Post-Match Thread and Ratings Charlton Athletic 1-0 Southend United

[Yorkshire Blue]

Must you take every opportunity possible to have a dig at "player A" ?!?! It's becoming tedious and predictable.
There was no one player who took us into the play offs, just as there was no one player who cost us our championship status. Out of interest, it's been well documented about how much Clarke cost us over three years, but it was his goal at Chelsea that earned a lucrative reply on TV and in front of a full house!! Just how much did that header make the club?
The reason for Bailey getting dog's abuse was because of the way he left the club - as I'm sure you well know. Clarke may have let his contract run out and then line his pockets with a move to Huddersfield, but he continued to give 100% effort right up until the final game of the season.
Bailey deserved a move to a bigger club in a higher division because of performances alone and if he had kept his mouth shut until he left us before saying "sorry to be leaving...great times at Southend, etc" then he would have been treated with the respect that Clarke received. Bailey didn't, acted terribly and got a lot of stick...thats football!

EH? Player A was Bailey.

Personally I find the digs at Bailey for his PR far more tedious and predictable than discussing the merits of what players did on the field.

I don't understand why someone who made the club lots of money gets vilified, whilst someone who cost the club lots gets deified.

 

[Skyblue]

Completely agree, Mark Gower made it no secret that he wanted to play at the highest possible level and he conducted himself professionally and with dignity, should he play at the hall again, he'll get a hereos reception from me.

Completely agree too, three players that spring to mind who are legends and rightly given God status here, Stan, Chris Powell and Freddy. All of them played here to the bitter end and Powell in particular gave us a final season when his dream move to Spurs broke down. He must have been gutted at being so close to signing for the side he supported only to see it crumble before his eyes. He could have thrown his toys out the pram and said he couldn't or wouldn't play for us again but he rolled his sleeves up and gave us his best season before moving on, I think again to Chalton. Bailey I seem to remember refused to play for us because he said he was injured. Next day or so he was training with charlton. He's not fit to lick clean Chrissy Powell boots in my opinion.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Completely agree too, three players that spring to mind who are legends and rightly given God status here, Stan, Chris Powell and Freddy. All of them played here to the bitter end and Powell in particular gave us a final season when his dream move to Spurs broke down. He must have been gutted at being so close to signing for the side he supported only to see it crumble before his eyes. He could have thrown his toys out the pram and said he couldn't or wouldn't play for us again but he rolled his sleeves up and gave us his best season before moving on, I think again to Chalton. Bailey I seem to remember refused to play for us because he said he was injured. Next day or so he was training with charlton. He's not fit to lick clean Chrissy Powell boots in my opinion.

And that's exactly why he deserves every bit of abuse he got on Saturday and will get in spades when they come down here.

 

[united we stand]

EH? Player A was Bailey.

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I don't understand why someone who made the club lots of money gets vilified, whilst someone who cost the club lots gets deified.

Equally I can't understand why you fail to understand why he is so hated .

Stop bringing up how good he was on the pitch, that is totally irrelevant to why people hate him.

Using your logic I assume you think Geoff Kings comments on Revell where fine on the basis that Revell was never a star player for us ?

 

[Mick]

My ratings

Barrett 6 - probably the pick of the defence

Morrison 5 - needs to be stronger in the air, he gets out-muscled too easily but I suppose this will come with time, something we haven't got as his loan is nearly up

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Strange. Barrett hardly won a thing in the air and gave away a few free kicks.
Morrison won loads in the air (including two he should have left for the goalkeeper!).

 

[OldBlueLady]

Strange. Barrett hardly won a thing in the air and gave away a few free kicks.
Morrison won loads in the air (including two he should have left for the goalkeeper!).

Agree, that was the best I've seen Morrison play for us.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

I like Morrison. Shame he is going back after Hartlepool, possibly with a 100% record of defeats. Then we will be back to taking Granty out of his best position (centre mid) into centre back.
Malone looks fairly average. The quality of loanees this season has been really poor. Last 2 seasons weve had the likes of Dervite, Harding, Federici, Sawyer, Kanu, Theo, Stanislas. This seasons have all been either very mediocre or utter gash. Jury still out on Mvoto as hardly played.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Another game which we should have got something from. Despite good possession in the second half though, we lacked a cutting edge in our approach play. I'm finding it difficult to remember our last goal from open play - I know I'm losing it, but can anyone remind me when it was ?

On a more positive note, it was good to see Granty back in the middle. Thought he looked polished there. Laurent was exciting, but you always know those runs won't quite get a result. The Ginger Judas saw the danger though and made two great sliding tackles on him in the second half. Morrison looks less rustic than I first thought, but Malone less accomplished too. What bets Granty is RB next time as the daydreamer is suspended and JFC will return from his minding role of Laurent's babe - in the seats with us - to central midfield ? Love the way he and Frank have sat with the fans. Good guys ...

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Equally I can't understand why you fail to understand why he is so hated .

That isn't what I actually said.

Stop bringing up how good he was on the pitch, that is totally irrelevant to why people hate him.

You think it is irrelevant, I believe it should be relevant.

I'd also point out that it isn't just about him being an outstanding player, it is also the fact that he made us money, but I realise facts aren't much use because this is about people being ruled by their hearts not their heads. I'm suggesting people should try using their heads a bit more.

Using your logic I assume you think Geoff Kings comments on Revell where fine on the basis that Revell was never a star player for us ?

I don't hate Geoff King, I think he's probably a buffoon. I also think that whilst he was probably right in what he said, it was unwise to say it.

Frankly I'm more concerned about (a) our finances and (b) our performances than what people say. Talk is cheap (as is kissing the shirt, wearing sweatbands etc etc), people really shouldn't get so hung up about it.

Strange. Barrett hardly won a thing in the air and gave away a few free kicks.
Morrison won loads in the air (including two he should have left for the goalkeeper!).

Morrison won plenty in the air but only in the sense of getting your head on the ball first. The issue for me is where the ball then went. As far as I'm concerned, you may as well not win the header if you are only going to direct the ball to where the attacker wants to play it.

Having got to the ball first, Morrison struggled to get much distance on the clearances. This is where he needs to be stronger, both to get more power in the header and to hold off attackers trying to put him off, so he gets more distance on the headed clearance and either finds a Southend player, or at least turn the midfielder so as to buy time to regroup and for the midfield to close down.

 

[OldBlueLady]

But this is all so relevant as knowing where Tierra del Fuego is isn't it?

 

[bazzashrimper]

Bailey was an excellent player for us for a season and a match. Did he make us money? - probably, but not much. Transfer fees we made £225k profit I think (We sold for £400k + Add ons if charlton went up etc, and we bought for £175k). If Clarke cost (£1m - Initial Fee) / 3 Years = £230k approx per year, I would expect Bailey to have cost not too much less each year.

We probably would have made a healthy profit on him had he not been a complete piece of **** and publically (on Sky Sports news) held us to ransom by declaring himself injured when he wasn't. He showed the club a great deal of disregard and acted in a very unprofessional manner. For me he deserves nothing from Southend supporters.

Yesterday, he was more interested in cheering in front of the southend fans than the charlton - as captain that showed a lack of respect for his current club, and the leopard hasn't changed his spots. I am sure he would do to charlton exactly what he did to us given the opportunity, and then lets see what PP has to say.

 

[Mick]

But this is all so relevant as knowing where Tierra del Fuego is isn't it?

That's where our new striker, Pat Agonia, comes from isn't it ?

 

[Mick]

Morrison won plenty in the air but only in the sense of getting your head on the ball first. The issue for me is where the ball then went. As far as I'm concerned, you may as well not win the header if you are only going to direct the ball to where the attacker wants to play it.

Having got to the ball first, Morrison struggled to get much distance on the clearances. This is where he needs to be stronger, both to get more power in the header and to hold off attackers trying to put him off, so he gets more distance on the headed clearance and either finds a Southend player, or at least turn the midfielder so as to buy time to regroup and for the midfield to close down.

His heading wasn't that bad.

 

[united we stand]

That isn't what I actually said.



but I realise facts aren't much use because this is about people being ruled by their hearts not their heads. I'm suggesting people should try using their heads a bit more.



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You have totally missed the point . I am using my head, and my head says that principles are more important than money.

You might call that using your heart, I don't. I weigh up the arguments and understand what you are saying but I think we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[seany t]

I know there's a lot of Macca bashing on here and normally I would say hold on he is giving his all for us and putting on the shirt week in week out but he did one thing to really **** me off Saturday. Not his inept passing, ridiculously poor finishing or poor vision, but his attitude towards his teammates.

Don't know if anyone else noticed him screaming at Scott Malone at the end of the game but it wound me up something chronic. He's a young lad, he has come in on loan and is trying to help out the team and it seems to me he has the right attitude. Macca's main issue with Scott seemed to be him having a shot at the death and missing the target....... well at least he was willing to have a pop at goal unlike the rest of the squad, we dominated the game but no player seemed willing to pull the trigger and wanted to walk it in the net. Scott has a go and got an ear bashing for it, get over yourself Macca it's not like you were ever going to score!

Rant over, go ahead and tell me why I am wrong.

You're spot on mate. At least he did have a dig.

Even if it was shocking...

Macca was ok for us at breaking down tackles and running around a lot. Particularly second half, though I wonder if everyone's high rating of him was down to that one challenge he did where he ran 40 yards into their corner flag area to nab back the ball.

But he's playing as the link up midfielder between the back and front and as such should be looking to put through a decent ball. However everything he did went sideways. The strikers movement wasn't great, but there was a bit ...

Some games when you're up against it I understand that you drop deep and have to defend, but what we needed all game was a decent through ball, and he didn't provide us with that.

 

[Rob Noxious]

Some games when you're up against it I understand that you drop deep and have to defend, but what we needed all game was a decent through ball, and he didn't provide us with that.

To be honest, I think I don't think that ball is in Macca's armoury much as I admire the guy for his spirit and tenacity. The only players we have who are capable of that are Moose and Dougie. Moose is now looking a bit forlorn and I'm not sure what role Dougie will play for the club now ...

 

[seany t]

To be honest, I think I don't think that ball is in Macca's armoury much as I admire the guy for his spirit and tenacity. The only players we have who are capable of that are Moose and Dougie. Moose is now looking a bit forlorn and I'm not sure what role Dougie will play for the club now ...

Both of these things worry me as I think you're spot on.

It feels like we're marginalising some of our better players to accommodate some of our more average ones.

I don't envy Tilly right now. We're so short.

 

[EastStandBlue]

I've been saying there's no creativity in the midfield since the season started... Laurent aside, nobody in that midfield scares defenders and all the passing is just too predictable. Unfortunately, Moussa seems completely shot of confidence and completely fed up of playing on the left hand side when things in the middle just aren't happening.

I'm all for playing a formation that's familiar, but with our complete lack of class up front Barnard aside it amazes me that we haven't dabbled with a 4-5-1, bringing Moussa into the middle where he's most potent and allowing Laurent and Scannell more freedom.

 

[Pubey]

I didn't think Morrison was bad at all. yes sometimes he didn't get great distance on his headers, but he one the first ball more often than not. The wet pitch didn't help as they were slipping and sliding when trying to latch on to the second ball.

On another note, I thought Sam Sodje was extremely average at the other end.

Laurent is a quality player, but he produced absolutely nothing. With some work, once he can produce a final ball then he'll be an absolutely unbelievable player who can go a long way in the game.

 

[Mick]

I didn't think Morrison was bad at all. yes sometimes he didn't get great distance on his headers, but he one the first ball more often than not. The wet pitch didn't help as they were slipping and sliding when trying to latch on to the second ball.

On another note, I thought Sam Sodje was extremely average at the other end.

Laurent is a quality player, but he produced absolutely nothing. With some work, once he can produce a final ball then he'll be an absolutely unbelievable player who can go a long way in the game.

Looked short of the required fitness level to me; with a half reasonable squad, he wouldn't have played.