Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Benfleet A1]

Anyone else noticed that if a Labour MP speaks out against Corbyn or policies (when he actually announces any) is now instantly odious, blue tinged socialist or closet tory. I wonder who will get the blame when this ridiculous experiment with the hard left crashes and burns.

 

[rigsby]

Anyone else noticed that if a Labour MP speaks out against Corbyn or policies (when he actually announces any) is now instantly odious, blue tinged socialist or closet tory. I wonder who will get the blame when this ridiculous experiment with the hard left crashes and burns.

That's standard for the hard left when ever they get any sort of power anywhere in the world. Even in students union as well as my own union the LFB.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Anyone else noticed that if a Labour MP speaks out against Corbyn or policies (when he actually announces any) is now instantly odious, blue tinged socialist or closet tory. I wonder who will get the blame when this ridiculous experiment with the hard left crashes and burns.

That's standard for the hard left when ever they get any sort of power anywhere in the world. Even in students union as well as my own union the LFB.

More to the point, a mistaken position,IMO,has now been sensibly reversed.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34508959

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Maybe my dad's prediction that the PLP will oust him before then next GE will prove to be correct. Personally I doubt it, but you never know.

The only thing wrong with your Fathers prediction is the timing, I give it a year max. No one in their right mind is going to elect these monkeys and it's already coming apart. I said something about a SDP like party forming out of this, I can see a new party forming but it will be Corbyn's lot who go and form it. The PLP won't stand for this shambles for much longer.

 

[londonblue]

The only thing wrong with your Fathers prediction is the timing, I give it a year max. No one in their right mind is going to elect these monkeys and it's already coming apart. I said something about a SDP like party forming out of this, I can see a new party forming but it will be Corbyn's lot who go and form it. The PLP won't stand for this shambles for much longer.

In fairness to my dad, he didn't put a time scale on it, other than to say it will be before the next GE, and this is coming from someone who has been a Labour member all his life, up until about 2 years ago.

I can also see a new party being formed, but I think I disagree with you regarding who will form it. Don't forget, rightly or wrongly, Corby has a mandate from Labour party members, so it would be more likely that the more centre members of the current PL party will leave and start again.

As REM once said, "It's the end of the world as we know it!" (Ok, that was probably a bit melodramatic, but I love that song, and have been singing it all morning!)

 

[superblue24]

Strange, because they've had significant sign-up and the opinion polls suggest that since the GE Labour have improved a bit.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

But how many of that number were "Tories in Disguise" looking to register more votes for the hapless Corbyn? If I recall correctly, the Labour Party are not screening these memberships....

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

China being involved in UK nuclear stuff, other countries controlling our gas, electric and water, foreign companies dumping cheap steel on UK and thus the last steel, coke plant goes; all WRONG and weakens UK enormously and dangerously in a world on an edge of trading blocks and trade wars if not fighting wars. I am astounded no party or news reporter bangs on about the worries about all this.

Other countries having a stake in UK infrastructure is surely a disincentive for those countries to go to war with us (or let other countries go to war with us) as it would jeopardise their investment? Certainly other countries trading with us is a disincentive for them to get involved in a trade war with us.

Maybe the PLPloony left should realise that JCTB won the votegeneral election three times by a landslide and it's time to put the "NewOld Labour" into the ground where it firmly belongs.

Edited for accuracy

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

But how many of that number were "Tories in Disguise" looking to register more votes for the hapless Corbyn? If I recall correctly, the Labour Party are not screening these memberships....

Not true, lots of applications were rejected and Corbyn won a significant majority in all categories of voters including full membership so if any tinkering Tories did get through they merely donated some money to the Labour Party.

 

[mrsblue]

Hahaha even Chuka wades in with a swipe at the leadership of the LP.

Brilliant fun.

 

[superblue24]

Not true, lots of applications were rejected and Corbyn won a significant majority in all categories of voters including full membership so if any tinkering Tories did get through they merely donated some money to the Labour Party.

Do you know this for a fact? Do you know how many of the 100,000 shown in the graph were genuine Labour supporters versus right wing wind up merchants? I reckon it's more than you think as there was quite an "unofficial" campaign
in the Tory party iirc. I think some would be genuine Greens jumping ship to Labour with the change of stance though.

I don't think many would have been bothered by having to pay the £3 charge.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Other countries having a stake in UK infrastructure is surely a disincentive for those countries to go to war with us (or let other countries go to war with us) as it would jeopardise their investment? Certainly other countries trading with us is a disincentive for them to get involved in a trade war with us.

Consider the UK leaves the EU, might a french (or chinese) owned company put up prices for our imports of energy (or steel) while keeping lower prices for itself; thus subsidising its own industries in an unfair way? -=trade war.
Last time I checked ships, tanks, cars etc had a lot of metal in them and if we (the UK) don't produce any then isn't that lowering our ability to do so and putting us in a vulnerable and weaker position?
Would we allow China access to military bases carte blanche? I think not, yet allowing them to build power stations that rely on 100% upkeep and safety when they have huge explosions (remember that) in their dockyards, terrible safety, human rights and working issues (slave/prison camps).
YB, very often you write good stuff but the trend of taking the money NOW and not looking to the future of the UK is not a welcome trait of the current politicos (including Labour) that I agree with.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Do you know this for a fact? Do you know how many of the 100,000 shown in the graph were genuine Labour supporters versus right wing wind up merchants? I reckon it's more than you think as there was quite an "unofficial" campaign
in the Tory party iirc. I think some would be genuine Greens jumping ship to Labour with the change of stance though.

I don't think many would have been bothered by having to pay the £3 charge.

Yes, it was reported at the same time the overall result was reported - he won in every category. The wind up merchants - the joke is on them as they are now on the Labour Party database and will be targeted at every election, as well as making a small donation to the party fund. The reality is that most of the £3 voters were ex Labour voters bored by politics and wanting something different. Of those 15,000 signed up as full members within a week of the leadership result.

The results with membership category split:

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election

 

[superblue24]

The debt has risen to an eye watering level despite Tory claims that is has fallen. It hasn't. A 12% increase is just that...an increase.

You can't really expect us to cut the debt until the deficit goes into the black. Last time I checked it was down to about £100bn from £160bn when labour were in power. How would you clear your personal debt if you had to pay £800 per month on monthly debts and only earned £600? This is what is effectively happening in the UK at the moment until such time that the deficit is cleared....

 

[superblue24]

Yes, it was reported at the same time the overall result was reported - he won in every category. The wind up merchants - the joke is on them as they are now on the Labour Party database and will be targeted at every election, as well as making a small donation to the party fund. The reality is that most of the £3 voters were ex Labour voters bored by politics and wanting something different. Of those 15,000 signed up as full members within a week of the leadership result.

The results with membership category split:

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election

fair enough, I can accept he was the choice of the labour people, but I'm surprised more of you didn't go for someone who stood a better chance of challenging in the GE. I guess those hopes disappeared when Chuka stepped down, so it doesn't really matter which of the "also ran"s won in the end.

its a bit of a departure from my initial point which was how many of the 100k on Pubeys graph were genuine lefties and how many were Tories trying to bump up Corbyn? I guess we won't know the answer until the graph is updated.

 

[MK Shrimper]

fair enough, I can accept he was the choice of the labour people, but I'm surprised more of you didn't go for someone who stood a better chance of challenging in the GE. I guess those hopes disappeared when Chuka stepped down, so it doesn't really matter which of the "also ran"s won in the end.

its a bit of a departure from my initial point which was how many of the 100k on Pubeys graph were genuine lefties and how many were Tories trying to bump up Corbyn? I guess we won't know the answer until the graph is updated.

Because the Labour Party had drifted so far away from where it should have been. What's the point of voting for a party that is a virtual carbon copy of the Tories?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The biggest U-turn of the week was undoubtley the Tories (correct) decision to pull out of building that prison for the Saudis.

The way we cosy up to Saudi Arabia is a national disgrace.

How come none of the Kippers on here want to talk about that? :unsure:

 

[LCBB72]

The biggest U-turn of the week was undoubtley the Tories (correct) decision to pull out of building that prison for the Saudis.

The way we cosy up to Saudi Arabia is a national disgrace.

How come none of the Kippers on here want to talk about that? :unsure:

They should have all there cars that they park all over London on double yellow lines clamped towed away and fined like anyone else .:angry:

 

[MK Shrimper]

The biggest U-turn of the week was undoubtley the Tories (correct) decision to pull out of building that prison for the Saudis.

The way we cosy up to Saudi Arabia is a national disgrace.

How come none of the Kippers on here want to talk about that? :unsure:

Not just us, seemingly its the Western World. They are the root of the abhorrent brand of Wahabi Islam that is infecting the world, but hey - they buy our weapons and we buy their oil so they literally get away with mass murder.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Could someone produce a list of all the countries who we trade with who have never abused human rights. I trust Germany will be pretty high on the list as will Spain. Got to keep those morals up.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Could someone produce a list of all the countries who we trade with who have never abused human rights. I trust Germany will be pretty high on the list as will Spain. Got to keep those morals up.

Oh do me a favour, that was 70 years ago. In 2015, Saudi Arabia crucifies, beheads, delimbs and wants to apply 360 lashes 76 year old men who (stupidly) make some wine for their own consumption. We're all rightly quick to condemn and drop bombs on ISIS for doing the same, but because they've got a bit of oil & money we turn a blind eye to it?