Ailsa Road Shrimper
Coach
But Tilson's record is better than all of the above managers, plus he's Southend through and through.
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How much longer, for god's sake?
- Thread starter Mike_Marsh
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But Tilson's record is better than all of the above managers, plus he's Southend through and through.
Farmer Fossett
Youth Team⭐
I will get my coat!!!!
In fairness I do not see why any of the others are out of our league. Most have been out of jobs for some time and all are proven at a higher level than league 1. I know Holloway for one would bite Ron's hand off if offered the job.
Alan Pardew - failed at Wet Sham and Charlton, plays insipid football
Aidy Boothroyd - took Watford up and back down, plays long ball football
Iain Dowie - is certainly experienced, having had 6 managerial positions. He even managed to stay in one for over a year.
Ian Holloway - indifferent record at Bristol Rovers, sacked from QPR, not sure why left Plymouth, relegated Leicester.
Lawrie Sanchez - finished midtable twice at Wycombe before getting sacked when struggling in third season, good record with NI but how similar is club football to international football? Sacked from Fulham when he looked like taking them down. Long ball merchant
Paul Sturrock - great record at Plymouth, but disaster at Southampton, then sacked at Sheff Wed when they were bottom, decent spell at Swindon before moving back to Plymouth. Wouldn't move back. Has had similar successes to Tilly, but probably more failures.
Paul Simpson - good record at Carlisle led to move to Preston. Had good start at Preston before things went wrong and sacked. Now at Shrewsbury. Would Southend be a step forward for him and would he be a step forward for us? Managerial CV not any better than Tilson's.
Steve Cotteill - good record at Cheltenham, disaster at Sunderland, indifferent at Burnley. Plays long ball.
John Gregory - LOL
George Burley - :stunned:
Aidy Boothroyd - took Watford up and back down, plays long ball football
Iain Dowie - is certainly experienced, having had 6 managerial positions. He even managed to stay in one for over a year.
Ian Holloway - indifferent record at Bristol Rovers, sacked from QPR, not sure why left Plymouth, relegated Leicester.
Lawrie Sanchez - finished midtable twice at Wycombe before getting sacked when struggling in third season, good record with NI but how similar is club football to international football? Sacked from Fulham when he looked like taking them down. Long ball merchant
Paul Sturrock - great record at Plymouth, but disaster at Southampton, then sacked at Sheff Wed when they were bottom, decent spell at Swindon before moving back to Plymouth. Wouldn't move back. Has had similar successes to Tilly, but probably more failures.
Paul Simpson - good record at Carlisle led to move to Preston. Had good start at Preston before things went wrong and sacked. Now at Shrewsbury. Would Southend be a step forward for him and would he be a step forward for us? Managerial CV not any better than Tilson's.
Steve Cotteill - good record at Cheltenham, disaster at Sunderland, indifferent at Burnley. Plays long ball.
John Gregory - LOL
George Burley - :stunned:
HudsonNo1
Manager
Good thinking, lets replace the manager who has taken us from struggling to stay in the league to playing in the championship, and now to mid table league one football. Atleast we can spend good money on getting a top notch manager in...then we can provice him with millions to bring in qulity players to get us into the premiership withen 4 seasons...because lifes that easy!
Einstein
Esch Zhed Eff Schee
What I find quite laughable is that you have made 16 posts in your time on SZ.com and 14 of them have been after Tilly being sacked going back to May 2007.
Not often I agree totally with your posts, but this is one of those exceptional times.
Benfleet Blue
First XI
Sorry but I dont think that's an appropriate response. It's unfortunately down to ST and RM that we failed to replace players and how would anyone understand that we would end up as a team of loanees.
I personally dont anticipate any month being 'rubbish' but expect a manager to be able to motivate his players to at least show some commitment. ST seems totally unable to do that.
If ST had brought in 1 or 2 defenders on loan instead of 3 wingers, then that would have been prudent and showed some sense, but he didn't and that all goes down to simply bad planning and bad management.
He has no choice of personnel at the moment and that is quite simply down to naive and poor management.
Farmer Fossett
Youth Team⭐
99% of Managers have been considered failures at certain clubs (only current exceptions are Sir Alex and Wenger).
Look at Phil Brown who many considered a disaster at Derby and is now working Miracles at Hull or even possibly the likes of Mick McCarthy at Sunderland. There are many Managers who have had bad spells at clubs who have turned into brillian Managers at other clubs.
Your argument holds no merit!
ps. I was on the **** last night and on arriving back took a sample of names from the league Managers Wesite without any though!!! I still believe that most would do a great job at Souhend especilaly top 5 from list!
BrettieAngell
THE ROCK GOD
Get a grip IF we could afford any of them and IF they even wanted to come here at the first sniff of another job in the CCC they will bugger off anyway!
* ORM *
Still Loves Emma Bunton. Roy McDonough is God!
The simple answer to the question is that he has a January transfer window coming up. No manager can survive on previous triumphs, no matter how much of a legend they are. If things don't change towards the end of February his time could be up.
i'm sorry, but you clearly don't remember the dark days. the truth is do we want to go back to the likes of rob newman? steve wignall? tilly is by far the best manager in southends history based on his acheivements.
Csboy
Manager
Isn't he Scotland's manager at the moment? Like he would leave managing his native country to come to Southend!!!!
All the other managers on your list are way out of Southend's wage structure anyway plus we would have to pay off Tilson and Brush who are contracted until 2010. Which is something the 'Tilson out morons' fail to realize.
Things are not that bad we are half way in the table right now. I am pretty confident Tilson can turn things around and at least lead us to safety.
Richard_Cadette
The Realist
Whether you want Tilly replaced or not, it would be entirely foolish to not realise that we have a bit of a problem right now. You can choose to lay the blame on the doorstep of different people - Tilly for buying players of an inadequate skill level to compete at this level, or perhaps Uncle Ron for not supplying the money for Tilly to go out and buy a team.
You simply cannot just dismiss out of hand peoples views regarding Steve Tilson when the team are at the moment. seemingly in free fall.
For the record, I am not sure a change in manager would solve the current problem, but if we get to the end of January, and we are showing no signs of improvement after the club has had the opportunity to rectify the problem in the transfer window, then that would be a huge concern for everyone.
I said, a month or so ago, that not bringing in the players whilst we had the chance in the loan window would come back to bite us in December. Yorkshire Blue almost dismisssed my concerns, in fact he suggested that should we only lose Macca for one game through suspension, that would be no problem. Well 3 games into December, 3 defeates, 7 goals conceded and none scored! Add that to 7 league games without a win, and that is a signal something is seriously amiss somewhere.
Tilson is without question at the most difficult part of his career to date - In the championship, as dissapointing as it was at times, it was always going to be tough to make an impression. This season, however, after the exploits of the playoffs last year, should have been one everyone looked forward to with optimism and expectation. He now fins himself in charge of a ship which is desperately sailing off course, and this will see whether or not he has what it takes to be a top class manager. Every manager has faced adversity in their time, it's how you deal with that adversity that will shape you as a manager.
The team we have right now simply can't do any better than they are doing - we just don't have the talent in the right areas, so it has to come down to what he does in January. If that period is not successful, I hope no one on here, or in the club, think we're too good to get involved in a dog fight at the wrong end of the table, because no amount of pretty football will detract from the realisation that we are headed that way.
You simply cannot just dismiss out of hand peoples views regarding Steve Tilson when the team are at the moment. seemingly in free fall.
For the record, I am not sure a change in manager would solve the current problem, but if we get to the end of January, and we are showing no signs of improvement after the club has had the opportunity to rectify the problem in the transfer window, then that would be a huge concern for everyone.
I said, a month or so ago, that not bringing in the players whilst we had the chance in the loan window would come back to bite us in December. Yorkshire Blue almost dismisssed my concerns, in fact he suggested that should we only lose Macca for one game through suspension, that would be no problem. Well 3 games into December, 3 defeates, 7 goals conceded and none scored! Add that to 7 league games without a win, and that is a signal something is seriously amiss somewhere.
Tilson is without question at the most difficult part of his career to date - In the championship, as dissapointing as it was at times, it was always going to be tough to make an impression. This season, however, after the exploits of the playoffs last year, should have been one everyone looked forward to with optimism and expectation. He now fins himself in charge of a ship which is desperately sailing off course, and this will see whether or not he has what it takes to be a top class manager. Every manager has faced adversity in their time, it's how you deal with that adversity that will shape you as a manager.
The team we have right now simply can't do any better than they are doing - we just don't have the talent in the right areas, so it has to come down to what he does in January. If that period is not successful, I hope no one on here, or in the club, think we're too good to get involved in a dog fight at the wrong end of the table, because no amount of pretty football will detract from the realisation that we are headed that way.
sufcalways
Manager
Well Tilly will turn it all around, whether its in january or next season. He is human and he wouldve learnt lessons, like bring in more defenders, not to many loanees maybe?? Or both.. and try spend some money :)
DTS
The Business
Its this type of post (The intital one not mine hopefully) that makes me wonder why Tilly and Brush ****ing bother.
They have taken us from the brink of non-league into a resonable mid-table league one side with championship asperations. No-one could have dreamed of the sucess that Tilly has brought to this club when he first took over and to make it even better he is one of our own.
Tilly has not lost it just becuase we had had a few bad results. We lost some quality players in the summer in Bailey and more importantly Gower and players like that dont grow on trees. He showed us that he can still spot a player (Sawyer,Harding,JFC,HRK,Federeci,Junior) yet clearly the purse strings are tight until we move to a new home.
All the people mentioned as possible replacements have no connection or loyalty to us as a club or us as Southenders. They are just journeymen looking to use us as a stepping stone to better things. Steve Tilson is Southend through and through.
This time last year we were probably in a similar position and he worked wonders in January to get us to the play offs. Who is to say he wont this year? And if we dont make it so ****ign what - Is a year of mid-table really the end of the world. Of course we all want the title etc but if we dont for one year getting us one year closer to Fossetts Farm then so what.
Its about time some on here took a ****ing reality check. A bad run of form does not turn a good manager into a bad one. Winning runs and bad runs happen its football. Time for some loyalty and to get behind the boys rather than turn on them I think......
They have taken us from the brink of non-league into a resonable mid-table league one side with championship asperations. No-one could have dreamed of the sucess that Tilly has brought to this club when he first took over and to make it even better he is one of our own.
Tilly has not lost it just becuase we had had a few bad results. We lost some quality players in the summer in Bailey and more importantly Gower and players like that dont grow on trees. He showed us that he can still spot a player (Sawyer,Harding,JFC,HRK,Federeci,Junior) yet clearly the purse strings are tight until we move to a new home.
All the people mentioned as possible replacements have no connection or loyalty to us as a club or us as Southenders. They are just journeymen looking to use us as a stepping stone to better things. Steve Tilson is Southend through and through.
This time last year we were probably in a similar position and he worked wonders in January to get us to the play offs. Who is to say he wont this year? And if we dont make it so ****ign what - Is a year of mid-table really the end of the world. Of course we all want the title etc but if we dont for one year getting us one year closer to Fossetts Farm then so what.
Its about time some on here took a ****ing reality check. A bad run of form does not turn a good manager into a bad one. Winning runs and bad runs happen its football. Time for some loyalty and to get behind the boys rather than turn on them I think......
Csboy
Manager
Great post agree totally. Sadly there will always be these idiots who think that we have to sack the manager after we lose a few games. What none of them have suggested is a suitable replacement. Also Ron Martin's track record of appointing managers is hardly inspired. He only found Tilson by accident and was after Ian Atkins who I am sure would have been a disaster. Ron Martin appointed Webb, Newman and Wignall all of whom did nothing while at Southend and in Wignall's case would have taken us out of the League if he hadn't been sacked.
Even if we are relegated this season I would still stick with Tilson as I beleive he could get us back up again. We have achieved more in the last 5 years until Tilson than in the previous 95 years in the clubs history. Getting rid of him would be crazy.
I feel its a little different now to when we appointed Tilly , we were in the bottom tier and also near rock bottom , we wasn't an attraction to any manager , our stadium is a **** hole and the changing rooms and facilities are worse than many that i play in week in week out .
If Ron was to act now and get rid of Tilly ( i hope he doesn't ) but i believe with us being in league 1 and with a new stadium on the horizion we are a better attraction than many may believe .
I would be sad to see tilly go cos of what he has done for us , but it seems that the same mistakes keep getting made , sloppy defending , not enough bite , not enough hunger and not enough quailty . Who shoulders the blame for this if its not Tilly as some won't hear a bad word agaisnt him .
Who prepares the players , who buys these players , who motivates these players and who picks the formation , because whoever it is , is getting it very very wrong at the moment .
For once i reckon it is time for tilly to come out and rollock his players publicly , back 4 let in 3 goals a game , who starts the next game , the same back 4 . Its ok cos we have been unlucky , that don't wash with me at the moment .
We have been spineless end of story and it needs to be addressed soonewr rather than later . Change our manager - no , change our personel , tatics , preperation and possibly formation - yes .
Richard_Cadette
The Realist
A gret post DtS - stirring stuff indeed.
I will take issue with a couple of points though. Whilst losing/winning runs are part and parcel of the life of a football manager, it's not the run we're on that people have the issue with. It's the inherent lack of quality we have in our squad which means that a losing run could end up turning into something far more terminal. In seasons past, despite having periods of being out of form, you always believed Tilly had the players at his disposal to halt a bad run, and the players we knew were capable of better - at the moment, I'm not sure we know either. While all of Tilly's achivements have been fabulous, should the worst case scenario come true in May, we would be back where we started.
The other point is, we should not blindly back someone just because he is one of us. Tilly has to be in the job because he earns it on merit - not because he is a legend of a footballer for this club, nor that he has always been a part of this area. I'm not saying he hasn't earnt the right - of course he has, he has been amazing, but sentiment and football are not good bed fellows. This is kind of the issue I have with Barrett at the moment - people forgive his lack of ability because he bleeds blue blood - that approach can be dangerous.
No mistake though, great post, and you're right - they need OUR support more than ever right now.
Nobby Snide
Guest
Danny Wilson and Paul Ince,to name but two managers who are currently out of work...just a thought
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