England in Australia .. One Day Series

[The General]

They were discussing dropping Colly down the order and putting Morgan at 4, but for me, thats a little too early for him. If anything, use Morgan as an opener, exploit the first 6 overs as clearly our best "big hitter" and would be a marked improvement upon Davies opening. I know if Keisswetter was fit, he'd probably be playing instead but thats not the point. Ravi opened a fair bit for Essex, so even thats a possibility.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

They were discussing dropping Colly down the order and putting Morgan at 4, but for me, thats a little too early for him. If anything, use Morgan as an opener, exploit the first 6 overs as clearly our best "big hitter" and would be a marked improvement upon Davies opening. I know if Keisswetter was fit, he'd probably be playing instead but thats not the point. Ravi opened a fair bit for Essex, so even thats a possibility.

Has Davies really been that bad?

I thought the problem's been far more our middle order than up top. I'm keen to give Davies every opportunity to succeed. If you believe in county cricket than you've got to back him as he's been possibly the best batsman in limited overs county cricket over the last two seasons and if you believe in the England u19s and Lions system you have to back him as he's long been identified as a major talent. Basically either way I think he's someone you've got to back.

My worry is more Colly's form with the bat. He really needs an innings to get going.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Yeah I just dont have any confidence in Colly playing a 'long' 20/20 innings if 2 wickets fall early, and neither he nor Wright bowled. Id far rather Ravi came in and Colly batted at 6 as a finishing (which Wright is not).

From the looks of the scorecard, Colly and Morgan were the biggest culprits, if either had scored at a run a ball we would have won.

By the sounds of it on TMS, Colly was a walking wicket as soon as he stepped into the crease... Never settled, didn't look confident in his shot selection and was never going to mount a good score or stick around for long.

 

[MrB]

I know if Keisswetter was fit, he'd probably be playing instead but thats not the point.

Ah, I was wondering hy he wasn't there.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Has Davies really been that bad?

I thought the problem's been far more our middle order than up top. I'm keen to give Davies every opportunity to succeed. If you believe in county cricket than you've got to back him as he's been possibly the best batsman in limited overs county cricket over the last two seasons and if you believe in the England u19s and Lions system you have to back him as he's long been identified as a major talent. Basically either way I think he's someone you've got to back.

My worry is more Colly's form with the bat. He really needs an innings to get going.

Fair comment and pretty much agreed. There have been a lot of positives over recent years in the structure of English cricket, not least youth to U19 and also the Lions system. Although IMO the current county system needs to be properly addressed rateher than the constant chopping and changing that happens most years.

Having said that and taking in your post I'm very disappointed that Adil Rashid isn't getting a look in, he's performed well in most areas on the county scene and hasn't let England down when he has been selected, and IMO should have been in the Ashes squad ahead of Panesar and in the current T20 & ODI squad, particularly with the World Cup being held on the sub continent. I'd suggest that Rashid is better at all forms of the game than someone like Tredwell.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Fair comment and pretty much agreed. There have been a lot of positives over recent years in the structure of English cricket, not least youth to U19 and also the Lions system. Although IMO the current county system needs to be properly addressed rateher than the constant chopping and changing that happens most years.

Having said that and taking in your post I'm very disappointed that Adil Rashid isn't getting a look in, he's performed well in most areas on the county scene and hasn't let England down when he has been selected, and IMO should have been in the Ashes squad ahead of Panesar and in the current T20 & ODI squad, particularly with the World Cup being held on the sub continent. I'd suggest that Rashid is better at all forms of the game than someone like Tredwell.

Interesting point about Rashid. I think Tredwell is the more reliable cricketer, so it depends upon what you are after: flashes of brilliance or consistency. Rashid's taken a lot of wickets and scored a fair few runs without getting much of a look in. What I would say is that he rather buys his wickets and England may think he's better off bowling than carrying drinks which has been Monty's role this winter. Whilst effective at county level, he isn't yet dominant.

 

[The General]

Davies just hasn't looked comfortable with the batt in the two innings so far. Hopefully he can go on and improve for the ODI's. He has just looked a tad fidgetty but i suppose playing infront of 60,000 is going to make you a bit like that!

 

[canveyshrimper]

Davies just hasn't looked comfortable with the batt in the two innings so far. Hopefully he can go on and improve for the ODI's. He has just looked a tad fidgetty but i suppose playing infront of 60,000 is going to make you a bit like that!

Stats will tell you he's used to playing in front of huge crowds at the Oval. :nope:

 

[MrB]

Defeat overnight with Watson smashing a rather impressive 161no. At least Pietersen actually scored some OD runs. No Collingwood I notice.

 

[number11]

Defeat overnight with Watson smashing a rather impressive 161no. At least Pietersen actually scored some OD runs. No Collingwood I notice.

I know his form has been wretched, but the economy of the slow bowlers suggest we missed a few overs from Collingwood in the middle of the innings. Bresnan had a stinker from what I saw, but had to bowl his full quota.

 

[Stats]

Davies always looks a bit fidgetty at the crease, glad to see him get some runs on the board today.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Poor showing from England today, though i'm not suprised as these ODIs after an Ashes series generally go against the side that has just won the bigger prize (despite the fact its only a couple of inches high) .. 4 years ago after our 5-0 Ashes drubbing we won the one dayers 6-1, when we regained the urn back home we were then stuffed 5-1 so its very much "after the event" .. add in the fact we are missing Broad and Anderson who IMO are our 2 best bowlers and hey presto ...

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Poor showing from England today, though i'm not suprised as these ODIs after an Ashes series generally go against the side that has just won the bigger prize (despite the fact its only a couple of inches high) .. 4 years ago after our 5-0 Ashes drubbing we won the one dayers 6-1, when we regained the urn back home we were then stuffed 5-1 so its very much "after the event" .. add in the fact we are missing Broad and Anderson who IMO are our 2 best bowlers and hey presto ...

I don't think we've got the balance right for 50 overs like we have for 20:20.

Australia seemed to both bat deeper (David Hussey v Yardy at 7) and have more bowling options (D. Hussey and Smith as 6th and 7th bowlers).

I still don't think Strauss is one of the best 5 one-day batsmen in the country (despite his innings today - Australia bowled really poorly at him, feeding him square of the wicket) and tactically I don't think he's particularly good. We miss the balance Collingwood brings, but we can't carry his bat. Yardy's batting is baffling poor for someone who's supposedly a batsman. Bell flattered to deceive once more.

Was a pretty poor quality game all round, Shane Watson apart.

 

[Stats]

Samit Fatel would sit well in that side. England should just look past the fact he's slightly rotund, all cricket sides should have at least one tubby player.

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

Samit Fatel would sit well in that side.

No no no no

So over rated and actually just pretty crap IMO

 

[BLUEBLOOD]

all cricket sides should have at least one tubby player.

Super, super Matt
Super, super Matt
Super, super Matt
Super Matty Walker

And not SZs very own MtS either, before anyone tries to be funny :winking:

 

[EastStandBlue]

Disappointingly left Aus off the hook again. Had them trembling at 142-8, but let them accumulate 230 before bowling them out.

 

[number11]

I don't think we've got the balance right for 50 overs like we have for 20:20.

Australia seemed to both bat deeper (David Hussey v Yardy at 7) and have more bowling options (D. Hussey and Smith as 6th and 7th bowlers).

I still don't think Strauss is one of the best 5 one-day batsmen in the country (despite his innings today - Australia bowled really poorly at him, feeding him square of the wicket) and tactically I don't think he's particularly good. We miss the balance Collingwood brings, but we can't carry his bat. Yardy's batting is baffling poor for someone who's supposedly a batsman. Bell flattered to deceive once more.

Was a pretty poor quality game all round, Shane Watson apart.

The fact that Ausralia have a genuine allrounder in Shane Watson gives them that added depth. If Flintoff were fit for one last hurrah and we had him coming in at 7 and bowling 10 overs it would completely change the dynamic of the team. As it is, we are going to have to go in with pretty much the basic 5 batters, 1 keeper and 5 bowlers, unless they strengthen the batting and try fiddling 10 overs out of Colly, Wright and KP.........

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Disappointingly left Aus off the hook again. Had them trembling at 142-8, but let them accumulate 230 before bowling them out.

Yep, disappointed we didn't go in for the kill.

You really shouldn't be losing games from having the opposition at 142-8.

Strauss is far too conservative a captain. To be beaten by Dougie Bollinger hurts. To be beaten by Dougie Bollinger with the bat is just taking the ****.

As for the batting: we all knew that that opening partnership didn't work and we all knew that the middle order looks too reliant on Capey, stodgy and liable to be bogged down.

I thought the game was perfectly poised for Ian "best form of his life" Bell to play a breakthrough innings and get that first ever ton for England when no-one else has already scored a hundred. Morgan's already done that in tests (he's only played 6 of them) and 3 times in something like 34 ODIs. Bell's yet to do that in 62 tests and 85 ODIs.

I will give him some credit for his consistency: against Pakistan he averaged 27.50 at a strike-rate of 59.13 and so far this series he's averaging 27.50 at a strike-rate of 59.13.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Yep, disappointed we didn't go in for the kill.

You really shouldn't be losing games from having the opposition at 142-8.

Strauss is far too conservative a captain. To be beaten by Dougie Bollinger hurts. To be beaten by Dougie Bollinger with the bat is just taking the ****.

As for the batting: we all knew that that opening partnership didn't work and we all knew that the middle order looks too reliant on Capey, stodgy and liable to be bogged down.

I thought the game was perfectly poised for Ian "best form of his life" Bell to play a breakthrough innings and get that first ever ton for England when no-one else has already scored a hundred. Morgan's already done that in tests (he's only played 6 of them) and 3 times in something like 34 ODIs. Bell's yet to do that in 62 tests and 85 ODIs.

I will give him some credit for his consistency: against Pakistan he averaged 27.50 at a strike-rate of 59.13 and so far this series he's averaging 27.50 at a strike-rate of 59.13.

Wasn't Bollinger's previous best 3? How on Earth did he manage 30? Shahzad looked pretty nifty with the ball from what little highlights I managed to see this morning.