children and have entry right to the UK then fair enough,yet the home office have been very secretive on who has come here,photos clearly show adults ,how do we know they are not all adults.

70 have been sent to Devon,are they children or adults,nobody knows,I suspect it's a combination of both,if adults are amongst them then it's a scandal against the public and EU law.

Would have been better to take proper young kids from the camps in Syria as they played by the rules whilst the Calais crowd have ignored laws by not claiming asylum in the first safe country.

The jungle camp within months will probably spring up elsewhere and the sane cycle of events will occur.

Sadly Europe and more importantly the UK cannot solve the ME and African movement of millions of people,any encouragement by the UK will lead to utter disaster for every person IMO.

 

[Bielzibubz]

How many minors around the world are sufficiently versed in international agreements to know what the first port of safe refuge actually is ? and how to seek refugee status.

I suggest a straw poll outside the local primary school would assist. PS no cheating by asking Mum .....

Edited to remove some of your bias.

1. It was directed primarily at TUIB and other known left wing posters on here so the left wing so called bias is perfectly valid

2. Did I mention specifically children/minors in my question about first port of safe refuge? No, so please don't twist a persons post to suit your own reply there's a good chap.

 

[londonblue]

1. It was directed primarily at TUIB and other known left wing posters on here so the left wing so called bias is perfectly valid

2. Did I mention specifically children/minors in my question about first port of safe refuge? No, so please don't twist a persons post to suit your own reply there's a good chap.

If you direct a post to one person, but make it public to everyone else, then expect an answer from everyone else. The fact is there is as much claptrap from the right as there is from the left.

 

[Bielzibubz]

If you direct a post to one person, but make it public to everyone else, then expect an answer from everyone else. The fact is there is as much claptrap from the right as there is from the left.

I'm not doubting that for one minute fella and I agree but again I point out it wasn't directed a everyone. Just because it's public doesn't alter the context or the directness of the message or indeed it's reply. If I'd said 'does anyone think these migrants etc etc' then your argument stands up but I didn't. If it was directed directly at an overtly and outright right wing protagonist such as Rusty I'd have asked for no right wing claptrap. You get my drift?

Now, as you were lads :D

 

[londonblue]

I'm not doubting that for one minute fella and I agree but again I point out it wasn't directed a everyone. Just because it's public doesn't alter the context or the directness of the message or indeed it's reply. If I'd said 'does anyone think these migrants etc etc' then your argument stands up but I didn't. If it was directed directly at an overtly and outright right wing protagonist such as Rusty I'd have asked for no right wing claptrap. You get my drift?

Now, as you were lads :D

I do, but as I said, if you post on a public forum expect the public to answer, and to try and balance things out a bit.

 

[mrsblue]

Latest from the jungle camp.

Fire in the camp started by whoever...BBC in meltdown constantly saying children children children ...They even had the cheek yo interview "Ali" who said he was 17....get out of it dude you were 20 at least .....France state the camp is cleared...oh no it's not...charities are all stating children children children.

Where on earth did the migrants obtain dozens of caravans...dozens of porta loos...hundreds of tarps....tonnes of timber....enough kitchen ware to start up a restaurant.....big con trick.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Where on earth did the migrants obtain dozens of caravans...dozens of porta loos...hundreds of tarps....tonnes of timber....enough kitchen ware to start up a restaurant.....big con trick.

I would imagine that these were humanitarian donations so that they could, at least, have the most basic of needs looked after.

 

[mrsblue]

I would imagine that these were humanitarian donations so that they could, at least, have the most basic of needs looked after.

Yep of course....why did the French allow it though?

Imagine if one large mob of hippies rocked up to say Priory Park and proceeded to build a mini town with donations flooding in...would the council and police allow it.....Defo not.

France had a reason which was probably to put the UK under pressure to take the migrants en masse which thankfully the a Government stood firm and refused...just think if barmy Jezza had been in power.

 

[rigsby]

Yep of course....why did the French allow it though?

Imagine if one large mob of hippies rocked up to say Priory Park and proceeded to build a mini town with donations flooding in...would the council and police allow it.....Defo not.

France had a reason which was probably to put the UK under pressure to take the migrants en masse which thankfully the a Government stood firm and refused...just think if barmy Jezza had been in power.

You don't remember camp Bling then?

 

[mrsblue]

You don't remember camp Bling then?

Tree huggers....was very small though.

 

[rigsby]

For those of you who don't think it matters if a few adults posing as children arrive in the country because they are doing it for the 'right' reasons I'll give you an example of why it does.

I was out on a friends 50th on Saturday. His family were there and I've known them all for years, including a woman who has fostered many children and in the past. She is an absolute angle and has only just stopped fostering as she is now 75 and on her own.

Over the years she has had 3 African families, there were three children in the last one. She had real problems with the eldest sister who was 15 when she arrived because she certainly wasn't going to do what 15 year olds are suppose to. Like attend school or live by any family rules etc. Plenty of time wasted by all sorts of professionals at the tax payers expense.

Turns out the girl was in fact their older aunt and the other two kids were moved on. There had been a similar problem with one of the previous families. So this lovely old lady with no axe to grind says she would not have any more Africans after that.