Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[rigsby]

So far our left wing regulars have used all their usual tricks to avoid the truth about DA but so far not one of them has denied she has said racist comments. Which says it all really.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

781 whilst not ludicrous is my favourite....though I'm sure the wonderful Mrs Blue will also have some fantastic insights as well in this thread!

So, so many classic posts on this thread. I think it would make a great audiobook with each poster reading out their own posts with a shrill shout where appropriate and any post they are quoting they have to deliver in that 'what you say is what you are' sneery voice.

 

[Benfleet A1]

The clear sign of a lost argument when one has to resort to personal abuse. Unless I am mistaken and this is high level political satire.

The clear sign of a lost arguement is when one resorts to claims of racism when blantently ignoring the very same thing. As you seem incapable of admitting the blindingly obvious then I can only assume that some racism is more acceptable than the other.

That being the case then you must be as racist as the person you defend.

 

[rigsby]

781 whilst not ludicrous is my favourite....though I'm sure the wonderful Mrs Blue will also have some fantastic insights as well in this thread!

Yes that was classic Tangled. Starts with his History qualifications and then claims GB got no Marshall aid, when in fact we received the most.

 

[Uncle Leo]

781 whilst not ludicrous is my favourite....though I'm sure the wonderful Mrs Blue will also have some fantastic insights as well in this thread!

It was well worth going back through the thread to find that little beaut.

I know blowing one's own trumpet isn't really the done thing but I am proud of my reply to it.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Diane Abbott the racist:


On Twitter recently I posted a message to Nick Griffin that just said '**** off Nick, your vote is not wanted'. This was because Griffin (a man who I have taken a police truncheon for (against)) was saying he may vote Labour as the party least likely to start WW3. He was lying and he is a ****. Someone with many more followers than me basically said in that moment I spoke for all of the Left - which was nice.


I'm not trying to speak on behalf of the Left here but I may stumble across a collective consciousness, maybe.


I think, that we don't mind Diane Abbott so very much.


Personally I find her delivery uninspiring. She absolutely nails it sometimes - Windrush obviously, consistently, every time the Tories have been wrong on that she has told them so, even when the majority of her party weren't saying so. And that in itself is an advert for representation for all sections of society. Different communities experience things we don't experience and don't understand and they need representation. On other occasions she fails to think on her feet and makes herself look foolish. Inconsistent performances. But that is just PR, it's not really particularly significant IMO.


Diane Abbott - black working class female who got herself into Cambridge in the 1960's and then to be a Councillor and then to be an MP and then to an ever increasing majority because her constituents love her.


Diane Abbott - receives more abuse than any other MP and more than all of the other female MPs put together. On a daily basis. Never ending abuse.


Diane Abbott - the racist. Anti white. Also the woman who only got to where she is because she had a relationship with the leader of the Labour Party - a white male. Probably need to pick one, either she is anti white or got to where she is by sleeping with a white male. Pick one. They don't sit well together.


Diane Abbott - the racist. Is she though? Yes she has said some questionable things. Some she apologised for, some taken out of context, some - she gets more abuse than any other politician - I'd be ****ing angry, I'd lash out. I don't believe she is racist. She has not propagated any policies that are detrimental to any race. Can Theresa May say that? Diane has lashed out on very few occasions. Divide and rule - **** yes, of course that is used, its used in a classist way - and is that a white thing? Not that we, all whites do so but the ruling class use that for sure and they are white.


I have never felt unease being a white person in any situation because of my race. Football in the early 80's with National Front thugs kicking off - I didn't feel safe. Southend away at Rotherham 5 or so years ago when I had my kids with me and an EDL demo had come to an end and they were lined up at the train station and I shouted at a policeman 'keep those ***** away from the public' because it was hate ridden feral scum in my way and for my kids I didn't feel safe. Numerous ANL demos where BNP were being faced down I didn't feel safe.


As a white person with other races I have never felt unsafe. Racism exist in all communities and is always wrong. But I never feel it's aimed at me because I'm in the majority and if it exists it bounces off, I'm safe. I'm not scared. Diane Abbott gets vile abuse every damn day of her life. In the past she had occasionally lashed out. For me that's understandable. Every time I've got riled about racist abuse it's made me ****ing crazy and it's never even been aimed at me. Many times where there have been 'situations' and I've lashed out and it's never even aimed at me. She gets that but directed at her every ****ing day. And she on very few occasions has lashed out, verbally, using language that's way more polite than what I've used.


That's why I don't hold it against her. She doesn't hate you. Unless you are a Tory - in which case you deserve it (though the godfather of her son is a Tory so probably not even Tories (though you would deserve it)).


That's my take on it.

 

[maninasuitcase]

You always seem to have problem reading my posts and invent things. Nothing wrong with identifying yourself as black/British, its just that DA does not include the British bit.

As for your crass comparisons to Hitler or the KKK, I think you need to have a more worldly knowledge of issues like racism before you come back and slag other posters who clearly do. Your claim that only white people are racist proves you spend to much time in your suitcase.

Just to give you one quote from DA "The British invented racism"

I did not claim that Rigsby, actually the opposite. I think that once again you need to re-read my original post instead of just making stuff up.

This is what I actually said:

I agree that racism is not restricted to white people, there are plenty of examples in history where that is not the case, but let's face facts, white people enslaved black people for a long period of time. Even if you think that was in the past, there are plenty of people that think a black person should not have been elected president of the USA, including an ex member of Shrimperzone, or that they should not be allowed to marry into the royal family.​

Please post up an apology for lying again.

 

[rigsby]

I did not claim that Rigsby, actually the opposite. I think that once again you need to re-read my original post instead of just making stuff up.

This is what I actually said:

I agree that racism is not restricted to white people, there are plenty of examples in history where that is not the case, but let's face facts, white people enslaved black people for a long period of time. Even if you think that was in the past, there are plenty of people that think a black person should not have been elected president of the USA, including an ex member of Shrimperzone, or that they should not be allowed to marry into the royal family.​

Please post up an apology for lying again.

Lets look at post 4546 first. You have gone from a fool trying to troll to a fraud.

 

[rigsby]

That's why I don't hold it against her. She doesn't hate you. Unless you are a Tory - in which case you deserve it (though the godfather of her son is a Tory so probably not even Tories (though you would deserve it)).


That's my take on it.

Your certainly not the only extreme lefty who spends their whole life hating certain groups of people, like anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your views. You even hate history and like to change that. The far left are of course worse than any racist, at least they like their own people.

The woman who gets a lot more hate than Diane Abbott on here is Theresa May...Always by you. You even had to mention her whilst excusing Abbotts racism. That's known as a left wing apology...."Well she may done some silly things but there's far worse than her"

What the posts about DA have proved is we only have to look at the usual suspects attempts to discredit, attack other posters, deny evidence or resort to fraudulently miss quoting others. to know why the great British people don't trust you one bit...And rightly so.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Your certainly not the only extreme lefty who spends their whole life hating certain groups of people, like anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your views. You even hate history and like to change that. The far left are of course worse than any racist, at least they like their own people.

The woman who gets a lot more hate than Diane Abbott on here is Theresa May...Always by you. You even had to mention her whilst excusing Abbotts racism. That's known as a left wing apology...."Well she may done some silly things but there's far worse than her"

What the posts about DA have proved is we only have to look at the usual suspects attempts to discredit, attack other posters, deny evidence or resort to fraudulently miss quoting others. to know why the great British people don't trust you one bit...And rightly so.

1. Groups of people I hate: EDL - yes, BNP - yes, Tories - not really that's just a bit of light joshing
2. I hate history?!! Strange thing to say. Surely everyone hates some points in history?
3. Criticism of May is not hate. If you look at the language used on here against May and the language used against Abbott the two are very different.
4. When you quote a post it's polite to show the whole thing if the whole post is on one subject. If you just cut one bit out it loses context. And when you use speech marks don't put your own words in the speech marks - especially if you are then about to talk about misquotes. Irony alert!




You wanted an explanation and I offered one up at length - nice to see you appreciate it!

 

[maninasuitcase]

Lets look at post 4546 first. You have gone from a fool trying to troll to a fraud.

I think you are getting mixed up Rigsby, I didn't make post 4546.

 

[rigsby]

I think you are getting mixed up Rigsby, I didn't make post 4546.

No you didn't. What it does show is what your up to in post 4607. Just like your mate El Tangle you will now try and weasel out of it. Still that's what we have come to expect from the left, as your post have proved.

 

[GBJ]

I don't think providing evidence of Abbots racism is difficult in any shape or form, and she has had to apologise for it in the past.....so mudslinging is certainly isn't.

The weight of racism charges against Abbot are fairly compelling, one wonders if it shouldn't be those who support her that should be trying to convince us she has changed her ways and supplying the evidence.

I was asked by a few of the usual faces to provide some evidence, but I just couldn't be bothered. The facts are all out in the open & easily researchable. Unfortunately some people only see what they want to see.

Farage is such a racist that he married a German. and then took a French lover the racist ******* string him up.:facepalm:

The beauty of the lefty mentality. Pour scorn and shame upon a man who has never once made a racist remark (at least not publicly), yet duck, dance and swerve the point, when one of their own is forced to publicly apologise for her racist remarks.

And then complained about people in the carriage of his London-Kent bound train not speaking English. :facepalm:

So, pretty much the same as the majority of Spaniards, who complain about us not being able to speak EL Lingo.

Thats because its the first card they play in any discussion. Now when its pointed out they have a problem in their own party as we can see they become desperate and accuse any criticism of DA down to racism or misogyny. That's why we have never had a socialist government for 40 years and we ended up with Brexit.

Exactly this.

You know what, bollocks to you. If that page is false then why hasn't she or one of her staff done something about it? **** it, if you or anyone else are so blinkered to the hard cold truth then what do I care. You keep speaking up for the racist anti british IRA supporting old bint, I hope you get your wish and I'll be front and centre when it comes back to bite you in the arse to take the **** straight back.

Exactly this.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was asked by a few of the usual faces to provide some evidence, but I just couldn't be bothered. The facts are all out in the open & easily researchable. Unfortunately some people only see what they want to see.



The beauty of the lefty mentality. Pour scorn and shame upon a man who has never once made a racist remark (at least not publicly), yet duck, dance and swerve the point, when one of their own is forced to publicly apologise for her racist remarks.



So, pretty much the same as the majority of Spaniards, who complain about us not being able to speak EL Lingo.



Exactly this.



Exactly this.

:nope: I'd classify NF's comment as an xenophobic/ borderline racist remark.FWIW, I regulary catch an FGC train into Barna. A lot of tourists have been using this service since Easter.Can't say I've ever heard any of the regular Spanish/Catalan commuters complain about hearing other languages spoken in the carriage.

BTW,it's el Idioma.:smile:

 

[rigsby]

:nope: I'd classify NF's comment as an xenophobic/ borderline racist remark.FWIW, I regulary catch an FGC train into Barna. A lot of tourists have been using this service since Easter.Can't say I've ever heard any of the regular Spanish/Catalan commuters complain about hearing other languages spoken in the carriage.

BTW,it's el Idioma.:smile:

Would NF ever list his qualifications before answering a question.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Would NF ever list his qualifications before answering a question.

I'd agree that was a pompous post but it was some time ago.Sorry.

As far as NF is concerned,he's an odious man who's completely polluted the atmosphere in British politics

 

[C C Csiders]

I think you are getting mixed up Rigsby, I didn't make post 4546.

It was H from Steps who now suffers with dyscalculia

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I'd agree that was a pompous post but it was some time ago.Sorry.

Mods please delete this post – if a standard is set where people accept criticism and even worse issue an apology then this is the kind of forum I and many others won’t want to be a part of.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Would NF ever list his qualifications before answering a question.

would that entail listing his election defeats?

 

[rigsby]

Mods please delete this post – if a standard is set where people accept criticism and even worse issue an apology then this is the kind of forum I and many others won’t want to be a part of.

That sounds very pompous to me