Flavs or Collis?

[Blue Streak]

Carlito Carribbean Cool

mmm deep !!

 

[SUFCEssex]

collis should keep his place but i said the same thing after the Cheltenham game. The stiffs are at home tomorrow so be interesting to see who plays in goal for them.

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Anyone looking at the goals conceded against Brighton will surely understand that Darryl's time is up. All 3 were as a result of headers from inside 8 yards, and I would think that was the last straw for Tilly.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

With Richards out, we need Collis' height otherwise I fear going back to the sloppy goals conceded from set pieces and high balls into the box.

 

[sufcintheprem]

We've kept three clean sheets in the league this season and Collis has been in goal for two of them. He should definitely keep his place next game and if he doesn't, you have to wonder why he should bother being here at all.

The only thing to also bear in mind is that we've also had the back four of Gilbert, P Clarke, Richards and Barrett for two of the three and I suppose it's tricky to judge how much credit is due to them.

 

[Jam_Man]

We've kept three clean sheets in the league this season and Collis has been in goal for two of them.

Yes, but with Gillingham Collis had nothing to do so it wasnt as if his performance led to the clean sheet, if Flahavan had been in goal we still would have kept a clean sheet.

Collis for me has done enough to stay in the side but on the other side of the coin Ive not really seen him tested (I wasnt at Oldham).

This talk of favouritism is a bit off the mark too, most teams have a first choice keeper and if they go out injured would always claim the jersey back.

Question is whether Collis is good enough to be seriously considered an alternative.

For me he has been solid enough but Ive not seen him being any commanding than Flahvan so far and for Flahavan to lose his place because he whole team was playing without confidence isnt particularly fair.

The only thing to also bear in mind is that we've also had the back four of Gilbert, P Clarke, Richards and Barrett for two of the three and I suppose it's tricky to judge how much credit is due to them.

Indeed, Richards coming in has certainly made an impact.

Its far too easy to say Flahavan isnt playing and we are doing well so thats the reason.

We have a new centreback, we also have been playing quite well and got to play Gillingham who were awful and gave us a nice confidence boost.

People too often want to find a simple answer to everything but in the case of our performances theres lots of factors, personnel, confidence and a dollop of luck.

 

[DTS]

1) Collis deserves to stay in after a few good performances or what message does it send out.

2) Darryl is a great keeper but Roycies is untouchable at the end of his SUFC career.

 

[Angell Delight]

For me he has been solid enough but Ive not seen him being any commanding than Flahvan so far and for Flahavan to lose his place because he whole team was playing without confidence isnt particularly fair.

For a start Collis' positioning seems extremely good and more importantly (and this must be MASSIVE for the defence's confidence) he has actually been claiming crosses!!!!!!!

Whilst a great shot-stopper (though not in the Roycey league) Flavs has cost us a LOT of goals last season and this by staying rooted to his line at virtually every opportunity to claim. I have an awful lot of respect for Tilly and what he's done for this club from when he came in as a 19-year-old right up to his fantastic achievements as a manager but I have to say if Flahavan is straight back in some of that respect will be lost, no question about that.

 

[Jam_Man]

For a start Collis' positioning seems extremely good and more importantly (and this must be MASSIVE for the defence's confidence) he has actually been claiming crosses!!!!!!!

Whilst a great shot-stopper (though not in the Roycey league) Flavs has cost us a LOT of goals last season and this by staying rooted to his line at virtually every opportunity to claim. I have an awful lot of respect for Tilly and what he's done for this club from when he came in as a 19-year-old right up to his fantastic achievements as a manager but I have to say if Flahavan is straight back in some of that respect will be lost, no question about that.

Last season we were out of our league and the whole team couldnt defend. Collis would have conceded just as many in that team last year. I dont remember too many goals that I would specifically put down to Flahavan.

As I say, people want a nice simplistic answer to problems, we conceded too many goals last season, must have been the keeper.

Well Ive seen Collis not come for a cross into the 6 yard box (Daggers) almost drop one under the bar (Daggers) and not claim one corner (Daggers/Gillingham). If Flahavan had done the same he would have been slaughtered.

Like I say, wasnt at Oldham but from what Ive seen in the other games Ive not seen Collis rushing off his line particularly much and hasnt been any more commanding than Flavs.

Collis has done fine, but I think has come in just at the right time when we got to play a poor Gillingham side.

 

[Jam_Man]

For a start Collis' positioning seems extremely good and more importantly (and this must be MASSIVE for the defence's confidence) he has actually been claiming crosses!!!!!!!

Whilst a great shot-stopper (though not in the Roycey league) Flavs has cost us a LOT of goals last season and this by staying rooted to his line at virtually every opportunity to claim. I have an awful lot of respect for Tilly and what he's done for this club from when he came in as a 19-year-old right up to his fantastic achievements as a manager but I have to say if Flahavan is straight back in some of that respect will be lost, no question about that.

Last season we were out of our league and the whole team couldnt defend. Collis would have conceded just as many in that team last year. I dont remember too many goals that I would specifically put down to Flahavan.

As I say, people want a nice simplistic answer to problems, we conceded too many goals last season, must have been the keeper.

Well Ive seen Collis not come for a cross into the 6 yard box (Daggers) almost drop one under the bar (Daggers) and not claim one corner (Daggers/Gillingham). If Flahavan had done the same he would have been slaughtered.

Like I say, wasnt at Oldham but from what Ive seen in the other games Ive not seen Collis rushing off his line particularly much and hasnt been any more commanding than Flavs.

Collis has done fine, but I think has come in just at the right time when we got to play a poor Gillingham side, the team found some confidence and a certain Leon Clarke has lifted the team.

 

[Angell Delight]

I can think of many occasions in the recent past where crosses or set-pieces have entered our net via deliveries into the 6-yard box which the keeper MUST deal with 95% of the time - Flavs isn't anywhere near good enough in this area.

At Brighton it was embarrassing, I'll bet my bottom dollar Clarke and Barrett CAN play together with Collis behind, something they clearly can't do with Flavs.

 

[SUFC_Al]

the thing that alarmed me most about the Brighton goals was the lack of any challenge preventing the crosses in first place!

I think that Collis should get a run in the side as he's not really done anything wrong since he's come in.

 

[Reg Martin]

I hope Tilly sticks with Collis, defence had a more solid feel about it with him (and Richards) in the team on Saturday though I think he will revert to Flavs when he is fit. One question I have - and maybe it was discussed on here before Gillingham match when I was on hols - but anyone know what our plan was if Collis had got injured early on Saturday?

 

[Southend_Lady]

He has to stick with Collis, there is no question about it.
You pick a team based on performances, not names.

Like people have said, Collis has done nothing wrong to end up warming the bench. He will more than likely be very disheartened if he doesnt start. Its important that the cover we have in each position is given their chance when earnt, its surely the key to a happy squad. You perform-you play, simple as that.

 

[Jam_Man]

I can think of many occasions in the recent past where crosses or set-pieces have entered our net via deliveries into the 6-yard box which the keeper MUST deal with 95% of the time - Flavs isn't anywhere near good enough in this area.

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I can think of plenty of times where at set pieces our defenders and outfield players didnt win enough crosses or set pieces to allow the header in the first place.

Ive yet to see Collis deal with a corner in the games Ive seen so not sure where this 95% comes in. Id hazard a guess that most keepers actually dont get anywhere near 50%corners and they are generally dealt with by defenders.

At Brighton it was embarrassing, I'll bet my bottom dollar Clarke and Barrett CAN play together with Collis behind, something they clearly can't do with Flavs.

At Brighton what was embasrrassing was that :

Goal 1. For the first goal Barrett got beaten in the air and the flick on went to an unmarked Brighton player. Flavs cant win headers or mark strikers.

Goal 2. Clarke gave the ball away with a ridiculous half clearance.

Goal 3. A corner which an undefended Brighton player headed in.

The only goal out of those Id say Flavs could have done better with was the last one, yet as ve said Ive not seen collis deal with a corner yet.

The first two were down to the defence, and having Collis in goal would not have made Barrett win the header not Clarke from giving the ball away 17 yards in front of goal.

Some people are making too much of this Collis thing, he has played 3 games, against Daggers he didnt look commanding and had nothing to do against Gillingham. Cant comment on Oldham.

Im personally more than happy for Collis to get a run but all this talk that Flahavan was at fault for last season or our dodgy start is way too harsh.

 

[overseas shrimper]

Anyone around in the mid 90's who saw Royce every week in a Shrimpers shirt is likely to say he is the best keeper Southend United have been fortunate to possess in the recent past, even more so than Sammy.

I am not to be included in your rather sweeping statement. For me, Sammy was a better 'keeper all round. Royce was good, don't get me wrong, but his kicking was atrocious. Sammy had less chinks in his armour IMHO.

 

[Beefy]

At Brighton what was embasrrassing was that :

Goal 1. For the first goal Barrett got beaten in the air and the flick on went to an unmarked Brighton player. Flavs cant win headers or mark strikers.

Goal 2. Clarke gave the ball away with a ridiculous half clearance.

Goal 3. A corner which an undefended Brighton player headed in.

The only goal out of those Id say Flavs could have done better with was the last one, yet as ve said Ive not seen collis deal with a corner yet.

The first two were down to the defence, and having Collis in goal would not have made Barrett win the header not Clarke from giving the ball away 17 yards in front of goal.

If they had a keeper who could claim crosses then Barrett & Clarke wouldn't have had to have been defending as deep as they were at Brighton. Flavs may not have been directly at fault for those goals but having a short goalkeeper who the defenders know can't/won't deal with balls into the box draws the back four back towards their own goal which is asking for trouble when the centre-backs are as short as those two are.

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

Goal 1. For the first goal Barrett got beaten in the air and the flick on went to an unmarked Brighton player. Flavs cant win headers or mark strikers.

No, but he can come and claim a ball that travelled 40 yards into his penalty area before being headed from 8 yards out.

Goal 2. Clarke gave the ball away with a ridiculous half clearance.

Yes, Clarke was at fault but once again the the ball was crossed along our 6 yard area, where it was headed in at the far post from 6 yards out.

Goal 3. A corner which an undefended Brighton player headed in.

Again, at the far post from no more than 3 yards out, as you say Flavs should definitely have done better.

Im personally more than happy for Collis to get a run but all this talk that Flahavan was at fault for last season or our dodgy start is way too harsh

Unfortunately, I think he is at fault for our poor start. If you look at all the goals he has conceded this season, 90% of them have either been from crosses and set-pieces into or around our 6 yard area, or free kicks from 25-30 yards, all of which I feel could have been prevented by having a bigger goal-keeper who is prepared to leave his line and dominate his penalty area, rather than relying on his centre-backs to win anything in the air, and then having to make spectacular saves from the resulting chaos.

 

[Angell Delight]

I am not to be included in your rather sweeping statement. For me, Sammy was a better 'keeper all round. Royce was good, don't get me wrong, but his kicking was atrocious. Sammy had less chinks in his armour IMHO.

I am inclined to half agree mate, Sammy was definitely a better kicker. Having seen both from the late 80's to mid-late 90's though I'm of the personal opinion that some of what we saw from Royce was simply world class, Sammy on the other hand was an extremely competent and dependable custodian. Both are far and away my favourites from the last 20 years.

 

[Angell Delight]

No, but he can come and claim a ball that travelled 40 yards into his penalty area before being headed from 8 yards out.


Yes, Clarke was at fault but once again the the ball was crossed along our 6 yard area, where it was headed in at the far post from 6 yards out.



Again, at the far post from no more than 3 yards out, as you say Flavs should definitely have done better.

Unfortunately, I think he is at fault for our poor start. If you look at all the goals he has conceded this season, 90% of them have either been from crosses and set-pieces into or around our 6 yard area, or free kicks from 25-30 yards, all of which I feel could have been prevented by having a bigger goal-keeper who is prepared to leave his line and dominate his penalty area, rather than relying on his centre-backs to win anything in the air, and then having to make spectacular saves from the resulting chaos.

Agree with all BB, nothing personal with Flavs but I've seen exactly the same for a good couple of seasons now and whilst extremely agile his one shortcoming (pardon the pun) is the most problematic one any keeper can have with regards to his back line.