Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

[Tangled up in Blue]

So why are other countries currently more open than we are with similar data figures and nowhere near as many people vaccinated? You avoided answering that bit. We have a vaccine that is allowing us to open up as one of the slowest countries.

Do you seriously want to risk lockdown 4? HMG don't.

(I can tell you that both Spain and France are being very careful indeed about opening up their economies).

 

[jackj13]

Do you seriously want to risk lockdown 4? HMG don't.

(I can tell you that both Spain and France are being very careful indeed about opening up their economies).

Careful, but still more open than here. So why can’t we? So opening with restrictions and over 20million people vaccinated will still risk a lockdown? I’m telling you this cannot go on much longer.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Careful, but still more open than here. So why can’t we? So opening with restrictions and over 20million people vaccinated will still risk a lockdown? I’m telling you this cannot go on much longer.

Plenty of people here and certainly in France think another lockdown is on the way.At least the massive vaccination program in the UK has given you a viable roadmap back out of the pandemic.

 

[jackj13]

Plenty of people here and certainly in France think another lockdown is on the way.At least the massive vaccination program in the UK has given you a viable roadmap back out of the pandemic.

Indeed but when the majority of those most likely to go into hospital with COVID have been vaccinated and with cases and deaths plummeting I can’t really see why healthy people can’t go for a haircut or sit in a pub with restrictions until April or May.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Indeed but when the majority of those most likely to go into hospital with COVID have been vaccinated and with cases and deaths plummeting I can’t really see why healthy people can’t go for a haircut or sit in a pub with restrictions until April or May.

Thought over 50's etc weren't guaranteed a second jab until late April? (All my UK friends of my age (69) have received their first jab.haven't heard of any of them getting their second yet.

 

[slapheadsteve]

Thought over 50's etc weren't guaranteed a second jab until late April? (All my UK friends of my age (69) have received their first jab.haven't heard of any of them getting their second yet.

I am 62 and got my letter yesterday to book a first and second jab on line. Which i did.
When you book on line i was given Wednesday 17th March at the Cliffs.
You also have to book your second jab which was Wednesday 2nd June again at the Cliffs.
So all booked within a couple of minutes

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I am 62 and got my letter yesterday to book a first and second jab on line. Which i did.
When you book on line i was given Wednesday 17th March at the Cliffs.
You also have to book your second jab which was Wednesday 2nd June again at the Cliffs.
So all booked within a couple of minutes

Just heard from my younger brother-2 years younger than you-that he's got his first jab tomorrow.

 

[jackj13]

Thought over 50's etc weren't guaranteed a second jab until late April? (All my UK friends of my age (69) have received their first jab.haven't heard of any of them getting their second yet.

Over 50’s are not high risk and 2nd is just a top up anyway. At first it was the vulnerable, now we’re past 20million. Our ease of restriction plan is just zero COVID under another name.

Looks like I’m going to just have to agree to disagree with people here. With so many people vaccinated and our data dropping by the day it’s crazy to think you cannot sit inside in a pub or restaurant with safety restrictions in place (such places caused no uptick in cases either) until the middle of may 2 1/2 months away but you can in other countries right now.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Over 50’s are not high risk and 2nd is just a top up anyway. At first it was the vulnerable, now we’re past 20million. Our ease of restriction plan is just zero COVID under another name.

Looks like I’m going to just have to agree to disagree with people here. With so many people vaccinated and our data dropping by the day it’s crazy to think you cannot sit inside in a pub or restaurant with safety restrictions in place (such places caused no uptick in cases either) until the middle of may 2 1/2 months away but you can in other countries right now.

Just a couple of months and no more lockdowns .. ever (let’s hope!). I’m happy to wait, to be honest, seeing how long we’ve kept going and all the sacrifices. I’m not missing the pub that bloody much!!

 

[jackj13]

Just a couple of months and no more lockdowns .. ever (let’s hope!). I’m happy to wait, to be honest, seeing how long we’ve kept going and all the sacrifices. I’m not missing the pub that bloody much!!

Say that too the owners and staff employed. The hospitality industry is really on the brink. A pub going to the wall an hour it’s estimated. The financial support doesn’t come close and many won’t even open when it’s outside only because they won’t come close to breaking even.

 

[jackj13]

It’s time to reopen society

Covid has virtually disappeared from hundreds of areas across England.

www.spiked-online.com

 

[rigsby]

Over 50’s are not high risk and 2nd is just a top up anyway. At first it was the vulnerable, now we’re past 20million. Our ease of restriction plan is just zero COVID under another name.

Looks like I’m going to just have to agree to disagree with people here. With so many people vaccinated and our data dropping by the day it’s crazy to think you cannot sit inside in a pub or restaurant with safety restrictions in place (such places caused no uptick in cases either) until the middle of may 2 1/2 months away but you can in other countries right now.

Now now jack, you know the rules.

You can catch covid in an independent business but if you buy the same items in Asda then you are immune.

If you go on a train you will catch covid, unless you work for a large company.

If you enter anywhere for one second with out a mask you could give the poor staff a death sentence but they can serve you without a mask.

If you left the country then quite rightly we should lock you up for 14 days....Unless your my brother in law and work in the film industry.....In case you don't know he is important and the risk of him spreading it is acceptable.

Business meetings are fine but just don't go and meet you girlfriend....Even outside for a coffee because then you'll be a selfish killer who overwhelms the NHS.

Finally don't ever question important people, like anyone with the title of Scientist, Professor, BBC expert, or Shrimperzone Covid Marshall.

 

[londonblue]

I am 62 and got my letter yesterday to book a first and second jab on line. Which i did.
When you book on line i was given Wednesday 17th March at the Cliffs.
You also have to book your second jab which was Wednesday 2nd June again at the Cliffs.
So all booked within a couple of minutes

Are they laying on a show while you wait?

 

[londonblue]

Over 50’s are not high risk and 2nd is just a top up anyway. At first it was the vulnerable, now we’re past 20million. Our ease of restriction plan is just zero COVID under another name.

Looks like I’m going to just have to agree to disagree with people here. With so many people vaccinated and our data dropping by the day it’s crazy to think you cannot sit inside in a pub or restaurant with safety restrictions in place (such places caused no uptick in cases either) until the middle of may 2 1/2 months away but you can in other countries right now.

Depends on how you define high risk. I would say they (i.e. people like me who are 50, just turned 51) are, at least, higher risk. Or at least the statistics I have seen point that way.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Say that too the owners and staff employed. The hospitality industry is really on the brink. A pub going to the wall an hour it’s estimated. The financial support doesn’t come close and many won’t even open when it’s outside only because they won’t come close to breaking even.

Agreed it's a problem but it's a far worse problem here in Spain or in France.Incidentally the UK and countries like France,Germany etc can afford to subsidize their hospitality workers for a while yet Spain, where tourism represents 12.6% of GDP simply can't (which I why I imagine that many bars and restaurants across the country are still open for a limited period each day when we're fully aware that bars etc are hotspots for transmission of the virus).

 

[Dave Smiths Love Child]

First jab for me today, great service from all involved, my thanks to all

 

[Member]

Over 50’s are not high risk and 2nd is just a top up anyway. At first it was the vulnerable, now we’re past 20million. Our ease of restriction plan is just zero COVID under another name.

Looks like I’m going to just have to agree to disagree with people here. With so many people vaccinated and our data dropping by the day it’s crazy to think you cannot sit inside in a pub or restaurant with safety restrictions in place (such places caused no uptick in cases either) until the middle of may 2 1/2 months away but you can in other countries right now.

You're right, 50-60s who aren't shielding aren't especially high risk but there is still a risk of hospitalisation and death and there is more evidence of long-COVID emerging as particularly nasty and unpleasant, so it's important that we do try to avoid people needlessly getting COVID-19. The second dose is important for the currently available vaccine as it's the only way to maximise effectiveness and also be confident about the effectiveness persisting for a long time.

There is tracking evidence to show that the virus was spread throughout restaurants and pubs. even with safety restrictions.

We're relaxing restrictions at a rate that I think is sensible and I'm as desperate for life to return to normal as anyone else. If vaccine-resistant variants emerge then we could well be back to square one and so it's really important we ensure the numbers fall really low while we ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible, which will avoid novel variants from being able to develop.

 

[RHB]

I've just lifted this set of stats by age. The initial figures are for the NW but you can use the dropdown menu for other areas.

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[Holy Joe]

So why are other countries currently more open than we are with similar data figures and nowhere near as many people vaccinated? You avoided answering that bit. We have a vaccine that is allowing us to open up as one of the slowest countries.

If you could give some exampes that might help. I'll be honest I'm paying less attention to the Covid story over the past couple of months. But headlines I've seen recently suggest Finland, Germay, France, Sweden are all tightening (or likely to) restrictions over the coming days/weeks. So the vaccine is allowing us to open up - the pace will never please everyone, remeber there was quite alot of objection to opening schools fully so soon. And longer term, as I think I've said, the point of the vacine is to reduce the risk of future lockdowns

 

[kaymac]

Isle of Man has recently gone into a 21 day circuit-breaker after a sudden outbreak.