Do you support Southend's Grammar Schools?

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

When I first went to WHSB 51 years ago :stunned::nope: the thing I found difficult was i lost my 2 best friends who went to Belfairs. I still see one from time to time. He's done OK. Horses for courses. Not everyone is academic.

You don't have to go to a grammar school if you are academic though of course.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

You don't have to go to a grammar school if you are academic though of course.

If you've got no choice of course

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

If you've got no choice of course

I know from personal experience that with the current government you get no choice - 92% of parents said no to Harris Academy......

http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/edu...Carshalton_school_into_Harris_Academy/?ref=rl

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I know from personal experience that with the current government you get no choice - 92% of parents said no to Harris Academy......

http://www.suttonguardian.co.uk/edu...Carshalton_school_into_Harris_Academy/?ref=rl

nothing to do with grammar schools unfortunately

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

nothing to do with grammar schools unfortunately

It to do with choice in education fortunately

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

I would have thought that if lots of pupils are now bused in the answer is more Grammar schools in the areas they live rather than the comprehensives their parents obviously reject.

As already mentioned. There has been a ban on all new build Grammar schools since 1998 and its very unlikely anymore will ever be built. The idea was to abolish Grammar schools like they have in Scotland & Wales. I think Northern Ireland still has Grammar schools but they no longer use the 11+ for selection.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'm quite happy to admit I was a so-called 11+ "failure".

I'm also quite happy to talk about my academic qualifications,which extend from O/A levels to a (BA Hons.) Degree in Politics, (from Birmingham Polytechnic),a PGCE in Social Studies /Remedial Education (from Avery Hill College of Education,London) and a M.A. in T.E.S.O.L (from The Institute of Education,University of London).

Hmm, I can see that it has held you back academically.

If you'd have been bright enough where would you have liked to have studied instead?

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

It to do with choice in education fortunately

so you agree that parents should have the choice of grammar schools.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

so you agree that parents should have the choice of grammar schools.

I don't see any value in placing children into one school or another based on one exam at the age of 11. Parents don't get a choice of grammar school - the school chooses not the parents.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I don't see any value in placing children into one school or another based on one exam at the age of 11. Parents don't get a choice of grammar school - the school chooses not the parents.

Parents do not have that choice in certain areas. You believe in choice so long as you set the terms for the choice.

 

[Jam_Man]

I don't see any value in placing children into one school or another based on one exam at the age of 11. Parents don't get a choice of grammar school - the school chooses not the parents.

Thats not the case, if our daughter passed we would have selected WHS out of the two available and she would have gone there.

 

[callan]

Hmm, I can see that it has held you back academically.

If you'd have been bright enough where would you have liked to have studied instead?

I think his first choice was Hogwarts....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Parents do not have that choice in certain areas. You believe in choice so long as you set the terms for the choice.

Why do you persist in telling people what they think? The correct way to have a conversation is to ask someone what they think not to tell them. You have resorted to this constantly.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Thats not the case, if our daughter passed we would have selected WHS out of the two available and she would have gone there.

Yes if more than one school offers you a place then you have a choice of school but it has been stated that 15% of the grammar places are filled by locals and as that is 15% of the children in those schools that means as a % of 11 to 16 year olds in the catchment area a tiny proportion have the choice of going to the grammar or not. If your choice is to go to your nearest school and your nearest school is a grammer then you are statistically not very likely to be given that choice.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Why do you persist in telling people what they think? The correct way to have a conversation is to ask someone what they think not to tell them. You have resorted to this constantly.

Good grief!

 

[Jam_Man]

Yes if more than one school offers you a place then you have a choice of school but it has been stated that 15% of the grammar places are filled by locals and as that is 15% of the children in those schools that means as a % of 11 to 16 year olds in the catchment area a tiny proportion have the choice of going to the grammar or not. If your choice is to go to your nearest school and your nearest school is a grammer then you are statistically not very likely to be given that choice.

Well no because you have to pass the entry you cant just choose to go there because its close so yes your choice is resticted in that way.

But if my daughter passed the exam she would have 100% gone there.

Its nothing to do with how many outsiders go, its qualifying via the 11+ that reduces your chance of getting in and therefore restricts your choice in that way.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Well no because you have to pass the entry you cant just choose to go there because its close so yes your choice is resticted in that way.

But if my daughter passed the exam she would have 100% gone there.

Its nothing to do with how many outsiders go, its qualifying via the 11+ that reduces your chance of getting in and therefore restricts your choice in that way.

If they have 300 places and 300 kids get 90% in the test and 200 of those are not in the catchment then without those kids you may only have needed 85% to get in. They will need to fill the spaces they have so of course the less people you are competing with increases your chances.

Getting a bit over specific though so we may be boring others. My main point really is that I don't want my choice of schools for my kids limited by gender, religion, finance or the ability to pass a test at the age of 11.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

If they have 300 places and 300 kids get 90% in the test and 200 of those are not in the catchment then without those kids you may only have needed 85% to get in. They will need to fill the spaces they have so of course the less people you are competing with increases your chances.

Getting a bit over specific though so we may be boring others. My main point really is that I don't want my choice of schools for my kids limited by gender, religion, finance or the ability to pass a test at the age of 11.

Then lucky for you that maybe you get the choice to send them to a failing primary school then.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Then lucky for you that maybe you get the choice to send them to a failing primary school then.

Rather a negative attitude - so any school not a grammar is failing? What they are achieving under such circumstances should really be applauded then.

 

[callan]

If they have 300 places and 300 kids get 90% in the test and 200 of those are not in the catchment then without those kids you may only have needed 85% to get in. They will need to fill the spaces they have so of course the less people you are competing with increases your chances.

Getting a bit over specific though so we may be boring others. My main point really is that I don't want my choice of schools for my kids limited by gender, religion, finance or the ability to pass a test at the age of 11.

I won't have that you are boring AAS....can we settle on misguided perhaps?

Just because you choose not to have the choice of gender, Religion, financial / academic ability etc for your child, it gives you no right to impose this on others.

Isn't the true litmus test of this that if mixed Comprehensives were truly great places, it wouldn't matter.