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Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

The Romany gypsies lived around the Woodcutters area as you mentioned, with a few ending up in council houses in Stonehill Road. The other half lived in the Rochford area. These are a different breed of gypsies. They tended to be tough, but only with each other or when started on. A lot used to drink in the Anne Boleyn many years ago. They tended to earn their money legally with labouring or building jobs or such like. This other lot that are known as travellers or pikeys tend to play the system more, regarding benefits and switching names. They are more known for metal theft, Plant hire theft, Red Diesel theft, petrol theft, roofing, pathway, garden and driveway scams, and flytipping.

Absolutely. I met Ester Spencer who I was at school with who was one of the Romany gypsies a few years ago at a Council function at Porters. She was at that time Chair of the the Pre School Learning alliance. Very respectable. Lovely woman.
 
Hope they get evicted in the coming days (Wednesday night I think they can start from?) - about time the country showed some spine and acted in the due course of the law rather than letting people off for petty reasons. Still have a faint worry though that they'll back down at the last minute and they'll be allowed to stay. Hope not.
 
Hope they get evicted in the coming days (Wednesday night I think they can start from?) - about time the country showed some spine and acted in the due course of the law rather than letting people off for petty reasons. Still have a faint worry though that they'll back down at the last minute and they'll be allowed to stay. Hope not.

Im all in favour of kicking them out but where will they go? If they leave Dale Farm and end up nearer to me I wont be too happy.
 
I think you will find that they will be ushered West bound, towards the M25. A lot of them have other legal plots in council managed travellers sites in Cambridgeshire. Some have council homes in Wolverhampton and elsewhere. Others have plots or homes in Ireland. Some of this came out in investigation into benefit fraud at Dale Farm. Many had lied about what they own, and some had used different names.
 
I think you will find that they will be ushered West bound, towards the M25. A lot of them have other legal plots in council managed travellers sites in Cambridgeshire. Some have council homes in Wolverhampton and elsewhere. Others have plots or homes in Ireland. Some of this came out in investigation into benefit fraud at Dale Farm. Many had lied about what they own, and some had used different names.

Part of the above taken from the Echo.

Council officials have launched a joint investigation with Wolverhampton City Council, after an Echo story revealed travellers left the Midlands to set up camp in Crays Hill.

Basildon Council leader Malcolm Buckley is in urgent talks with counterparts in Wolverhampton over our revelations about the Dale Farm site last week.

He said information had also been passed to the Department for Work and Pensions, which is investigating possible benefit fraud.

Mr Buckley said: "Our officers are liaising with Wolverhampton.

"Depending on the outcome, we will assess what action is needed, if any. Our housing department will be looking at claims made by travellers at Dale Farm for homelessness, to make sure they are valid.

"There could be implications if people hold tenancies up there while making homelessness claims in Basildon."

Mr Buckley also said the council would find out of if any new information it unearthed could be passed to planning inspector Ruth MacKenzie, who chaired last week's public inquiry into the site.

A Department for Work and Pensions spokesman said: "We take all allegations of benefit fraud very seriously and will investigate where appropriate."

David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, has forwarded the Echo's expose to secretary of state Ruth Kelly, who will have the final say over the site's future.

He is calling for a joint agency investigation into travellers' finances at Oak Lane and wants to know why they were granted legal aid for the inquiry when many ran companies in Europe.

Reports from visitors to the side said many plots were boarded up and closed off with barbed wire, while occupants were away working on the continent.

Campaigner Grattan Puxon claims many have block paving companies in France, Germany and Spain, and travel there to work, leaving behind only older relatives and children.

Essex County Council has confirmed it has paid for the London Care agency to look after elderly travellers while their relatives are away.

Mr McPherson-Davis said: "A Basildon Council report showed most families received benefits and hardly any men were registered living at the site.

"We know the latest inquiry was funded by legal aid. It now appears a number of men are apparently in gainful employment. This warrants investigation."
 
The good news out of all of this is that I'm up for an award for finding Vanessa Redgrave's caravan and getting an interview broadcast before all the national media even had a clue she was there.

Thank you Dale Farm travellers. Neutrality does have its rewards.
 
The good news out of all of this is that I'm up for an award for finding Vanessa Redgrave's caravan and getting an interview broadcast before all the national media even had a clue she was there.

Thank you Dale Farm travellers. Neutrality does have its rewards.

Was she the person who fed you the bullsh*t that they were all being evicted?
 
Was she the person who fed you the bullsh*t that they were all being evicted?

My, you have a bee on your bonnet, getting stressed over something you have no control of.

I'm just pleased it was her views and those of the travellers, the councillors charged with the responsibility of upholding the eviction order, and those of nearby residents who wished to speak, that were aired. Someone slightly annoyed sitting at a keyboard lends itself to a modicum of amiserment though.
 
My, you have a bee on your bonnet, getting stressed over something you have no control of.

I'm just pleased it was her views and those of the travellers, the councillors charged with the responsibility of upholding the eviction order, and those of nearby residents who wished to speak, that were aired. Someone slightly annoyed sitting at a keyboard lends itself to a modicum of amiserment though.

No bee in my bonnet - care to answer my question though? Didn't hear your interview so its not a comment on that.
 
No bee in my bonnet - care to answer my question though? Didn't hear your interview so its not a comment on that.

It's not so much a question as a thinly veiled insult though.

It's also uncanny how often, when someone's genuinely mistaken about certain facets of any situation, that it's construed by others as deliberately peddling lies but not expressed as politely. Which again is a source of slight amusement. For further reference to anything like this, take a look at the readers comments at the online editions of the Daily Mail and the Guardian. It brightens up many a morning.

As for the question at hand, it's pretty irrelevant. It's not my views that were aired. Any information that was broadcast came from the people involved at Dale Farm. I'm the guy that phones the police.
 
Them personally no , but a few Rom and how some of them live (not just here but abroad as well ) , yes their hardly saints but they all different .... and most of them hate pikies ;) .

A good friend of mine his dad for many many years was a liaison between local council and the Rom who came down to hockley and few other local places and they never had any major issues . Mind you GHG are you old enough to remember teh first wave of closing their sites etc in teh 60's and 70's ??

No, I'm old but not quite that old but I can speak from experience. My fathers best friend was a chap called Albert Stone, a bear of a man who crossed the river Rhine with his rifle above his head during the rescue mission of Arnhem in WW11. He reminded me of Harry Worth but was a fearsome fighter and was not to be messed with. His wife was once ganged up on by several of the women in the street so when he come home from work he visited everyone of the husbands to sort it out and left the lot spreadeagled on their front gardens. Albert was a gypsy, english to the core but with a romany background. I reckon his heritage had skipped a generation or two because he hadn't the dark skinned looks rather a fair skinned ginger haired complection and suffered terribly from sun burn. Those old enough to remember will know that Eastwood was basicly fields back in the late 50's and 60's and had quite a large gypsy community, note this now, gypsy community, not traveller.

Alberts mum and dad had a small holding over that way, nothing special, just a caravan parked in a field with a couple of horses grazing and some chickens which were fenced off. They had been there for years and were no bother to anybody, the council left them be and the locals did likewise. The place was tidy and everyone was happy with the arrangement. One day, three caravans turned up and set up camp at the bottom of his field. It turned out that they were Irish Travellers. Alberts parents weren't bothered as they were well away from them so didn't cause a commotion. A couple of days later he noticed his chicken population was somewhat deplited and putting two and two together and went to have a word with the new arrivals. He was threatened and told his fortune so he phoned his son. Albert duly turned up and went to have a quite word and for his trouble was surrounded and told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't depart post haste then he was looking at a serious good hiding and to make funeral arrangements for his parents. Albert backed off, then returned in the early hours and petrol bombed all caravans and laid out two of them when they came out dazed and chocking with a pickaxe handle. They weren't there the following morning.

Albert brought his kids up right. He taught them right from wrong and God help them if they crossed the line. I was babysat by two of them Sharon and David, they were trustworthy and respectful. David was a grafter. He would work all day every day and turn his hand to anything given half the chance but he was a little sensitive. He would take things to heart to easily which put off potential employers. He had been out off work for a while and was desperate to get back into the swing of things. He kept badgering a local builder for a start, his name escapes me but I do remember my dad telling me he was nasty piece of work who would take advantage of a bloke down on his luck at the drop of a hat. David kept on at him for a start in The Woodmans Pub in Thundersley one night but the nasty git scuppered him then told him to F off. David lost his rag and told him he was off to get a gun and shoot him. Said builder told him to do his worse and just to add injury to insult slagged off his family as well. David retired to the other bar, stewed on what was said and got himself rotton drunk, then he went home and got the shotgun. They found the body in the street and the head in a garden in Queensmere the next day.

David went on the run but after a phone call home to his dad he handed his self in and got 14 years. He escaped twice and was recaptured and had time added. He escaped a third time and has never been caught. Rumours abound as to where he is but I'm hardly going to mention that. My point is these where decent people and apart from a tragic drunken moment from one of them I would trust my kids lifes to these people.

Fast forward to my days at Johnson Controls in Progress Road. I worked with a Steve Bibby, Bibby being a huge gypsy family who have settled in Leigh, lovely bloke and a season ticket holder at Southend. Also I worked with a lad called Danny Griesley who married into the Buckey family, another massive gypsy clan. Danny told me a great story about the day he asked for old man Buckeys daughters hand in marriage. Old man Buckey stood up and asked Danny to follow him. He took him upstairs to the bathroom where he kept his gun cabinet.

'Pick out a gun you really like the look of' said the father of the future bride.
'That's a nice one' says Danny pointing at a purdy side be side.
'Thats the one I'll shoot you with if you ever upset my daughter' smiles the future father of the bride.'Wellcome to the family'
And in Dannys own words ' I have been happly married ever since'

And now we fast track to the present but 10 years in the past. My first experience of Dale Farm was collecting a 3 month old BMW 7 Series with contaminated fuel. I drove onto the site and was instantly surrounded by swarms of kids who were straight into my lockers after anything they could have. Lucky for me the owner of the vehicle ****ed them off so I could load the motor in peace and take it to the dealership. I get to the dealership and a fitter straight away dips the tank and reveals that the motor is running on Kerosine. That's one down from rocket fuel, burns out the injectors and generally hands out a £5'000 bill before you start. Not surprisingly, most dealers wont touch it and muggings here has to take it back to the owner and explain why. They dont tend to call the dogs off when you return the vehicle in the same **** state you collected in.

I got promoted!! Surprised? Not as much as me but be as that may I was put in charge of Parking & Storage. And then I had full on close and personal with the likes of the Sheridens and Mc Carthys of Dale Farm. Dont get me wrong, I had to deal with plenty of the home grown ratbags of Basildon and Southend but the Dale Farm, Meadow Lane and Homefields Avenue lot were in a leauge of their own. I was, deep breath, threatened with death, broken arms, legs, neck, back, spleen and fingers. I was going to have my liver punched and kicked out as was my bollocks, lungs, guts, spine, kidneys and shins, my family was threatened, my house was going to be burnt down my neighbours houses were going to burnt down and, in their words, I couldn't do a thing about it'.

Redgrave and her Revolunity Workers Party bollocks doesn't know squat about living in and around these traveller sites and if as she has quoted that she is prepared tp live amongted them then crack on but just make sure she is there with the cameras rolling when they set light to the barracades or the cabbage and potatoes lose their appeal. Hampstead might well be calling her home by then.
 
No, I'm old but not quite that old but I can speak from experience. My fathers best friend was a chap called Albert Stone, a bear of a man who crossed the river Rhine with his rifle above his head during the rescue mission of Arnhem in WW11. He reminded me of Harry Worth but was a fearsome fighter and was not to be messed with. His wife was once ganged up on by several of the women in the street so when he come home from work he visited everyone of the husbands to sort it out and left the lot spreadeagled on their front gardens. Albert was a gypsy, english to the core but with a romany background. I reckon his heritage had skipped a generation or two because he hadn't the dark skinned looks rather a fair skinned ginger haired complection and suffered terribly from sun burn. Those old enough to remember will know that Eastwood was basicly fields back in the late 50's and 60's and had quite a large gypsy community, note this now, gypsy community, not traveller.

Alberts mum and dad had a small holding over that way, nothing special, just a caravan parked in a field with a couple of horses grazing and some chickens which were fenced off. They had been there for years and were no bother to anybody, the council left them be and the locals did likewise. The place was tidy and everyone was happy with the arrangement. One day, three caravans turned up and set up camp at the bottom of his field. It turned out that they were Irish Travellers. Alberts parents weren't bothered as they were well away from them so didn't cause a commotion. A couple of days later he noticed his chicken population was somewhat deplited and putting two and two together and went to have a word with the new arrivals. He was threatened and told his fortune so he phoned his son. Albert duly turned up and went to have a quite word and for his trouble was surrounded and told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't depart post haste then he was looking at a serious good hiding and to make funeral arrangements for his parents. Albert backed off, then returned in the early hours and petrol bombed all caravans and laid out two of them when they came out dazed and chocking with a pickaxe handle. They weren't there the following morning.

Albert brought his kids up right. He taught them right from wrong and God help them if they crossed the line. I was babysat by two of them Sharon and David, they were trustworthy and respectful. David was a grafter. He would work all day every day and turn his hand to anything given half the chance but he was a little sensitive. He would take things to heart to easily which put off potential employers. He had been out off work for a while and was desperate to get back into the swing of things. He kept badgering a local builder for a start, his name escapes me but I do remember my dad telling me he was nasty piece of work who would take advantage of a bloke down on his luck at the drop of a hat. David kept on at him for a start in The Woodmans Pub in Thundersley one night but the nasty git scuppered him then told him to F off. David lost his rag and told him he was off to get a gun and shoot him. Said builder told him to do his worse and just to add injury to insult slagged off his family as well. David retired to the other bar, stewed on what was said and got himself rotton drunk, then he went home and got the shotgun. They found the body in the street and the head in a garden in Queensmere the next day.

David went on the run but after a phone call home to his dad he handed his self in and got 14 years. He escaped twice and was recaptured and had time added. He escaped a third time and has never been caught. Rumours abound as to where he is but I'm hardly going to mention that. My point is these where decent people and apart from a tragic drunken moment from one of them I would trust my kids lifes to these people.

Fast forward to my days at Johnson Controls in Progress Road. I worked with a Steve Bibby, Bibby being a huge gypsy family who have settled in Leigh, lovely bloke and a season ticket holder at Southend. Also I worked with a lad called Danny Griesley who married into the Buckey family, another massive gypsy clan. Danny told me a great story about the day he asked for old man Buckeys daughters hand in marriage. Old man Buckey stood up and asked Danny to follow him. He took him upstairs to the bathroom where he kept his gun cabinet.

'Pick out a gun you really like the look of' said the father of the future bride.
'That's a nice one' says Danny pointing at a purdy side be side.
'Thats the one I'll shoot you with if you ever upset my daughter' smiles the future father of the bride.'Wellcome to the family'
And in Dannys own words ' I have been happly married ever since'

And now we fast track to the present but 10 years in the past. My first experience of Dale Farm was collecting a 3 month old BMW 7 Series with contaminated fuel. I drove onto the site and was instantly surrounded by swarms of kids who were straight into my lockers after anything they could have. Lucky for me the owner of the vehicle ****ed them off so I could load the motor in peace and take it to the dealership. I get to the dealership and a fitter straight away dips the tank and reveals that the motor is running on Kerosine. That's one down from rocket fuel, burns out the injectors and generally hands out a £5'000 bill before you start. Not surprisingly, most dealers wont touch it and muggings here has to take it back to the owner and explain why. They dont tend to call the dogs off when you return the vehicle in the same **** state you collected in.

I got promoted!! Surprised? Not as much as me but be as that may I was put in charge of Parking & Storage. And then I had full on close and personal with the likes of the Sheridens and Mc Carthys of Dale Farm. Dont get me wrong, I had to deal with plenty of the home grown ratbags of Basildon and Southend but the Dale Farm, Meadow Lane and Homefields Avenue lot were in a leauge of their own. I was, deep breath, threatened with death, broken arms, legs, neck, back, spleen and fingers. I was going to have my liver punched and kicked out as was my bollocks, lungs, guts, spine, kidneys and shins, my family was threatened, my house was going to be burnt down my neighbours houses were going to burnt down and, in their words, I couldn't do a thing about it'.

Redgrave and her Revolunity Workers Party bollocks doesn't know squat about living in and around these traveller sites and if as she has quoted that she is prepared tp live amongted them then crack on but just make sure she is there with the cameras rolling when they set light to the barracades or the cabbage and potatoes lose their appeal. Hampstead might well be calling her home by then.

While i agree with the principle of defending , and love the stories , i cant agree with the decapitation and murder of someone one (they could have just robed him ) . I do know Rom from different countries and various tribes and I totally agree for the most part they are brilliant people (some dodge cases of abuse in family need to be looked at but that was from a Swedishtribe). Decrying some of the anti social behaviour and then celebrating murder seems to run contrary to the ideas of knowing the difference of right and wrong ?
 
While i agree with the principle of defending , and love the stories , i cant agree with the decapitation and murder of someone one (they could have just robed him ) . I do know Rom from different countries and various tribes and I totally agree for the most part they are brilliant people (some dodge cases of abuse in family need to be looked at but that was from a Swedishtribe). Decrying some of the anti social behaviour and then celebrating murder seems to run contrary to the ideas of knowing the difference of right and wrong ?

To be fair osy I don't think that Grouty was condoning what David "Jed" Stone did, but pointing out the family were by and large good at heart. I remember the incident that GHG refers to well, but my memory is slightly different, in that Jed had had a row with the guy over a girl friend. We were in the Woodmans on the Saturday night and Jed steamed in heavily under the influence of alcohol, and saying he was going to shoot someone. He stewed for a while in the bar, had a few more drinks before leaving still muttering what he was about to do. We thought no more of it and left at closing time. When I got up the next morning I switched on the radio as normal just in time to catch the news and how the police were looking for a person who had shot & killed someone in Thundersley the previous night, my blood ran cold with shock. They caught up with him and as GHG says he was imprisoned but escaped twice and got away a third time and hasn't be recaptured, although rumours abound over his whereabouts.

Going back to Thundersley, Hadleigh and my youth, there were two other gypsy families of note, the Middletons in Thundersly & the Millers in Hadleigh. The Middletons lived really close by to me and I went to Dark Lane with the youngest brother Pat, who at age 10 had fists like legs of lamb and was always scrapping. His elder brother IIRC was John, and he was another big bloke who wouldn't back out of a scrap. The point is really with these families, was although they were rough & ready they did actually want to be part of the community, and were accepted accordingly.

It appears to me that all the residents of Dale Farm I've heard interviewed are all Irish diddicoys, and if they want to travel there's plenty of space in Ireland to travel in, why come to the UK and "travel"? The word travellers in this respect is a complete misnomer.
 
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/traveller-f...024328044.html

Yes, but, in the real world people pay their taxes and stuff! Looks like all the great unwashed from all over Europe are on their way to stick their two penn'orth in. Bloody human rights bollocks!

What I don't get is why the great unwashed are now saying it's OK to build illegally in greenbelt...i'll remind them of that if they protest when SUFC finally start building their new stadium legally.
 

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