Freddy - "I could have returned to Blues"

[fredheim_holm]

Wow, now theres a turnout for the books. Many thought Tilson and Ron wouldnt have him back, but it was only Wolves that stopped it. It just makes me hate for wolves grow ever stronger.

Freddy = Legend

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

So correct me if i am wrong but didnt we get £1.5 million for freddy?

So if we have yet to spend that money why not offer wolves 800k to sell him which is what i belive coventry have offered and then in effect we will have got 750k for a years loan ;) . Note a bad piece of business at all.

We get a top drawer striker and still have 750k in the bank.

I knw it doesnt work like that but if it did how great would that be. Incidentally i feel we may have got freddy if we had just been promoted again.

Agreed, which would have happened if that **** Mcarthy had let the loan move happen.

Freddy and Barnard, bloody hell!!

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Freddy and Barney would of been unbelieveable

 

[sufcalways]

Would've been a great signing, sure it wouldn't really happen though. Eastwood and Barney upfront would be unstoppable!

 

[Tommy2holes]

Well looking at it this way.

Freddy and JCR sold for 1.75 million total.

We are more thank likely to sell the following

Bailey around 3-500k say 400k for arguments sake
Hooper for 75k
Harrold (worth 5p and dairy lea slice) 50k
Foran rumoured 100k more likely 50k
Macdonald 35k

Thats round about 600k on top of the 1.75 million already raised. Then theres the matter of the share option which i though raised best part of a million?

It seems to me that if fred wants to come home and southends management want fred then a deal could be arranged although the wage structure would probably be blown out of the water.

Its not impossible infact its very much doable.

 

[ozzy-shrimper]

Dropping a hint for this season? ;) ....

 

[fredheim_holm]

Oh I would love it if we snapped him up.

I'd be drooling for days.

 

[Firestorm]

Would've been a great signing, sure it wouldn't really happen though. Eastwood and Barney upfront would be unstoppable!

We would still have people moaning that the strikers are not getting on the high balls into the box!!

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

As much as I love Freddy, I don't think I'd want him back this season in any event. If this loan deal had come off last season it would have been great and would have worked out well for all parties. Freddy would have come in and got some first team game time and would have probably got some vital goals to help spur us on to a possible automatic promotion spot, at the same time helping to put himself back in the shop window or maybe fighting for a place in the first team squad at Wolves. This season however (even putting aside the wage issue) I think he would be a short term signing as it is clear that he has ambitions to play at a higher level and I don't think he really wants to come back to us on a longer term basis. We are having a huge clearout this summer and are effectively building a completely new side and any suggestion that Freddy would form part of that (and that we could build a new team around him) is ludicrous in my opinion. We want players that are going to commit to the club, as Ron has made very clear with the Bailey, Francis and Clarke situation. I think he'll play for us again in the future, but the time is not right for us or him.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Well Ron has stated that he wants us to succeed as a championship outfit.

Well if you take barnsley as a similar sized club then they have realised that in order to achieve limited success (staying in the championship) that :

A) You need to sign players that are capable of plying there trade at that level.
B) You need to sanction the deals and the wages that comes with those players.

I think the club is currently at a bit of a crossroads were we all want the sucess of being at a higher level but are unwilling to pay what it takes to be a player at that level.

We will never be or stay in championship on our current wage structure and the type of players we are looking at. Thats the truth of it.

If we are to be successful then the likes of freddy eastwood would be snapped up and a deal brokered. Why is he not being signed ? Because the club is unwilling to come out of its comfort zone and start moving onto the next phase right now.

Will we get that next phase when the stadium is built? Well that kinda depends on us because crowds of 8-10k a week will not see transfer fees and wages that will rival those of championship counterparts, but in order to entice the public in you have to give a little.

Is Freddy Eastwood coming back to southend ? No he isnt .
Could Freddy Eastwood be lured back to southend ? Yes he could
Would having eastwood in the team boost attendances and dramatically increase the chances of signing/retaining other players? Yes i beleive it would.

At some point in the future Ron is going to have to come of that comfort zone of his to provide what he and we all want which is Championship football for atleast a few seasons and beyond.

Im not saying break the bank , but what i am saying is be real in your statements and show some intent to make those statements happen.

We have wasted about 600k+ on ****e strikers in the last few seasons. I would much rather that be on one player who is class than 3 or 4 very mediocre players.

We have made decent money on signings and share options so spend some and show that you mean business when you say you want us to be playing championship football when we move.

 

[Shrimper]

WOW. What a signing that would've been, him and Lee Barnard would've torn up the form book and rewritten it completely. Him and Lee Barnard would've given us a different outcome, fact. We would probably have beaten Walsall, Nottm Forest and Northampton at home with Eastwood which would've put us within touching distance of seoncd place before the final run in, which would've given the morale a real boost and we would've had a right go at it instead of settling for the right of playing against either Carlisle, Donny or Leeds in the Play-off Semi's.

Wether Eastwood actually said all this is only a rumour but seeing as he is a true legend of this club i will be going with the spoken word. Eastwood would've been greatly received back at this club and i will always welcome him with open arms, wether he's 30 or 20. He's a great, talented player and deserved a chance at Wolves. He wasn't given it and should be allowed to move on.

Although, i heard somewhere from a source that Mick McCarthy intended to use him as a super sub and tried to change his game plan completely, from keeping the ball and producing something out of nothing to being an in the box striker who latched onto long balls.

:support:

 

[Tommy2holes]

Like i said in my previous post.

Eastwood could be lured back to essex if we showed some enterprise and some ambition at being the championship club that ron and tilly talk about and showed freddy that his ambitions could be realised right on his own patch.

 

[Beefy]

Like i said in my previous post.

Eastwood could be lured back to essex if we showed some enterprise and some ambition at being the championship club that ron and tilly talk about and showed freddy that his ambitions could be realised right on his own patch.

I appreciate the point you're making but you seem to be forgetting the millions of pounds worth of debt that this Club is in. You mentioned the transfer fee that we got for Eastwood but surely most of that went on servicing our debt? And most of that debt is either directly or indirectly the result of the last time we started spending money on players who we couldn't afford. Yeah we could do a Barnsley (although it's worth pointing out that they only just survived being relegated the last two seasons) but I wouldn't want to risk us doing a Luton which considering our tiny fanbase would seem to be a far more likely outcome of 'chasing the dream'.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Thats fair enough Beefy.

The point i was trying to make was that Ron martin has stated time and time again that he wants us to be an established team in the championship then something has to give. And signing dross at 150k-250k at a time is not going to cut it. How much have we wasted now?

He also said that we did not have to sell Freddy at all because we didnt need the money. We sold him for £1.5 million so surely if we didnt need it then why not spend it? And JCR's 250k

We also just raised money on a share issue did we not which we was told would directly contribute to players. Has that fallen into an abyss?

We have also just sold 5000 season tickets at some of the most expensive prices in the league. With the fact that there will be atleast another 3000+ on each matchday apying full price without all the burgers programmes shirt sales etc.

All in thats a lot of bunce. Fair enough if they said were not spending a penny this season, but will clear the club of debt.

Maybe all this is down to the fact the Tilly has wasted so much money.

Harrold 75k
Foran 150k
Paynter 250k
Ricketts (rumoured 5k pw)
And i have a feeling that Revell will go the same way at 150k

Thats 600k on ****.

Maybe thats why we dont see big money because the manager is not very good spending money?

 

[Beefy]

We got most of that money back on those transfer though. Foran looks to be the big blunder, especially if Hooly's rumour about how much he's on is true. Although I doubt that we were paying Rickett's anything more than a nominal wage with the rest being made up by Leeds & Middlesbrough. We wouldn't have been able to sack him so easily if we were paying him a decent wage.

 

[Tommy2holes]

We didnt mate we payed him off unfortunately and it cost a fair old wack by all accounts. Another mismanagement?

 

[Beefy]

Well either way I don't think there were many on here who considered Ricketts a bad signing on the day it was announced.

 

[Tommy2holes]

That is true mate

 

[Holy Joe]

Thats fair enough Beefy.

The point i was trying to make was that Ron martin has stated time and time again that he wants us to be an established team in the championship then something has to give. And signing dross at 150k-250k at a time is not going to cut it. How much have we wasted now?

He also said that we did not have to sell Freddy at all because we didnt need the money. We sold him for £1.5 million so surely if we didnt need it then why not spend it? And JCR's 250k

We also just raised money on a share issue did we not which we was told would directly contribute to players. Has that fallen into an abyss?

We have also just sold 5000 season tickets at some of the most expensive prices in the league. With the fact that there will be atleast another 3000+ on each matchday apying full price without all the burgers programmes shirt sales etc.

All in thats a lot of bunce. Fair enough if they said were not spending a penny this season, but will clear the club of debt.

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Accounts aren't out yet for last year but I'd be surprised if we broke even so maybe the Freddy money is being used just to keep the club going?

 

[* ORM *]

Like i said in my previous post.

I think we've finally rumbled TTH. It IS Tilly posting on this board

As for Freddy coming back I am neither excited nor do I believe he would make a perfect assistant striker for Barney. If he took his head out of his 8rse and knuckled down he may have made the grade at Wolves by now. Somehow methinks that's a division above his level. He now has two seasons on the books of Championship Clubs and barring one great goal very little to show for it and hardly a host of clubs gagging to sign him.