callan
Striker
You think Milibands telling lies then?
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You think Milibands telling lies then?
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
Ha!And people accuse me of being cynical.:winking:
callan
Striker
Out of interest why UKIP and not say the Lib Dems?
Surely this is a given..tell me one Minister who tells the truth and you would of found the ark of the covenant.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
Frankly, I'd be suprised if the LIb/Dems would willingly enter into another coalition with the Tories, especially after the collateral damage they're likely to suffer in May, in terms of decline in number of votes cast and seats lost, after breaking their tution fees promise.
I mentioned UKIP because Farage has offered a coalition with the Tories which hasn't been flatly refused yet.Clearly the Tories are well aware, they would lose a lot of votes to UKIP if they were to rule out any formal coalition with the Kippers, this side of the election.
FWIW,I can still see Labour and the Lib/Dems coming to some sort of arrangement after the election but only if Labour win the largest number of seats in the next Parliament.
callan
Striker
Do you not think they (the Lib Dems) will suffer the same damage if in coalition with Labour?
callan
Striker
How about that nice Mr Blair that used to run the country!:hilarious:
Like they would give a toss..they are in such a terrible state....lets face it they kept about zero of their policies last time....
Hear is a question..why on Earth do you believe anything any politician says 2 months before an election...do you really believe it is anything but spin and ******** to win votes? **** me they lie like a cheap watch whilst in power.
I don't get your point...are you trying to say he lied and the rest don't?
callan
Striker
Perhaps I'm just young and idealistic!
Yes fools rush in.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
That's certainly possible and if their current Chairman takes over the leadership from Clegg, he's already gone on record as saying he wouldn't go into a coalition with Labour (or the Tories again).
That still leaves the possibility of some sort of deal being made after the election,however, but not a formal coalition.
callan
Striker
Looks like we could have a right old mess come May!
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
Now there's something we could all agree on!
RHB
Return to Modnomor Mountain⭐⭐🦐
No we can't:nope:
Uncle Leo
This cook is an anti-semite
Salmond is doing a great job of dissuading people in England from voting Labour. From The Times (behind paywall so have copied and pasted rather than send a link)
The Scottish nationalists will exploit their power over a future Labour government by demanding billions in extra spending and the diversion of resources north of the border, Alex Salmond has declared.
In an extraordinary statement of intent, the former SNP leader said that his party was on course to hold huge sway over the first budget should Ed Miliband become prime minister. He signalled that starting the construction of the HS2 high-speed rail link in Scotland was set to be one of his top demands.
Mr Salmond added that Scottish independence was now “near inevitable”, hinting that a pledge to hold a new referendum could be included in the SNP manifesto for the 2016 Holyrood elections. “The story is not finished,” he told the BBC. Indicating just how aggressive he intended to be in any post-election deal, he added: “If you hold the balance, then you hold the power.” He said that the SNP would seek to block cutbacks, instead supporting more borrowing to “move away from austerity”.
Mr Salmond’s intervention was immediately exploited by the Conser-vatives to fuel fears that the SNP would wield considerable power should a minority Labour administration need its support.
The former first minister, who is running for a Westminster seat and is set to play a key role in any power- sharing talks, suggested that even a very loose agreement to back Labour on a vote-by-vote basis would hand the SNP the chance to amend Mr Miliband’s spending plans. It means the Labour leader will come under pressure to explain how he would stop the SNP from ambushing the budget when he gives a speech in Clydebank today.
Jim Murphy, Labour’s leader in Scotland, said yesterday that the nationalists would have “no bargaining chips” over a minority government because the party had already ruled out propping up the Tories.
David Cameron’s party unveiled a cartoon yesterday showing Mr Salmond playing a pipe, while Mr Miliband danced. The accompanying video claimed that a “deal with the SNP now seemed to be Ed Miliband’s only route to power”, and that its popular former leader would be able to “call the tune”.
Boris Johnson told The Times that a break-up of Britain was more likely if Labour entered into any sort of powersharing deal with the SNP.
“Labour would be drawn to feed the beast,” he said. “That’s what they have always done. They have created the problems by trying to appease Scottish nationalism. They have endlessly encouraged it rather than taking it on.”
A senior Labour source said: “This is ridiculous nonsense. We are working towards a majority government.”
The unprecedented collapse of Labour’s vote in Scotland means that the SNP now has a big chance of playing a role after the election. Some polls suggest that it will win more than 50 of Scotland’s 59 constituencies.
Mr Salmond, who is odds-on to win the Gordon constituency on May 7, said that the “more likely” deal between the two parties would be a vote-by-vote arrangement that would hand the SNP influence over Ed Balls’s first budget as chancellor.
Nicola Sturgeon, who succeeded Mr Salmond as leader, has put forward plans that would require Labour to spend an extra £7 billion by 2020. Asked if he wanted to block tax rises and spending cuts, Mr Salmond said: “Correct: that’s the proposal to be put forward.” He added: “Let’s say instead of this very, very slow train coming up from London, I think we should start it from Edinburgh/Glasgow to Newcastle and I put that down as a budget amendment... What does Mr Balls do then?”
Anna Soubry, the Tory defence minister who appeared with Mr Salmond during the television interview, said that the possibility of the SNP wielding such power was “terrifying”. “The thought that we are in a position where you can be actually controlling in the way that you have described... fills me with absolute horror,” she said.
The Scottish nationalists will exploit their power over a future Labour government by demanding billions in extra spending and the diversion of resources north of the border, Alex Salmond has declared.
In an extraordinary statement of intent, the former SNP leader said that his party was on course to hold huge sway over the first budget should Ed Miliband become prime minister. He signalled that starting the construction of the HS2 high-speed rail link in Scotland was set to be one of his top demands.
Mr Salmond added that Scottish independence was now “near inevitable”, hinting that a pledge to hold a new referendum could be included in the SNP manifesto for the 2016 Holyrood elections. “The story is not finished,” he told the BBC. Indicating just how aggressive he intended to be in any post-election deal, he added: “If you hold the balance, then you hold the power.” He said that the SNP would seek to block cutbacks, instead supporting more borrowing to “move away from austerity”.
Mr Salmond’s intervention was immediately exploited by the Conser-vatives to fuel fears that the SNP would wield considerable power should a minority Labour administration need its support.
The former first minister, who is running for a Westminster seat and is set to play a key role in any power- sharing talks, suggested that even a very loose agreement to back Labour on a vote-by-vote basis would hand the SNP the chance to amend Mr Miliband’s spending plans. It means the Labour leader will come under pressure to explain how he would stop the SNP from ambushing the budget when he gives a speech in Clydebank today.
Jim Murphy, Labour’s leader in Scotland, said yesterday that the nationalists would have “no bargaining chips” over a minority government because the party had already ruled out propping up the Tories.
David Cameron’s party unveiled a cartoon yesterday showing Mr Salmond playing a pipe, while Mr Miliband danced. The accompanying video claimed that a “deal with the SNP now seemed to be Ed Miliband’s only route to power”, and that its popular former leader would be able to “call the tune”.
Boris Johnson told The Times that a break-up of Britain was more likely if Labour entered into any sort of powersharing deal with the SNP.
“Labour would be drawn to feed the beast,” he said. “That’s what they have always done. They have created the problems by trying to appease Scottish nationalism. They have endlessly encouraged it rather than taking it on.”
A senior Labour source said: “This is ridiculous nonsense. We are working towards a majority government.”
The unprecedented collapse of Labour’s vote in Scotland means that the SNP now has a big chance of playing a role after the election. Some polls suggest that it will win more than 50 of Scotland’s 59 constituencies.
Mr Salmond, who is odds-on to win the Gordon constituency on May 7, said that the “more likely” deal between the two parties would be a vote-by-vote arrangement that would hand the SNP influence over Ed Balls’s first budget as chancellor.
Nicola Sturgeon, who succeeded Mr Salmond as leader, has put forward plans that would require Labour to spend an extra £7 billion by 2020. Asked if he wanted to block tax rises and spending cuts, Mr Salmond said: “Correct: that’s the proposal to be put forward.” He added: “Let’s say instead of this very, very slow train coming up from London, I think we should start it from Edinburgh/Glasgow to Newcastle and I put that down as a budget amendment... What does Mr Balls do then?”
Anna Soubry, the Tory defence minister who appeared with Mr Salmond during the television interview, said that the possibility of the SNP wielding such power was “terrifying”. “The thought that we are in a position where you can be actually controlling in the way that you have described... fills me with absolute horror,” she said.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
Actually,I think many left-wing Labour supporters will be grateful to the SNP for making the PLP realise that there is a genuine alternative to Balls' "Me too" austerity measures.
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Uncle Leo
This cook is an anti-semite
You're probably right there. But people who are more in the centre - e.g. the swathes of undecided voters in the Midlands who will decide this election - are likely to be turned off by this.
Tangled up in Blue
Certified Senior Citizen⭐🦐
The only people who matter in this election, (unfortunately),are those in the country's top 50/100 marginals.Many of those, as you say,are in the Midlands but not all.
The electoral maths means that Labour will almost certainly have to make some sort of deal with the SNP if they're to gain power.Salmond was very clear about this on the Marr show yesterday, talking about supporting Labour only on "a vote by vote" arrangement.
If the Tories can spin this "scare tactic" situation to their advantage, (as they're currently desperately trying to do), then of course they themselves stand a chance of being the largest political party in the next Parliament.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/23/labour-faces-electoral-rout-scotland-snp
Uncle Leo
This cook is an anti-semite
Desperately, or indeed justifiably. Both apply I guess.
Salmond really isn't liked in England and the more people realise a vote for Labour could see him in govt (as he's a cert to be an MP come May 8th) the more people will think twice about voting for them.
It is remarkable really that Labour have even found themselves in this position. An unpopular incumbent government with an alien creature as its Chancellor, the Lib Dems set to lose a bundle of seats as well and yet they are almost certainly going to have to forge a deal with the SNP.
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