Keep Mohsni, Clohessy, Grant, Corr, Barker and Morris. Dump the rest.

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

The above mentioned are in my view the only quality players we have. The rest are of Conference standard and need to be moved on. Paul Sturrock said that he was building not only a team that would be challenging this season, but with an eye for great things in Division 1. That now looks an absolute joke. With poor strikers apart from Corr, no creativity in midfield, wingers and defenders who can't score.

You may easily persuade me to keep Hall and Ferdinand on, as they both have something about them, along with potential.
As for the rest, they are absolute pants.

How do you see it?

 

[colonelnutter]

pretty much agree unfortunately (including Hall, Ferdinand who knows). having said that Coughlan has improved a lot so maybe him too?

but by and large agree mate

The above mentioned are in my view the only quality players we have. The rest are of Conference standard and need to be moved on. Paul Sturrock said that he was building not only a team that would be challenging this season, but with an eye for great things in Division 1. That now looks an absolute joke. With poor strikers apart from Corr, no creativity in midfield, wingers and defenders who can't score.

You may easily persuade me to keep Hall and Ferdinand on, as they both have something about them, along with potential.
As for the rest, they are absolute pants.

How do you see it?

 

[easton8]

No way keep Coughlan as a player! Not good enough for L2, and would get slaughtered by the extra pace in L1. Agree with those players, which I believe make a very strong spine. I'd maybe add Easton & Hall to that squad, and need to see more of Phillips. I remember watching him for Brentford and thinking he's a good centre half so I hope he can reach that form & fitness again.

 

[DTS]

Agree except I'm totally unsold on Clohessy.

Morris is ok but when you see Chesterfields keeper ****** that he was it does make you think that's what a keeper should look like. I would keep Hall as I think he is a raw talent and Ferdinand impresses me each time i see him but as for the rest.

Sturrock for my mind has got to make big changes this window if he hopes to salvage anything from the season.

 

[Just Who Is the 5 O'Clock Hero]

The above mentioned are in my view the only quality players we have. The rest are of Conference standard and need to be moved on. Paul Sturrock said that he was building not only a team that would be challenging this season, but with an eye for great things in Division 1. That now looks an absolute joke. With poor strikers apart from Corr, no creativity in midfield, wingers and defenders who can't score.

You may easily persuade me to keep Hall and Ferdinand on, as they both have something about them, along with potential.
As for the rest, they are absolute pants.

How do you see it?

i would also keep ferdinand but not morris i would look at getting a bigger more imposing / commanding keeper , but agree with the rest

 

[easton8]

Their keeper took a couple of crosses that were right on him, which most keepers would. One he stretched for he dropped and got away with. Hashed a clearance 10 yards to Hall, who if he'd hit it 1st time had an empty net but he got his head down and decided to go on a dribble. Got a strong hand to Corr's pen but it still went in (was a good pen). He smothered a chance from Ferdinand at an angle, but other than that I didn't think we tested him much at all.

 

[Brett Angle]

Don't want to take 'the wind out of your sails' chaps but if PS wants to bring anybody else in to ensure we retain our league status (yes forget spurious talk of players coming in with an eye on League 1- that has been the REAL extent of the club's ambitions this year all along) then he is going to have to move on a few players on first.

Speculation on replacements is premature because in all honesty who is going to want those players that we are willing to let go ? I suspect RM is not going to sanction paying up the remaining 6 months or so on the contracts of same (i.e. rewarding 'failure') and therefore I am predicting yet another underwhelming transfer window and much of the same on the field in the second half of the season.

It is perhaps more likely that PS is challenged to realise the club's ambition without the likes of Mohsni and Grant in order to boost the short-term coffers and lower the running costs still further. If that is the case can anyone give me directions to Forest Green Rovers ?

 

[southendkid]

Promotion is not this years target, if Sturrock was talking about league one class I think he was talking about the long term plan. Anyway I would possibly add Sturrock in as a substitute player, sometimes when our forwards are aimlessly running for balls, its good to get on someone who can hold the ball while players get into the box. Hall and Ferdinand can stay, Easton as well. Can't remember Phillips so give him a chance. If Grant's minor fame has gone to his head then I wouldn't mind seeing him go, he was one of the worst players yesterday, selfishness doesn't work in a team game. Crawford looks like a player for the future as well

 

[easton8]

Promotion is not this years target, if Sturrock was talking about league one class I think he was talking about the long term plan. Anyway I would possibly add Sturrock in as a substitute player, sometimes when our forwards are aimlessly running for balls, its good to get on someone who can hold the ball while players get into the box. Hall and Ferdinand can stay, Easton as well. Can't remember Phillips so give him a chance. If Grant's minor fame has gone to his head then I wouldn't mind seeing him go, he was one of the worst players yesterday, selfishness doesn't work in a team game. Crawford looks like a player for the future as well

Spot on. Agree with all of that.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'd want to keep Mohsni, Clohessy, Barker, Corr, Easton, Sturrock and Hall.

The likes of Morris, Gilbert can do a job at this level although I wouldn't particularly shed a tear if they went. Coughlan's OK for a 4th choice centre-back (ie plays in emergencies only and manages the reserves).

Too soon to judge Comminges, Ferdinand and Phillips (unless this is typical of his injury record). I'd see how Crawford develops as well.

I'd move on Grant who didn't look interested again and whose sale can raise some funds and buy in a lesser player who fits better into our team.

 

[superblue24]

Promotion is not this years target, if Sturrock was talking about league one class I think he was talking about the long term plan. Anyway I would possibly add Sturrock in as a substitute player, sometimes when our forwards are aimlessly running for balls, its good to get on someone who can hold the ball while players get into the box. Hall and Ferdinand can stay, Easton as well. Can't remember Phillips so give him a chance. If Grant's minor fame has gone to his head then I wouldn't mind seeing him go, he was one of the worst players yesterday, selfishness doesn't work in a team game. Crawford looks like a player for the future as well

PS said categorically in the summer prior to signing anyone that he was looking to sign players who could play at league one level.

 

[superblue24]

I agree with the thread starters analysis, except I think Sturrock and Hall are worth keeping hold of also. The rest are garbage.

 

[pringlejon]

PS said categorically in the summer prior to signing anyone that he was looking to sign players who could play at league one level.

He has also said more recently that he ended up with a few "panic buys" as we didnt have enough players to make up a team. It was always going to take time to see who was good enough. Hopefully as has been said we can move players out, and then sturrock can bring players in that he has been looking at over the past few months, rather than just a few days.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

PS said categorically in the summer prior to signing anyone that he was looking to sign players who could play at league one level.

And he's signed players for his spine like Corr, Mohsni, Barker, Clohessy and Easton that I'm confident can play at League One level. Indeed, I believe the majority have already played at league one level.

Nevertheless, I think it's unrealistic to expect him not to have to compromise on his aim in order to fill out the squad.

 

[tallboyblue]

The above mentioned are in my view the only quality players we have. The rest are of Conference standard and need to be moved on. Paul Sturrock said that he was building not only a team that would be challenging this season, but with an eye for great things in Division 1. That now looks an absolute joke. With poor strikers apart from Corr, no creativity in midfield, wingers and defenders who can't score.

You may easily persuade me to keep Hall and Ferdinand on, as they both have something about them, along with potential.
As for the rest, they are absolute pants.

How do you see it?

Problem 1 The players have contracts even if for one year only.Problem 2 We haven`t got any money so how can we sign anyone of note and if we could would they come with the club in the state it is in?

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Problem 1 The players have contracts even if for one year only.Problem 2 We haven`t got any money so how can we sign anyone of note and if we could would they come with the club in the state it is in?

I agree in what you are saying and know that to dump and replace is easier said than done. The point of the thread is to point out the main reasons we are in 17th position in the league, and that half the team are absolute crap.
So if it could be done, who would you keep and dump?

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

I wouldn't keep Coughlan because he's painfully slow, even tho fully commited.

As for Crawford, he's just another non scoring forward. You only have to watch him in the reserves to see he is not a natural goalscorer, with no pace and no trickery or nouse to get away from his marker. A bit short also, so doesn't win many headers. I am fully confident that this One will not come back to bite us if let go.

 

[Blue_Wes]

The above mentioned are in my view the only quality players we have. The rest are of Conference standard and need to be moved on. Paul Sturrock said that he was building not only a team that would be challenging this season, but with an eye for great things in Division 1. That now looks an absolute joke. With poor strikers apart from Corr, no creativity in midfield, wingers and defenders who can't score.

You may easily persuade me to keep Hall and Ferdinand on, as they both have something about them, along with potential.
As for the rest, they are absolute pants.

How do you see it?

Sadly I pretty much agree with you expect on Crawford, it seems a little early to judge him as a non-scoring forward and Morris, I have no faith in him as a keeper and it sets my nerves on edge every time the ball goes near him.

I would definitely keep Hall though. Unlike most he has shown regular glimpses of ability, he just needs to work on his match day consistency to ensure he doesn't drift out of games too often.

I would also like to see Patterson get a run in the side too, not just the odd game here and there before passing judgement; I still believe that given some time in the team he could prove himself to be a tidy forward in this league.

It is a little concerning that of the 21/22 players we have only 6/7 are considered good enough by the majority. I'm also concerned about Sturrock's lack of depth in his overall player knowledge. He seems to repeat sign a lot of players, suggesting he doesn't have a very big pool of player knowledge. Surely a manager of his experience and time in the game would have a big enough shortlist/network of players that he wouldn't need to just keep signing the same old players from clubs previously managed. Is the fact he continually signs the same players from previous clubs indicative of his lack of player knowledge, or of how bad a reputation we have that only players personally known to him would sign on his recommendation?

 

[EastStandBlue]

Sadly I pretty much agree with you expect on Crawford, it seems a little early to judge him as a non-scoring forward and Morris, I have no faith in him as a keeper and it sets my nerves on edge every time the ball goes near him.

I would definitely keep Hall though. Unlike most he has shown regular glimpses of ability, he just needs to work on his match day consistency to ensure he doesn't drift out of games too often.

I would also like to see Patterson get a run in the side too, not just the odd game here and there before passing judgement; I still believe that given some time in the team he could prove himself to be a tidy forward in this league.

It is a little concerning that of the 21/22 players we have only 6/7 are considered good enough by the majority. I'm also concerned about Sturrock's lack of depth in his overall player knowledge. He seems to repeat sign a lot of players, suggesting he doesn't have a very big pool of player knowledge. Surely a manager of his experience and time in the game would have a big enough shortlist/network of players that he wouldn't need to just keep signing the same old players from clubs previously managed. Is the fact he continually signs the same players from previous clubs indicative of his lack of player knowledge, or of how bad a reputation we have that only players personally known to him would sign on his recommendation?

It suggests more that he has a shortlist of players he can trust, and players who trusted Sturrock enough to join us on pre-contract deals in the summer.

 

[southendkid]

It suggests more that he has a shortlist of players he can trust, and players who trusted Sturrock enough to join us on pre-contract deals in the summer.

Agreed, on such short notice Sturrock isn't going to be able to sign players that don't have a relationship with him as a manager already