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Hillsborough anniversary

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Napster said:
Clubs not being allowed to play in Europe really affected Southend's fortunes.
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definitely affected Oxford United, I didn't realise until today that they missed out on a Europe place due to the ban after Heysel
 
Pubey said:
definitely affected Oxford United, I didn't realise until today that they missed out on a Europe place due to the ban after Heysel
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Im guessing Luton and Wimbledon would also have missed out due to this, as well as a very talented Everton side not getting to compete in the European Cup. (Did Wimbledon ever make it into UEFA Cup once the ban was lifted?).
 
Read this, from The Guardian article, and you wonder why there hasn't been further action against the Police for their actions that day.

At the inquest in March 1991, the coroner ruled that everyone who'd been killed at Hillsborough had died of traumatic asphyxia, and that they were all dead or brain dead by 3.15pm. This ruling was crucial, because it meant there could be no investigation into the actions of the South Yorkshire police after this time. Questions like why were over 40 ambulances not allowed into the ground, and why did the police not activate the major accident plan until 3.55pm couldn't be examined because everyone was meant to be dead at 3.15pm. The jury returned a verdict of accidental death.

But an off-duty policeman at the match, a Mr Bruder, gave a statement that he gave Kevin the kiss of life at 3.37pm, as he still had a pulse. There had also been a WPC at the game who said she'd held Kevin in her arms when he died, and that it was a few minutes before 4pm. She gave Kevin heart massage, and his ribs were moving. He started breathing, and he still had colour. He opened his eyes and murmured the word "Mum". Then he died. How could Kevin have opened his eyes and called for me if he'd been brain dead for 40 minutes?

In 1991 Dr Iain West, a leading pathologist (he'd worked on the King's Cross fire, the Brighton bombing and the Clapham rail crash), looked into Kevin's case for me. The inquest had ruled that Mr Bruder had mistaken Kevin's pulse for his dead body twitching. But Dr West told me that a body simply won't twitch from 3.15 to 3.37, so at that point Mr Bruder must have been dealing with a live body. From the autopsy report and post-mortem photographs, Dr West concluded that Kevin hadn't died of traumatic asphyxia, but of neck injuries, which closed down his airways. (Dr Carey, the pathologist who worked on the Soham murders, was of the same opinion.) Kevin, and others who died, could have been saved, he said. A tracheotomy (a quick incision into the windpipe), or even the insertion of a rubber tube down the throat, would've reopened Kevin's airways. An ambulance attendant would have known how to perform a tracheotomy. But the police wouldn't let the ambulances on to the pitch.
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Disgusting.
 
number11 said:
Interesting. Given Liverpool's European dominance at the time (4 European Cups and a final in previous 8 years) and their domestic dominance for the 5 years after the ban, would they have let Man U catch up and go past them in terms of size / achievement if it wasnt for that ban....
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Maybe but not to the extent in which they did.

Heysel and Hillsbrough was a double whammy which not many clubs would have come through unscathed, if it wasn't for Hillsbrough Dalglish wouldn't have left for a start and things went downhill quite quickly after that.
 
EastStandBlue said:
Read this, from The Guardian article, and you wonder why there hasn't been further action against the Police for their actions that day.



Disgusting.
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There was a testimony from one Ambulanceman who got on the pitch but that was covered up at the inquest also. If the 40 ambulancemen were allowed on immediately, many lives would have been saved.
 
Hillsborough

ITV 3 9pm

Docu-drama, first shown in 1999, following three families through the catastrophe and subsequent legal struggles following the deaths of 96 people as a result of overcrowding on the terraces during the 1989 FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest at the home ground of Sheffield Wednesday. Christopher Eccleston stars, with Ricky Tomlinson, Annabelle Apsion, Rachel Davies, Tracey Wilkinson and Mark Womack SUB
 
Pubey said:
Hillsborough

ITV 3 9pm

Docu-drama, first shown in 1999, following three families through the catastrophe and subsequent legal struggles following the deaths of 96 people as a result of overcrowding on the terraces during the 1989 FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest at the home ground of Sheffield Wednesday. Christopher Eccleston stars, with Ricky Tomlinson, Annabelle Apsion, Rachel Davies, Tracey Wilkinson and Mark Womack SUB
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Fantastic documentary but not for the faint hearted. Think I heard that somebody who survived Hillsborough committed suicide after watching it.
 
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