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Pre-Match Thread HMRC v SUFC - FINAL hearing on 1st March. DISMISSED

Outcome of HMRC court case 1 March


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Yep, I think this is sometimes being lost. Ronnie doesn't even seem sure that Fossett's building work will begin over the summer. If it doesn't, how much of a delay are we talking? Will the bridging finance last long enough to cover a delay? Or are we going to be back here in 5 or 6 months' time?
I think the issue is we are a football club. As has been proven endlessly at other clubs a new owner doesn't even guarantee against future financial problems. Regrettably. So if we are looking for guarantees we probably won't get any.

This owner needs to hand over the reigns and sell. But we don't get to chose the next one either...
 
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I think the issue is we are a football club. As has been proven endlessly at other clubs a new owner doesn't even guarantee against future financial problems. Regrettably. So if we are looking for guarantees we probably won't get any.

This owner needs to hand over the reigns and sell. But we don't get to chose the next one either...
Really?? That's totally outrageous, we should be balloted across all the supporters groups, with the exception of the Trust, (bunch of fanboys) so we can have the final say. :Winking:
 
Have you any evidence for this despite Stan saying he isn't? Or is it yet another rumour that will become fact through likes, reposts and people just wanting it to be true?
Just another unsubstantiated rumour mate, fuelled by this absolute dumpster fire of a situation we're in.

And you know what @Shrimper2000, who really gives a **** either way if he's picking up a wage, it's not like he's going to be collecting it anyway.

Regarding external investment, Ron's hand is significantly weaker than it's ever been. His financial negligence and the club's plight is slowly seeping out into the public domain, meaning any leverage is diminishing with it. If he can secure the bridging loan, it'll be just that - a sticking plaster when the situation warrants full invasive surgery (a Ronectomy). Then we'll just be down this same road in X months time when the latest delay to the project happens.
 
Stan is on a wage. Laughable if anyone thinks he isn’t.
You really don't know what you're talking about. It would have got out by now if he was. Those within the club are saying he's not being paid a wage. He says he isn't. Trouble makers and s stirrers say he is. I believe Stan and the staff. Again, why bring Stan into this? Him and Tom have been absolutely brilliant for the club. The trouble is they don't shout from the rooftops what they are doing. So they do all this good work behind the scenes, and then have to put up with made up crap. If you really support this club, point your gun at the person that deserves it. And by the way. Up to now I have a 100% record of inside knowledge. Players coming in, players leaving, Manager coming in, Larsson not coming in(A done deal some said), etc, ect. I don't share much, as can only say when given permission. But I can tell you he is not being paid. Let's leave Stan alone. He's dealing with the loss of someone close to him. He should be getting thanks and praise on here.
 
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I get that the focus is on the finance ( or lack of ) but if enough funding becomes available to pay the HMRC debt and we are not 'wound up' on 1st March , from a purely 'football' perspective, all of the great progress made this season will be lost.
Good players will almost certainly leave and our ability to attract replacements of the same calibre are extremely unlikely - who would come ?
I get this is all secondary compared to the huge matter of actually having a club to support , but the knock on effect will be huge IMO.
I guess a change of owner / chairman may clear some of the fog , but either way it's a tough road ahead as a team.
 
The other directors need to take some responsibility. It's not just Martin that seems to lack a sense of morsllity about what's happening. Also, how can the CEO and the main sponsors remain silent in the face of this outrageous state of affairs?
Can you let me know what they have or haven't done in the past, as you seem to know?
 
I don't think Stan has lied to be honest, I'm sure he mentioned something about pay when he pulled out (for the 12th time) before actually taking the job that Ron had changed the terms etc and alluded to pay.

I have no way of knowing whether Stan's paid or not but I can't see someone doing a job for free, even if the pay he gets just covers his petrol to and from games/meetings etc. Who knows, maybe he hasn't taken a penny.
Even if Stan is paid (and I do not think he is) he is still not being paid.....if you get my drift.
 
Can you let me know what they have or haven't done in the past, as you seem to know?
Absolutely no idea. The point I was (obviously unsuccessfully) trying to make is that there comes a time when people need to speak out and publicly disassociate themselves from an intolerable situation otherwise by their silence they are tacitly accepting their role in enabling this person to drag the club down to ever worsening levels of disrepute and ignominy.
 
It seems to me that talk of protests player's strikes etc is just a waste of time.

As things stand the only relevant detail is can Ron (or anyone) find a cool five million in the next two weeks.

If I thought any form of protest would help find the money I would say go for it. As it will not I say do not bother.

It is out of our hands. How close or far we are from a last minute reprieve is anyone's guess. If there are any substantive negotiations under way most on the board will be the last to hear about it.

To me the only thing that makes less sense than the economics of football are the expectations of fans!

I hope it all ends well but it is really not looking that way is it?

Whoever starts the Phoenix Club as long as it is called Southend United tap me up for one hundred quid once you are admitted to any league and have a fixture list.

Not looking good. Sure Ron has a lost to answer for but it is just amazing to me he has kept the show on the road as long as he has. For that he deserves some credit which will only be given by me and about five others on SZ.
 
Sure Ron has a lost to answer for but it is just amazing to me he has kept the show on the road as long as he has. For that he deserves some credit which will only be given by me and about five others on SZ.
RM is not keeping the show on the road. To further that metaphor, we have exited the carriageway and crashed into a field hundreds of metres away, hoping and praying that the emergency services will get to us in time or even find us.

The largely unpaid staff and players who keep turning up are the only ones ensuring SUFC remains running between now and 1st March.

PS. the rest of your post I largely agree with.
 
RM is not keeping the show on the road. To further that metaphor, we have exited the carriageway and crashed into a field hundreds of metres away, hoping and praying that the emergency services will get to us in time or even find us.

The largely unpaid staff and players who keep turning up are the only ones ensuring SUFC remains running between now and 1st March.
I did not express myself well enough. I was not referring to the present situation but by 'keeping the show on the road' I meant the period 2000-2022.
 
It seems to me that talk of protests player's strikes etc is just a waste of time.

As things stand the only relevant detail is can Ron (or anyone) find a cool five million in the next two weeks.

If I thought any form of protest would help find the money I would say go for it. As it will not I say do not bother.

It is out of our hands. How close or far we are from a last minute reprieve is anyone's guess. If there are any substantive negotiations under way most on the board will be the last to hear about it.

To me the only thing that makes less sense than the economics of football are the expectations of fans!

I hope it all ends well but it is really not looking that way is it?

Whoever starts the Phoenix Club as long as it is called Southend United tap me up for one hundred quid once you are admitted to any league and have a fixture list.

Not looking good. Sure Ron has a lost to answer for but it is just amazing to me he has kept the show on the road as long as he has. For that he deserves some credit which will only be given by me and about five others on SZ.
Ron deserves some credit? **** me, I give up, what is wrong with some of our fans.

The guy has ruined the club to the point we’re on the brink of extinction, and yet you still want to give him some sort of credit.

He’s had chances both in the past and present to get us out of this mess with financial help and investment, but has chose not to for his own personal greed, so like **** does that man deserve any credit whatsoever!!
 
I did not express myself well enough. I was not referring to the present situation but by 'keeping the show on the road' I meant the period 2000-2022.
I think he can take some credit for some parts up to 2019, but even then we were blemished by a serious threat of administration in 2009, non-payment of players, decimation of our squad, not to mention the repeated winding up orders starting in Oct/Nov 2019.
 
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I would like to know, assuming the HMRC debt and other outstanding debts are cleared, exactly what is being done to ensure Expenditure doesn't exceed Income. Otherwise in a matter of months we will be back to square 1.
 
I would like to know, assuming the HMRC debt and other outstanding debts are cleared, exactly what is being done to ensure Expenditure doesn't exceed Income. Otherwise in a matter of months we will be back to square 1.
Can’t see anyway forward even if everything is cleared plus also he needs to make payments on the loan as well
 
Ron deserves some credit? **** me, I give up, what is wrong with some of our fans.

The guy has ruined the club to the point we’re on the brink of extinction, and yet you still want to give him some sort of credit.

He’s had chances both in the past and present to get us out of this mess with financial help and investment, but has chose not to for his own personal greed, so like **** does that man deserve any credit whatsoever!!
That is ok....it is my opinion, as, already noted, I expect most to disagree.

Fact is the finances of SUFC have been ramshackle for longer than I care to remember.
 
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