Dan Bentley to leeds?

[andykn]

the greater value, for me, is in us being more likely to retain our League 1 status with him between the sticks.
having a second season at this level is achievable with this squad so the greater risk is losing our best player (in my view).

if we stay up then we can consolidate and go again (i very much doubt we'll go up) so we keep him which is worth a lot to us plus then we might get more from the tribunal so the overall picture might not be depreciation

But won't a 250k striker score more goals (compared with what we've got) than Bentley will save (compared with an average League 1 (or even 2) keeper)?

 

[South Bank Hank]

But won't a 250k striker score more goals (compared with what we've got) than Bentley will save (compared with an average League 1 (or even 2) keeper)?

Interesting question, but probably no IMHO. Even in the games where we've coped well this season, I've had Dan down as being the difference of a goal a game so far. Like most top players, he makes it look so easy but there have already been so many great saves when players were favourites to score. What a great piece of work by the club to turn down the bids we had at the end of last season. I truly believe he's the difference for us.

 

[Jam_Man]

James Walker cost us over 200k, Foran almost that.

I wouldnt say 250k for a striker buys you much.

 

[andykn]

Interesting question, but probably no IMHO. Even in the games where we've coped well this season, I've had Dan down as being the difference of a goal a game so far. Like most top players, he makes it look so easy but there have already been so many great saves when players were favourites to score. What a great piece of work by the club to turn down the bids we had at the end of last season. I truly believe he's the difference for us.

I remember the Swindon keeper making it look equally easy earlier this season. Being a great "shot-stopper" is often used as praise but it's a pre requisite for a league keeper - there's been plenty of great saves the other end from Dan even in the few matches I've seen so far this season.

 

[andykn]

James Walker cost us over 200k, Foran almost that.

I wouldnt say 250k for a striker buys you much.

And Collymore cost us 150k.

But I think you'd be able to improve on our current strike force with 250k. We've one of the lowest goals scored tallies of the league.

 

[Chalky]

The question I ask myself is 'How good is he really?' sometimes I think he will go far in the game but then sometimes I do think he is a tad hyped up. You must bear in mind he has got a good defence in front of him

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

But won't a 250k striker score more goals (compared with what we've got) than Bentley will save (compared with an average League 1 (or even 2) keeper)?

not necessarily. i'm also trying to price in the risk of the unknown. with Bentley we have a whole team set up on the basis of a solid defence and the odd goal at the other end. whilst i don't think we tend to be defensive under Big Phil we do miss a lot of chances. if someone could take those chances that would be great and maybe those additional goals would balance out the difference between Bentley and A N Other but a) who would the striker replace b) would they put the shift in for the team and c) would they actually take enough chances to make up for the lack of Bentley?
of course the replacement for Bentley might be just as good and the striker would improve us but that's uncertain at best and unlikely at worst

 

[Ex-Member1]

Very complimentary piece on Anglia News about Dan, including interview, well worth watching.

 

[wakes123]

But won't a 250k striker score more goals (compared with what we've got) than Bentley will save (compared with an average League 1 (or even 2) keeper)?

My personal opinion is no. I think Bentley could save us 10 points this season, maybe more. He's pretty much guaranteed to make great saves each week he's done it consistently this year and last. You get a 250k striker there's no guarantee at all he will start banging them in and winning us games.

 

[wakes123]

The question I ask myself is 'How good is he really?' sometimes I think he will go far in the game but then sometimes I do think he is a tad hyped up. You must bear in mind he has got a good defence in front of him

I have no doubt he will go far in the game.

If you just think back over the last 1 1/2 years - how many mistakes (obvious mares...not just bad kicks etc). has he made? Maybe 1 or 2 but how many worldy saves has he made? Loads.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

i was at Charlton v Fulham the other week. Nick Pope was in goal for Charlton who's been talked about on here as being good and in my opinion he is as good as those two on show there.

Bentley's handling looks solid and dependable. he is reliable and reasonably commanding. he has an authority about him and commands his area.

however, those two were playing in the second tier and i've only seen Bentley in the fourth and third tiers.
I was at Welling v Lincoln recently and both keepers there looked alright.

i often think that one of the great unknowns, and where scouts earn their money, is how well one player can transfer to different leagues and teams.

i've no idea if Bentley would be as good outside of his current environment and league.

we'll know in 12 months time

 

[South Bank Hank]

Interesting question, but probably no IMHO. Even in the games where we've coped well this season, I've had Dan down as being the difference of a goal a game so far. Like most top players, he makes it look so easy but there have already been so many great saves when players were favourites to score. What a great piece of work by the club to turn down the bids we had at the end of last season. I truly believe he's the difference for us.

I remember the Swindon keeper making it look equally easy earlier this season. Being a great "shot-stopper" is often used as praise but it's a pre requisite for a league keeper - there's been plenty of great saves the other end from Dan even in the few matches I've seen so far this season.

I think it was obvious I was talking about the abilities beyond the pre-requisites, you know, the sort of game changing stuff that might attract the number of scouts Bentley appears to regularly attract for instance, the non-routine ones the others just aren't making.

Are you really suggesting Dan's no better than the others in this League?

 

[londonblue]

i was at Charlton v Fulham the other week. Nick Pope was in goal for Charlton who's been talked about on here as being good and in my opinion he is as good as those two on show there.

Bentley's handling looks solid and dependable. he is reliable and reasonably commanding. he has an authority about him and commands his area.

however, those two were playing in the second tier and i've only seen Bentley in the fourth and third tiers.
I was at Welling v Lincoln recently and both keepers there looked alright.

i often think that one of the great unknowns, and where scouts earn their money, is how well one player can transfer to different leagues and teams.

i've no idea if Bentley would be as good outside of his current environment and league.

we'll know in 12 months time

Other than the obvious goalkeeping attributes the main thing Bentley has is his age. He is still very young (especially in goalkeeping terms) and therefore has huge potential. He's good enough now, but just think how much better he'll be in a few years with the right coaching.

 

[RobM]

"...however, those two were playing in the second tier and i've only seen Bentley in the fourth and third tiers.
I was at Welling v Lincoln recently and both keepers there looked alright."

I don't reckon you can rate a 'keeper in a single game - he might be Fumbly Fred next match. If a 'keeper makes the occasional "Oops!" nobody wants to know him. If a striker makes an "Oops!" then we think "You gotta miss some to score some".

Who'd be a goalie? It's like being a bassist - you're needed but, like pickled onion, you'd rather not!

 

[Jay_SUFC]

Other than the obvious goalkeeping attributes the main thing Bentley has is his age. He is still very young (especially in goalkeeping terms) and therefore has huge potential. He's good enough now, but just think how much better he'll be in a few years with the right coaching.

Good enough now for what?

People keep saying that a move to QPR or Hull would have be good, but he won't displace Green or McGregor anytime soon, so is sitting on the bench really what he needs at this stage?

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

Other than the obvious goalkeeping attributes the main thing Bentley has is his age. He is still very young (especially in goalkeeping terms) and therefore has huge potential. He's good enough now, but just think how much better he'll be in a few years with the right coaching.

very true. i was really interested in seeing Nick Pope because they're of a similar age.
i don't think Bentley lost anything in comparison

 

[andykn]

I think it was obvious I was talking about the abilities beyond the pre-requisites, you know, the sort of game changing stuff that might attract the number of scouts Bentley appears to regularly attract for instance, the non-routine ones the others just aren't making.

Are you really suggesting Dan's no better than the others in this League?

Not at all, just that a good striker would make a much bigger difference.

 

[londonblue]

Looks like this might now not happen.

Rossler goes

 

[Angell Delight]

Bentley is not only commanding and a terrific shot-stopper but he also has fantastic and rapid distribution - this is a huge asset for us and we'll miss it when he goes. Up there with Federici IMHO as the best keeper I've seen at Southend in my time (and we've had some bloody good ones alongside those two in Royce, Flavs, Sansome).

 

[Streaky]

Steve Evans to Dirty Leeds - Match made in heaven...