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When the consortium said at the cliffs pavilion Ron was going to pay 20milliom everyone fell off there seats laughingThink there is more chance of us winning the champions league than seeing that £20 million
When the consortium said at the cliffs pavilion Ron was going to pay 20milliom everyone fell off there seats laughingThink there is more chance of us winning the champions league than seeing that £20 million
It's not the club that is crucial, it's the land it sits on.It's bloody ridiculous, why don't that family just F off and leave your club alone, and it is your club because a club only means something if it has fans, no matter how many there are.
Such a nothing statement. No detail, no substance, just waffle. But I suppose that is Martin for you
I thought the Council were responsible for getting Ron to pay. Do remember Justin saying no money would be forthcoming until property is built at Fossetts.The consortium aren't stupid. It will legally be included in the deal, rather than Ron's word on it.
Be astonished if Ron was holding it up by trying to renegotiate
Every Shrimper needs to listen to Liam. He is such a brilliant speaker and lays things down in a very easy to understand manner. Bravo Sir.
It was in the council report - there are large financial changes compared to the original deal to lease the properties at RH.Where is this actually coming from? The council are saying DD is nearing completion and it will go to cabinet later this month? Nothing about any ongoing negotiations? There's so much fiction, is this idea on Ron seeking changes actually coming from one of the parties? It may be there is no mention of it because such changes are already agreed and reflected so its now a non issue. Be astonished if Ron was holding it up by trying to renegotiate and neither the consortium or the council even mentioned it?
No you have taken a selected part of what I said out of context- a political career awaits you ;-)Why? Ron has changed the plans several times over the last 20 years, with most of these being demonstrable.
From the design of the stadium, to the surrounding road networks. From the retail park to the housing. Then the type of housing to the amount of housing.
Frankly, I’m astonished at your astonishment.
I think you've taken my post out of context as well though, I didn't say Ron was continuing to try and change the deal. Just that there are other changes than just a simple move of properties from RH to FF which will cause the DD process to be longer than otherwise required.No you have taken a selected part of what I said out of context- a political career awaits you ;-)
What I actually said wasn’t that I would be astonished if Ron tried to negotiate BUT that I would be astonished if negotiations were still going on, and incomplete, and neither the consortium or SBC mentioned it.
Agree but it is a DD process now and not a negotiation? All talk from SBC is only about DD, it proceeding well and on schedule?It was in the council report - there are large financial changes compared to the original deal to lease the properties at RH.
My point is that if the change was solely to move the leased properties from RH to FF then it would be a relatively simple analysis to agree to. But the FACT that there are multiple other changes means the DD process will be longer.
Maybe but I haven't suggested that there is any ongoing negotiation.Agree but it is a DD process now and not a negotiation? All talk from SBC is only about DD, it proceeding well and on schedule?
I see nothing from any party suggesting at this point any ongoing negotiations? My point is I would be astonished if there was any hold up due to ongoing negotiations and no party referring to this
We are now in violent agreement…I think you've taken my post out of context as well though, I didn't say Ron was continuing to try and change the deal. Just that there are other changes than just a simple move of properties from RH to FF which will cause the DD process to be longer than otherwise required.
I'd also suggest that the council schedule has probably changed! Consortium was expecting to own the club by now so someone's timeline has defo slippedAgree but it is a DD process now and not a negotiation? All talk from SBC is only about DD, it proceeding well and on schedule?
I see nothing from any party suggesting at this point any ongoing negotiations? My point is I would be astonished if there was any hold up due to ongoing negotiations and no party referring to this
Yes I realise that but surely it is in the interests of all parties to get this resolved, much of the cash at stake will be lost in legal costs the way this is going. The Martins must want to cut and run because their business will be stuck in a rut too, Ron Martin will run out of life before he gets the chance to spend his ill gotten gains at this rate!It's not the club that is crucial, it's the land it sits on.
The Martins are absolutely not going to let that go, and that will mean the end of the club because no sane person would buy the club and not the land.
Maybe from SBC view when they say “on schedule” they mean against the latest revised schedule.I'd also suggest that the council schedule has probably changed! Consortium was expecting to own the club by now so someone's timeline has defo slipped
No you have taken a selected part of what I said out of context- a political career awaits you ;-)
What I actually said wasn’t that I would be astonished if Ron tried to negotiate BUT that I would be astonished if negotiations were still going on, and incomplete, and neither the consortium or SBC mentioned it.
They almost certainly appeared slow because the information they required to conduct it was slow coming.As with most things, it's probably not 1 thing at fault but a multitude. The council appeared slow to commence the DD, but the changes Ron wants are likely to be adding to the timescale rather than detracting.
The law firm presumably aren’t stupid and their terms of engagement presumably require that they are paid but they haven’t seen their money.The consortium aren't stupid. It will legally be included in the deal, rather than Ron's word on it.
As far as i am aware he also has loans against the housing project at RH so for the loanees to be happy i would think they would want to see the council at least in principle allowing the moving of said housing to FF. Of course that will all be subject to planning.Have I understood what Liam said on the Podcast correctly or missed something.
here Goes and I have tried to make this a simple an interpretation as possible. If anyone spots I have misunderstood anything, please point it out:
Ron may or may not be short of capital
Ron owns the land at FF and that land has a value, which may rise or fall depending what is or isn't built on it.
However, there is a charge on the land, meaning he has loans from a third party, against the value of the FF land at the point when he took those loans out. Therefore he needs the value of the land to keep above the value it was at when he took those loans out.
To repay those loans Ron needs the project to complete to raise the capital to repay the loans and take his proceeds and disappear into the sunset.
However, the current planning permission he has was with a stadium involved on the FF project.
That is now not required, hence the requirement to allocate the housing that was going onto the Roots Hall Land to be relocated to FF.
However, FF is currently Green Belt, hence why Ron needs the council's legal OK that the re-allocation of RH housing can be ratified, as previous planning permission on Green Belt land was given because of the stadium involvement.
Council are carrying out DD, to ensure the legal process involved covers them, to give that approval on FF land and a go ahead for Ron to progress the project.
Once he has that approval, contracts will be exchanged with the consortium, and they will then become legal owners of the SUFC. SUFC's creditors will then commence to be paid the monies owed to them by SUFC in part agreements or in full depending on amounts owed and agreements in place. So every creditor would then have a better result than SUFC going into administration or being wound up.
Ron, when FF is completed and as it would be a phased project, the £20m would be released to SUFC in phases to the consortium to contribute to the refurbishment of RH. Thus his loans would commence repayment to his creditors who have charges on the land as the project progresses, depending on the legal contracts of the loans.
Once the FF project is completed, we then hopefully live happy every after without him.
He makes his money and sails of into the sunset with his son.