General Boxing Thread

[GBJ]

I didn't even bother try to get tickets for the Joshua fight this time. The more entertaining fight will be Groves vs Murray. I Was more focused on the Fury fight. I knew Joshua's would be a bit of a nothing fight and like GBJ says it won't go past two. I would much rather see him fight Whyte again or wait for Chisora if he wins against Pulev on the 21st. But Hearn likes to wrap his fighters in bubble wrap which is why he won't be tested anytime soon. The bloke needs a challenge he needs a fight against a proven fighter and for me the perfect opponent at the moment would be Chisora!

I don't think Hearn will be willing to work with Chisora anytime soon. Don't forget, Hearn already offered him a £750k purse, back when AJ wasn't a World (paper) Champion. AJ simply doesn't need Chisora anymore, especially Not when Hearn can throw him in against any old bum, & still have it as PPV.

I see the delights of 'the best heavyweight in the world' (chuckle) will be free to air on Dave once again. It will be another oh my god look how amazing David Haye is after he knocks the guy out in the early rounds. Well done Haye you knocked out another bum who before you fought him no one had heard of. Prove yourself a fight a name that people know! If you are as you self proclaim the best heavyweight in the world/universe then fight someone of some worth! The bloke gets on my tits I'd love Briggs to knock him out.

Did you know, that his last outing on Dave had over 3 million viewers? That's quite outstanding. The record PPV buy in this country, was Hatton-Mayweather, at just over 1m IIRC.

As I mentioned before, I'm going, but Im looking forward to a night on the lash, more than a night of actual boxing excitement. I'd like to see him in against a half decent, genuine top-10 contender by the end of the year. Maybe Pulev, or he loser of Takam & Parker.

Khan vs Canelo early hours of Sunday morning and I cannot wait. Just to see another one of my most hated boxers getting destroyed. And hopefully it will set up the super fight that is Canelo vs GGG. Also to note super bantamweight fighter Diego De La Hoya will be on the undercard. He is Oscar's cousin and is undefeated in 14 bouts.

As I've said before, I've never been a Khan fan. I fully understand why he does the things he does, but I've never been a fan.
Until tomorrow.

Khan deserves serious plaudits for even considering facing Canelo. After rehydration, we're most likely talking about a weight difference of 14-21lbs. That's mad. That's like Scott Quigg or Carl Frampton, stepping in with Terrence Crawford, Adrien Broner, Ruslan Providnikov or Lucas Matthysse.

Common sense & logic says Canelo eventually walks Khan down and stops him mid-late. Khan will probably win rounds & hold his own for large parts. But I'm sure either that ill-discipline will kick in eventually, and/or the sheer weight difference will affect him. That's what I'm going with. Canelo stoppage in the 8th-9th.

That being said, after Fury shocking the world in Germany, part of me is wondering, could this have a similar outcome.
Canelo has struggled with fighters who have quick hands & feet. He lost every round against Floyd & looked in trouble during the early rounds against Cotto. Khan's adding a lot of weight to what he's used to. If his fitness & speed are the same as they are at 147lbs, then possibly. He would need to be resilient throughout. Don't engage or trade shots. Just apply the stick & move style, that Haye used to beat Valuev, or Groves used to beat DeGale.

I'll stick with the Canelo stoppage victory, but wouldn't be overly shocked if Khan actually did it. And for once in his career, he'll have my full support. WAR Khan!!

 

[GBJ]

Even if you tried getting tickets for AJ that would've been a struggle, sold out in 30 minutes! Do agree that Groves V Murray is a big fight, looking forward to that. Im also with you that Joshua should most definitely rematch Dillian Whyte - Am I right in thinking that Whyte will be on the undercard for AJ v Breazeale? Im sure Eddie Hearn mentioned it.

As usual, same as AJ's past few fights, despite Hearn crowing about a "sell-out" half of the tickets ended up on StubHub within minutes for a 300% markup. I was fairly lucky to get mine.

Also, Ricey and GBH. What do you make of Crolla and Barroso? Obviously leaning towards Crolla but Barroso is a dangerous fighter as we have seen from the Kevin Mitchell fight.

Gotta be honest, I've never been totally convinced about Crolla's ability. That said, Barroso won't have faced anyone as good as Crolla. It's a genuine 50/50 fight. Literally can't split them.

 

[Ricey]

Even if you tried getting tickets for AJ that would've been a struggle, sold out in 30 minutes! Do agree that Groves V Murray is a big fight, looking forward to that. Im also with you that Joshua should most definitely rematch Dillian Whyte - Am I right in thinking that Whyte will be on the undercard for AJ v Breazeale? Im sure Eddie Hearn mentioned it.

Also, Ricey and GBH. What do you make of Crolla and Barroso? Obviously leaning towards Crolla but Barroso is a dangerous fighter as we have seen from the Kevin Mitchell fight.

Just out of interest Ricey, whats with the hate towards Khan? Surely it would be great for British boxing if he can somehow get a win?

I managed to get tickets to the Joshua vs Martin fight which allegedly sold out in 90 seconds! But I was very lucky and on the night was surrounded by StubHub customers. Who paid 3 times what I paid.

Barroso is a tough test for Crolla and will cause him trouble. I know it was an old Kevin Mitchell but he butchered him. He's one of the most dangerous in that division. I like Crolla but like GBJ I can't call it!

I don't know his attitude and how he thinks he's the best of the best and thinks he can just walk into the ring against Mayweather and Pacquio. But yet the guy he keeps ducking, Kell Brook would destroy him. I understand he's fighting for the money but I don't think he deserves these fights, he's earnt this reputation with not doing a great deal apart from having fast hands. I've never known someone with so many set backs get more chances.

 

[Ricey]

I don't think Hearn will be willing to work with Chisora anytime soon. Don't forget, Hearn already offered him a £750k purse, back when AJ wasn't a World (paper) Champion. AJ simply doesn't need Chisora anymore, especially Not when Hearn can throw him in against any old bum, & still have it as PPV.



Did you know, that his last outing on Dave had over 3 million viewers? That's quite outstanding. The record PPV buy in this country, was Hatton-Mayweather, at just over 1m IIRC.

As I mentioned before, I'm going, but Im looking forward to a night on the lash, more than a night of actual boxing excitement. I'd like to see him in against a half decent, genuine top-10 contender by the end of the year. Maybe Pulev, or he loser of Takam & Parker.



As I've said before, I've never been a Khan fan. I fully understand why he does the things he does, but I've never been a fan.
Until tomorrow.

Khan deserves serious plaudits for even considering facing Canelo. After rehydration, we're most likely talking about a weight difference of 14-21lbs. That's mad. That's like Scott Quigg or Carl Frampton, stepping in with Terrence Crawford, Adrien Broner, Ruslan Providnikov or Lucas Matthysse.

Common sense & logic says Canelo eventually walks Khan down and stops him mid-late. Khan will probably win rounds & hold his own for large parts. But I'm sure either that ill-discipline will kick in eventually, and/or the sheer weight difference will affect him. That's what I'm going with. Canelo stoppage in the 8th-9th.

That being said, after Fury shocking the world in Germany, part of me is wondering, could this have a similar outcome.
Canelo has struggled with fighters who have quick hands & feet. He lost every round against Floyd & looked in trouble during the early rounds against Cotto. Khan's adding a lot of weight to what he's used to. If his fitness & speed are the same as they are at 147lbs, then possibly. He would need to be resilient throughout. Don't engage or trade shots. Just apply the stick & move style, that Haye used to beat Valuev, or Groves used to beat DeGale.

I'll stick with the Canelo stoppage victory, but wouldn't be overly shocked if Khan actually did it. And for once in his career, he'll have my full support. WAR Khan!!

I've just seen the weigh in for the Chisora vs Pulev fight, the bloke just brings controversy. I'd still like to see the match up. I see he has Whyte on the undercard and talks of David Price too fighting for a championship.

I didn't know that, but it just shows how many plastic boxing fans there are who are willing to watch Haye. The guy who went on I'm a celebrity and because it's free! Those are the fans that will go ah Amir Khan is on Box Nation but can't be arsed to pay the £12 a month or will stream it.

I'm just watching the weigh in and they both made the 155 weight. I'm really hoping for an embarrassment where he gets knocked out very early on like the Prescott fight! Just so he is forced to fight Kell Brook get beaten and found out that he isn't all he is cracked up to be. I don't want him to win what so ever and just don't think he has it in him to win. I see your points about he boxes like Mayweather and Canelo just didn't know what to do with Mayweather. But the difference is this is Amir Khan who isn't the p4p greatest fighter of all time. All it takes is one powerful strike by Canelo on his chin and that ***** going down.

 

[Ricey]

What a cracking knock out by Canelo!!! Fair play to Khan boxed well for the first 4 rounds but then Canelo worked out his range in the 5th cut Khan. Once he was cut Khan seemed to be concerned and wasn't throwing as many combinations as before. Awesome right hook by Canelo and knocked Khan straight out!

GGG vs Canelo has got to happen!

 

[GBJ]

So, Pretty much how I thought it'd go. Khan did well & won rounds, but that step up in weight was simply a step too far. Unfortunately for him, he just doesn't possess the required attributes, to be able to do these kind of things. Khan isn't in the same bracket as the ones who can/have.

Anyway, I see Kell Brook piping up about 3 seconds after Khan hit the canvas. Seriously Kell? Go and establish a name/career off of your own back, the usual way, instead of constantly riding Khan's coat tails.

Honestly, if it wasn't so cringeworthy, it'd be laughable. Here you have a World Champion, who has had ONE meaningful fight in his entire career. Instead of looking to fight the best, or unify the division, he's seemingly content to waste his career chasing a man who as absolutely NO intentions of fighting him. And I don't blame Khan at all. He can earn double the amount, headlining in Las Vegas.

And no way this proposed fight sells out Wembley, **** all that noise. Hearn has completely ground Brook's career to a halt, feeding him pipe dreams of big bucks, selling out Wembley etc, when he should have been concentrating on unifying the division & facing big names in America

 

[Ricey]

So, Pretty much how I thought it'd go. Khan did well & won rounds, but that step up in weight was simply a step too far. Unfortunately for him, he just doesn't possess the required attributes, to be able to do these kind of things. Khan isn't in the same bracket as the ones who can/have.

Anyway, I see Kell Brook piping up about 3 seconds after Khan hit the canvas. Seriously Kell? Go and establish a name/career off of your own back, the usual way, instead of constantly riding Khan's coat tails.

Honestly, if it wasn't so cringeworthy, it'd be laughable. Here you have a World Champion, who has had ONE meaningful fight in his entire career. Instead of looking to fight the best, or unify the division, he's seemingly content to waste his career chasing a man who as absolutely NO intentions of fighting him. And I don't blame Khan at all. He can earn double the amount, headlining in Las Vegas.

And no way this proposed fight sells out Wembley, **** all that noise. Hearn has completely ground Brook's career to a halt, feeding him pipe dreams of big bucks, selling out Wembley etc, when he should have been concentrating on unifying the division & facing big names in America

Don't know how you can give Brook **** for that when Khan was the king. Constantly calling out and wasting his time chasing Pacquiao and Mayweather fights that were never going to happen, then spouting bollocks that they are both scared to fight him!

Hearn offered Khan £8 million to fight Brook before he announced the Canelo fight! And it would 100% sell out Wembley. Froch v Groves II did and Groves has nowhere near the stock of Brook or Khan. Both are popular fighters with big followings and with it being Khan back fighting on UK soil it would sell like AJ's tickets.

Hearn doesn't help Brook that's where I agree with you but he doesn't help any of his fighters really. He tries to protect them which in turn stunts their career progress.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

Amir Khan the Las Vegas whipping boy. Fight Kell Brook you fag #knowyourlevel

 

[GBJ]

Don't know how you can give Brook **** for that when Khan was the king. Constantly calling out and wasting his time chasing Pacquiao and Mayweather fights that were never going to happen, then spouting bollocks that they are both scared to fight him!

Hearn offered Khan £8 million to fight Brook before he announced the Canelo fight! And it would 100% sell out Wembley. Froch v Groves II did and Groves has nowhere near the stock of Brook or Khan. Both are popular fighters with big followings and with it being Khan back fighting on UK soil it would sell like AJ's tickets.

Hearn doesn't help Brook that's where I agree with you but he doesn't help any of his fighters really. He tries to protect them which in turn stunts their career progress.

No denying that Khan himself has done the same thing, in chasing Mayweather. The slight difference is, Khan had been a multi-weight champion at that point, who'd headlined Las Vegas, against very good opponents. He'd effectively made his career, at that point & was looking for the defining fight/payday.

Brook has done absolutely nothing close to that. He beat one good opponent in Porter, and the rest have been woeful. Whilst Khan was facing & beating the likes of Paulie Malignaggi, Zab Judah, Marcos Maidana, Dimitry Salita & Marco Antonio Barrera, Kel Brook was going life & death with complete bums such as Carson Jones & Matt Hatton. The IBF strap merely papers over the cracks of Brook's career. So my point is, he should be more concerned in earning/gaining his own reputation, and enhancing his own name. instead of chasing Khan's. Khan may have made himself look a **** chasing Floyd, but Brook is making himself look like some lovesick teenager, who's been shunned.

LOLs that Hearn offered Khan £8m. Let's say hypothetically, that he did. (He didnt, the figure was £5m) Why oh why, would Khan accept that figure, when he can make double that, headlining in Las Vegas?

No way the fight sells out Wembley, unless the tickets are sold at £10 a pop. The difference with the Froch-Groves fight, was the hype surrounding it. It became a crossover fight. Before that, the last crossover fight we had was Hatton-Mayweather. Crossover fights don't come around very often, because its very difficult to get all the ingredients right. Khan-Brook doesn't have the right ingredients for a crossover fight. It has the ingredients for a good domestic battle, like Quigg-Frampton, but it's not on the same level as the ones before. I think you're overestimating the stock of Brook.

 

[GBJ]

With Brook being content on defending his title against the likes of Jo Jo Dan, Frankie Gavin & Kevin Bizier, then he'll never make it as a crossover star. If they're not already, the only person(s) capable of becoming a crossover star(s) ATM, is AJ, Fury & Haye.

 

[Ricey]

Got myself tickets to the David Haye fight, only paid £5 for two tickets. Thank you tickets for troops.

 

[Blue_Wes]

Ah, how come every one is talking about the Khan KO, and not Crolla's outstanding display about Barroso. That was fight of the year for me. I'm not normally Gallagher's biggest fan, and his tactics were risky, but Crolla executed them perfectly, and it was a brilliant finish. On the night, everyone was fearing Barroso's power, and staying true to character he looked to blast Crolla out - the defence and counter punching (from the 3rd/4th) were brilliant, and the sort of thing the likes of Mayweather would be sucked of for. A really really good performance.

GBJ / Ricey - beer at the Haye fight?

 

[Ricey]

Ah, how come every one is talking about the Khan KO, and not Crolla's outstanding display about Barroso. That was fight of the year for me. I'm not normally Gallagher's biggest fan, and his tactics were risky, but Crolla executed them perfectly, and it was a brilliant finish. On the night, everyone was fearing Barroso's power, and staying true to character he looked to blast Crolla out - the defence and counter punching (from the 3rd/4th) were brilliant, and the sort of thing the likes of Mayweather would be sucked of for. A really really good performance.

GBJ / Ricey - beer at the Haye fight?

I think for me the severity of the knock out and I'm Khan's biggest hater is why I overlooked Crolla. Barroso is an excellent fighter and made Kevin Mitchell (although the end of his career) look like an average boxer. Crolla boxed well and had Barroso in his pocket for the majority of the fight and was an excellent finish. I never saw it going Crolla stoppage I had it Crolla on points or Barroso stoppage. Gallagher has said there won't be a Crolla vs Flanagan fight but let's be honest it would be a hell of a fight. Both went to the same school ones a red and ones a blue. Both in the same division, both world title holders and Flanagan has that unbeaten record on the line. But unfortunately with the egos of Frank Warren and Eddie Hearn getting in the way this might not happen. The public want this fight, the fighters want it but the massive egotistical muppets that promote them will probably prevent this happening as they both want to protect their asset!

I'm up for a beer at the o2! I've got your number now Wes and I have GBJ on Facebook so I'm sure we can arrange something.

 

[Ricey]

On another note I see Eubank Jr has signed back up to Matchroom again. He will be on the undercard for the Joshua fight on the 25th. Looking at the line up as a whole I'm a little gutted I didn't bother getting tickets.

 

[Ricey]

So Canelo has vacated the WBC belt and given it straight to GGG! Seems an odd decision by Canelo and his team. I can only assume it's so he is not to be held ransom by the WBC with the negotiations regarding the fight with GGG as Fury found out with the IBF the federations can be a pain in the arse if you don't fight their ****** mandatories. Now this has happened they are all coming out of the wood work BJS has been very vocal on Twitter about the whole situation and not too kind to Canelo. Whilst newly signed up Matchroom boxer Eubank Jr also thinks he can fight GGG and win! I have to say the middleweight division is hotting up at the moment and I can't wait to see some of the fights being lined up. Just hope we don't have a 5 year wait for Canelo vs GGG like we did Mayweather vs Pacquiao! For one thing GGG will be 39 and Canelo will only be 30.

 

[Ricey]

I'm so glad I didn't pay for that crock of ****! The cobra was a joke massively out of his depth and hardly a test at all yet again for 'the best heavyweight in the universe'. The Briggs fight was more entertaining and that was over in the first. Bring on September as it will finally be a decent test for Haye.

GBJ, Wes what did you think of the night? Fatman Scoop was a bit of a joke really wasn't he! There was a massive difference in quality between a Hayemaker fight and a Matchroom fight. Now I need to get to a Frank Warren bout. Where I was sat it seemed to attract worse fans than I saw at the Joshua fight. They didn't seem bothered by any of the fighting really it was just a massive **** up. I can think of cheaper was of getting ****ed!

I won't be paying for Haye fight anytime soon but if I can get it on tickets for troops again I'll probably go. Especially as his next fight will actually be worthwhile because it's not a bum picked up from the streets.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Very very poor mismatch fight, did the Kosovan even throw a punch in the 1 + rounds?
And he fell ovr very easy too.

 

[HudsonNo1]

Id hate for it to be true but the kosovan really looked like he was waiting to take a fall. How someone who had one of the longest unbeaten streaks in boxing can be put down so easily is beyond me. Briggs looked better then haye, there's no doubt about that.

What I hate about Hayes promoted fights is that it's all about him, nights when AJ is headlining obviously he is the main draw but other fighters get their time in the lights just as much as AJ does with match room. Briggs trying to get to haye and security not allowing it to happen probably cost a couple of hundred more PPV buys, and all so no one can take Hayes limelight. I like haye, or I did 4 years ago, but he needs to step it up now. Saying Haye vs Briggs could be a eliminator is a joke, although with boxing politics these days it wouldn't surprise me.

On another note, I heard on the radio yesterday that Khans people had been trying to make the Brooke fight and Kell Brooke's camp was being difficult about it. I'd always thought it was the other way round?

Cabelo vacating the belt bugs me big time, I can't help but feel it's so he can't be forced into a fight with GGG, instead of it aiding them to arrange the fight in their own time. Why vacate a belt when GGG is already going to be the next mandatory fight you have to take? Smells like rotten fish to me.

 

[GBJ]

Pretty much exactly what I expected, although I was expecting a first round stoppage (saying that, Haye could have ended it whenever he wanted)

These fights offer very little, apart from a night out for the fans. I called it as soon as the opponent was named, we wouldn't learn anything from the fight. What's Haye's stamina like with the added weight? Is his punch resistance still there? Can his power hurt teak-tough opposition? Poor showing, but totally expected. And TBH, I had a decent night, as I prepared myself for that. It was never gunna be anything else. Just a night out with mates, few beers & a bit of exhibition boxing.

The Briggs fight will be very similar, however I see Briggs lasting until the 4th round. Haye will stay at range for the first couple of rounds, until Briggs gasses, and Haye picks him apart in the 3rd/4th. Anyone who buys tickets for the event, expecting anything else will be in for a real disappointment.

 

[GBJ]

GBJ, Wes what did you think of the night? Fatman Scoop was a bit of a joke really wasn't he! There was a massive difference in quality between a Hayemaker fight and a Matchroom fight. Now I need to get to a Frank Warren bout. Where I was sat it seemed to attract worse fans than I saw at the Joshua fight. They didn't seem bothered by any of the fighting really it was just a massive **** up. I can think of cheaper was of getting ****ed!

I won't be paying for Haye fight anytime soon but if I can get it on tickets for troops again I'll probably go. Especially as his next fight will actually be worthwhile because it's not a bum picked up from the streets.

I had a good night. As I've mentioned, I went with the mentality that it was more an exhibition night, instead of a competitive night. Went with a few mates, had a laugh, sampled various lagers throughout the night. Had a quick picture & a joke with Shannon Briggs. Can't complain.

It'll be the same type of night if/when Haye & Briggs fight.

FWIW, you'll always get tw@ts at live events, regardless who's fighting, and who's promoting it. Sometimes you get lucky & don't cross paths with them. Everyone I saw, or encountered on Saturday, was in decent spirits, and fairly well behaved. Just the luck of the draw mate.