Daydream Believer

[Rob Noxious]

Not so wonderful tonight...

But Bob was better;)
Come to think of it so were Clapton and Joan Armatrading:clap:

Clapton?! :madman:

Clapton - most over-rated performer I can imagine! It was good to hear 'Layla' that day, but the rest of it - tosh tosh and triple tosh!

Let's not forget that this was the man who two years earlier, speaking from a stage in Joan's native Birmingham, had said "send them back"...a key act towards the formation of 'Rock Against Racism.'

Joan was good, so was your beloved Bob. Musical taste is intensely personal and subjective though - I enjoyed GP & The Rumour most, so on that day they were 'better' for me.

Well said Billy - GP was very good at Blackbushe

Don't take it from me - Richie knows! :clap:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Clapton?! :madman:

<Clapton - most over-rated performer I can imagine! It was good to hear 'Layla' that day, but the rest of it - tosh tosh and triple tosh!<

Having seen him on various occasions here and and in London I've pretty much come round to this point of view.Certainly the best I've ever seen him play was when he toured his "From the cradle" Blues album at the Palau Saint Jordi.Great musicians on stage including Andy Fairweather Low and our very own David Bronze and "God" didn't deign to introduce them to the audience!After that I swore I'd never go and see him again and haven't.

<Let's not forget that this was the man who two years earlier, speaking from a stage in Joan's native Birmingham, had said "send them back"...a key act towards the formation of 'Rock Against Racism.' <

Yes but to be fair if you read his autobiography,he apologises for the remarks and claims he was drunk.Still doen'tmake what he said in any way forgivable though.

.<Don't take it from me - Richie knows! :clap:

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Richie's younger brother- who goes by the name of Jerry these days-also went to Blackbush and walked out after Clapton had played:stunned:

 

[Rob Noxious]

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Richie's younger brother- who goes by the name of Jerry these days-also went to Blackbush and walked out after Clapton had played:stunned:

I would have liked to walk out during the set, but I was curious to see the man called Bob. Remember quite a few people around me being quite bamboozled - not just by organic substances - by reggae versions of his back catalogue...:)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yeah the reggae was what made it so great.Even if you knew the lyrics well( which both me and Richard did) it still took you about halfway into each number to work out what the song was.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Anyone for 'Americana'...?

...then worth checking out Robert Fisher's latest ensemble of Willard Grant Conspiracy. I saw them at The Acorn Theatre in Penzance last night and they provided a veritable treasure-trove of atmospheric Americana, Robert's rich baritone reverberating around The Acorn in pure effortless depth. They were only a four-piece last night with an electric violin-player (who also played a saw on one song :stunned:) and a Scottish alt.folky couple - 'Doghouse Roses' - who supported on guitars and backing vocals respectively, combining to harmonious effect. Robert's droll bonhomie set the tone making it a friendly intimate evening as he introduced each song with the story behind it, except for the classic 'Soft Hand,' which is kind of self-evident subject matter ("All I need is a soft hand to guide me in") though some punter in Bristol asked him the other night "is that what I think it's about?" Only a tenner too and if you see them in a venue like The Acorn which sells Heligan's Honey, then you'll be smiling despite the darkness of some of the songs.

 

[Rob Noxious]

John Lennon - 'Crippled Inside'

Deleted due to being gratuitous tosh.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

My story relates to a couple of scouse lasses that my mate (the late Rob Jennings) pulled, and he was looking to offload his gooseberry.

Hey canveyshrimper, I remember Rob Jennings from Leigh Comm and following Southend in the bigger games that he tended to go too.
He was a friend of my friend Rowan Greenslade and would always talk to me even tho I was a lot younger. I liked him a lot, he had a presence about him.
He had a bit of cult hero status in Leigh as he famously arranged a posse and was first in to the battle with the travelling showmen at the Chalkwell park fair after a lad from Leigh was given a undeserved very bad pasting from 3 travellers there.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Hey canveyshrimper, I remember Rob Jennings from Leigh Comm and following Southend in the bigger games that he tended to go too.
He was a friend of my friend Rowan Greenslade and would always talk to me even tho I was a lot younger. I liked him a lot, he had a presence about him.
He had a bit of cult hero status in Leigh as he famously arranged a posse and was first in to the battle with the travelling showmen at the Chalkwell park fair after a lad from Leigh was given a undeserved very bad pasting from 3 travellers there.

Yes, Rob was a good lad to have on your side, he was also known as Chunky because although he wasn't the tallest he was a solid citizen. I'd forgotten the Chalkwell Park "battle". Rob and I also liked the Leeds side of the late 60's and early 70's and would often go up to games when Blues weren't playing.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Watching the wheels(go round and round)

Those of you who are familiar with my interests will know that I have a preoccupation with music of yesteryear, not least because it catapults me back to the times when I first heard a song and what was going on for me then. It's an introspective pastime, but it sometimes can give another perspective on those around me too.

I've been thinking about this John Lennon song a bit recently. I am a Social Worker by trade and the work sometimes involves trying to understand the often harrowing experiences of some very vulnerable people out there. One guy I know has had difficulties for all his adult life and though you might say it's a cop-out, I feel 'the system' let him down somewhat as his brain injury wasn't diagnosed properly at the time and he can 'present' - a naff Social Work word but too lazy to think of another - as a really awkward cuss and take out a lot of his anger at anyone who doesn't do things as he would want them. His aggression and self-righteousness has alienated many people along the way, but I guess some things are beyond his control because of this brain damage. I can't hear this song now without thinking of him. He does not see himself as disabled and he copes well with help from a dedicated group of carers who have supported him for many years. His 'care team' have shown me that the trick of helping someone with this kind of problem is to collude with the delusion that he is in control, as it defuses tensions and helps his self-esteem. This strategy works a treat and generally provides the basis for a 'win-win' situation.

I remember an experienced psychiatric nurse once telling me that he had to go against all his instincts when doing this work - he was from Glasgow and could look after himself - and not respond with aggression to the guys who were giving him some. I feel like this a lot of the time too, but you've got to be self-disciplined and not show it back or you'll blow the situation. You have to be a bit of an actor to do the job, which has certainly helped me with this scenario. So, I guess the moral of this musical tale is this - even if our friend can't hide how much he's 'crippled inside,' treat him with courtesy and respect and you never know, he may just end up trying to be reasonable back. Decency, folks, that's what the world needs - helped along with a few mind games too!

For many people of my generation(including myself) John Lennon is an authentic working class hero.Not only for his fantastic music and lyrics but also for the way he managed to turn his life around before his tragic and untimely death.
In my life(nudge,nudge etc)I have also been through many changes.Now, in my late 50's, I'm not the same person I was in my 20's,30's or even forties.Some people in the UK (and elsewhere)I've noticed prefer to keep their image of people as they were and not as they are now.Social workers and others in the caring professions have a vested interest in labelling people.Life however is a dynamic not a static process.People change.John Lennon knew this.As he said "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans".Some people don't have children,have had more than their fair share of unsuccessful relationships but feel free to label other people as self -righteous and aggressive.They're too self-centred and self-obsessed to notice change in other people.Mind games indeed.As John Lennon said:"Just give me some truth.All I want is the truth."

 

[Mrs S]

For many people of my generation(including myself) John Lennon is an authentic working class hero.Not only for his fantastic music and lyrics but also for the way he managed to turn his life around before his tragic and untimely death.
In my life(nudge,nudge etc)I have also been through many changes.Now, in my late 50's, I'm not the same person I was in my 20's,30's or even forties.Some people in the UK (and elsewhere)I've noticed prefer to keep their image of people as they were and not as they are now.Social workers and others in the caring professions have a vested interest in labelling people.Life however is a dynamic not a static process.People change.John Lennon knew this.As he said "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans".Some people don't have children,have had more than their fair share of unsuccessful relationships but feel free to label other people as self -righteous and aggressive.They're too self-centred and self-obsessed to notice change in other people.Mind games indeed.As John Lennon said:"Just give me some truth.All I want is the truth."

Truth. Ah yes - a subjective concept if ever there was ....

Not really so sure of the notion of "unsuccessful" relationships. Should a relationship be deemed "unsuccessful" purely for the fact it does not last 'forever'? Or is the mark of success in recognising that a union has run it's course and in being able to let go, move on and form new relationships equally "sucessful" in their own right and for the duration of their time ..... sometimes people turn out to be not what they may at first appear, and it is a sad waste of life to stay with the wrong person in the misguided pursuit of "success". Surely more of a "success" to get pick y'self up, dust y'self down, and start all over again ... particularly when what comes next so often turns out to be so much more than what went before ... although even this, of course, is merely one truth amongst many .... :cool:

 

[Cricko]

Truth. Ah yes - a subjective concept if ever there was ....

Not really so sure of the notion of "unsuccessful" relationships. Should a relationship be deemed "unsuccessful" purely for the fact it does not last 'forever'? Or is the mark of success in recognising that a union has run it's course and in being able to let go, move on and form new relationships equally "sucessful" in their own right and for the duration of their time ..... sometimes people turn out to be not what they may at first appear, and it is a sad waste of life to stay with the wrong person in the misguided pursuit of "success". Surely more of a "success" to get pick y'self up, dust y'self down, and start all over again ... particularly when what comes next so often turns out to be so much more than what went before ... although even this, of course, is merely one truth amongst many .... :cool:

Wise words Mrs S..there is no such thing as failure, time and people change.Maybe the only comment I have a slight problem with is the bold txt, maybe learning from past mistakes comes in to play here. Overall though first impressions of people are never who they are.Grow together or grow apart.

 

[Mrs S]

Wise words Mrs S..there is no such thing as failure, time and people change.Maybe the only comment I have a slight problem with is the bold txt, maybe learning from past mistakes comes in to play here. Overall though first impressions of people are never who they are.Grow together or grow apart.

Wasn't bold when I posted it, but yes, I know what you mean: everyone will put their own slant on this, but some may take offense at the word 'mistakes' ... but yes, sometimes it is that we learn, and other times it is more luck and the happy coincidence of circumtance.... my main point was the notion of truth and the fact that what is true for one may not be for another. Or something like that.

 

[Rob Noxious]

The Beatles - 'In My Life'

For many people of my generation(including myself) John Lennon is an authentic working class hero.Not only for his fantastic music and lyrics but also for the way he managed to turn his life around before his tragic and untimely death."

I guess we all need our heroes. John Lennon's lyrics were indeed fantastic and though I particularly liked the visceral edge he expressed with his Plastic Ono Band material, I think his music never subsequently matched that he made with Macca in The Beatles.

This particular track is my favourite. Although it appears self-centred, it has an 'everyman' feel about it and evokes reminiscence, compassion and warmth in a moving celebration of the author's life and the people who have helped to form it. I don't buy the whole Lennon myth - the guy was no saint - but this song is up there as one of the finest of all time. For that, I guess we can forgive people their shortcomings.

 

[Rob Noxious]

The Smiths - 'This Night Has Opened My Eyes'

Some people don't have children,have had more than their fair share of unsuccessful relationships but feel free to label other people as self -righteous and aggressive.They're too self-centred and self-obsessed to notice change in other people..."

I was thinking about this one the other day on answering the 'Desert Island Discs' challenge. I've rarely been able to get it out of my head since and now I feel a need to share it with you ...

For someone who is unlikely to become a parent, Morrissey betrays a moving empathy with a young mother in this haunting track. It is not one that even some Smiths fans wax lyrical about generally, but I think it's the deepest song they ever did. Morrissey fancied himself as a lyricist for many years before The Smiths hit the national airwaves in 1983, but many people somehow overlooked much of the arch humour that was characteristic of his best songs. However, this one is stark, tender and melancholic; it has a powerful evocation of loss in its 'feel' and some of the lines are pure poetry. There are some classic images framed in these lines, with this being the stand-out, eg:-

"A shoeless child on a swing reminds you of your own again
She took away your troubles but then again she left pain ..."

It was originally released on 'A Hatful of Hollow' in 1984, probably my favourite record of theirs. I'm currently listening to it on a rather fine compilation called 'Louder Than Bombs.' I'm preparing to be shot down in flames here as even some sensible people I know loathe The Smiths, but hey ho ... what harm did words ever do ?

 

[Rob Noxious]

Nick Lowe - 'I Love My Label'

Social workers and others in the caring professions have a vested interest in labelling people...Some people...feel free to label other people as self -righteous and aggressive.They're too self-centred and self-obsessed to notice change in other people."

I love a good label more than most ... the word 'recidivist' is one used by some psychiatric nurses I know, and it's one of my favourites. In this instance though, Phil, I've not used any labels. If I'd used words such as 'sociopath,' 'schizophrenic,' 'obsessive compulsive,' then I'd hold my hands up and and accept a yellow card. Not here though, I've used words to describe behaviours I know, much as you've used words to describe those you do, ie self-centred and self-obsessed. Anyway, the labels I'm most interested in are sung about by Nick Lowe - find me one of those good old Trojan labels, and I'm as happy as a recidivist. :)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Wise words Mrs S..there is no such thing as failure, time and people change.QUOTE]

Personally, I'm not so sure that there is no such thing as failure.:unsure:I certainly worked with a lot of so-called failures, ie homeless people and petty criminals, in my time in social work.Most of these people -although often pleasant enough individuals- couldn't hold down a job or succeed in a relationship for various different reasons.Certainly they were failures in society's eyes.As Bob Dylan said:"Nothing succeeds like failure.And failure's no sucess at all."

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Truth. Ah yes - a subjective concept if ever there was ....

Truth is of course a highly subjective concept,as you rightly say.That's why as a lifelong fan of Nye Bevan I've often quoted his remark(recently used by The Manic Street Preachers):-"This is my truth.Now tell me yours."

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Truth. Ah yes - a subjective concept if ever there was ....

Not really so sure of the notion of "unsuccessful" relationships. Should a relationship be deemed "unsuccessful" purely for the fact it does not last 'forever'? Or is the mark of success in recognising that a union has run it's course and in being able to let go, move on and form new relationships equally "sucessful" in their own right and for the duration of their time ..... sometimes people turn out to be not what they may at first appear, and it is a sad waste of life to stay with the wrong person in the misguided pursuit of "success". Surely more of a "success" to get pick y'self up, dust y'self down, and start all over again ... particularly when what comes next so often turns out to be so much more than what went before ... although even this, of course, is merely one truth amongst many .... :cool:

This is really rather good.All your own work?:)
I particularly like the unattributed reference to the Beatles Help.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Nowhere Boy/Man

John Lennon's lyrics were indeed fantastic and though I particularly liked the visceral edge he expressed with his Plastic Ono Band material, I think his music never subsequently matched that he made with Macca in The Beatles.QUOTE]


Rob,
I think I'd probably have to disagree with you on this one.While I admire some of Lennon's work with The Beatles,especially Help,Nowhere Man,Daytripper,The Ballard of John and Yoko etc and as you say In my life IMO the best work he ever did was his first solo album with the Plastic Ono Band.
Check out Nowhere Boy btw it's an excellent film.I'm suprised none of the critics have compared it to David Essex's That'll be the day which it rather resembles as a coming of age film.

 

[Mrs S]

This is really rather good.All your own work?:)
I particularly like the unattributed reference to the Beatles Help.

Oh Phil, y'old smooth talker you: a compliment (of sorts) at long last .... the supposed reference to the Beatles is, however, completely of your own inference: all I wrote here was my own humble thoughts.