C*Nts Corner

[Spaceman Spiff]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Oct. 22 2004,10:36)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Oct. 21 2004,23:00)]Margaret Thatcher,

eh? one of our best PMs in the 20th century, surely? Dragged this country out of the gutter while stimulating a market-based, entrepreneurial economy.

Exactly - unfortunately it is very fashionable amongst the snooty left-wing Guardianista Islington set to slate Mrs Thatcher and cast her as a destroyer of the country... those same people unfortunately have a stranglehold over popular TV comedy and the beeb so kids follow their lead without appreciating the truth.

Still, if you believe in total power to the Union brotherhood and communist union leaders being able to bring down a government (as happened after the first miner's strikes in 1973) then I suppose she was a destroyer.

Funny how people swallow the union sloblock about 'all for one' - are they my ***. As one (non-commy) unionist leader from Arther Scargill's time put it, summing up Scargill's motives:

"He started out with a big union and a small house - he ended up with a small union and a big house. Go figure".

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Oct. 22 2004,11:05)]Exactly - unfortunately it is very fashionable amongst the snooty left-wing Guardianista Islington set to slate Mrs Thatcher and cast her as a destroyer of the country... those same people unfortunately have a stranglehold over popular TV comedy and the beeb so kids follow their lead without appreciating the truth.

Still, if you believe in total power to the Union brotherhood and communist union leaders being able to bring down a government (as happened after the first miner's strikes in 1973) then I suppose she was a destroyer.

Funny how people swallow the union sloblock about 'all for one' - are they my ***. As one (non-commy) unionist leader from Arther Scargill's time put it, summing up Scargill's motives:

"He started out with a big union and a small house - he ended up with a small union and a big house. Go figure".

Oi, Attilla, less of the grossly overgeneralised and inaccurate stereotypes please, matey!!

I defy you to go any of the following places and find (i) someone who has been to Islington; (ii) someone who reads the Guardian; and (iii) someone who thinks that Thatcher is anything but the embodiment of captialist greed who destroyed their communities:

*Scotland
*Tyneside
*Wearside
*Co. Durham
*Humberside
*South Yorkshire
*West Yorkshire
*Industrial (not rural) Lancashire
*Industrial / Mining East Midlands
*Merseyside
*Wales

Need I go on? It isn't a fashion thing to dislike Thatcher, Spiff. It's all about where you were brought up.

If, like us lucky lot

you live in the South of England, then Thatcher was the best thing since sliced bread - of that there can be no doubt.

But I can assure you, pretty much the rest of the United Kingdom totally and utterly detested her.

Don't get me wrong, the Unions' power was utterly excessive, and the likes of Scargill are selfish despots and a carbuncle on the arse of this nation.

However, that does not in itself redeem Thatcher, nor does it diminish the extent to which she is hated and resented in large parts of this country of ours.

Matt

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Sweeping generalisations there too, Matt - you cant accuse me of that and then do precisely the same yourself!

All of those areas you quote do return conservative MPs at every election. So there is support there. We dont really need to debate the politics of the Thatcher era, as I'm sure we could rattle off a number of big successes and gross mistakes (Poll tax, for example)...

However, my main point was that far too many people slate Mrs T without much or indeed any appreciation of the facts. Educated opinions are fine - following a fashion is not.

 

[steveh1510]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Oct. 22 2004,10:43)]Educated opinions are fine - following a fashion is not.

We'll have no educated opinions on this website thank you very much. Stick to the sweeping generalisations and complete nonsense or get out.

Some people.....

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Oct. 22 2004,10:29)]I defy you to go any of the following places and find (i) someone who thinks that Thatcher is anything but the embodiment of captialist greed who destroyed their communities:

*Scotland

Teddy Taylor

ps much of Edinburgh used to be Tory

 

[sismith]

Edu.

 

[Guest]

In many ways Spiff is right. I hate Thatcher purely because it is fashionable among my 'set'. In fact I haven't even thought about why I dislike her because all of my opinions are assimilated passively from 'popular TV comics' like Harry Hill. At least I know that I've been duped by those communists who are in charge of the BBC again. I am now free to 'appreciate the truth' and it is all thanks to you Spiff.

 

[BluePartridge]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ Oct. 22 2004,11:54)]In many ways Spiff is right. I hate Thatcher purely because it is fashionable among my 'set'. In fact I haven't even thought about why I dislike her because all of my opinions are assimilated passively from 'popular TV comics' like Harry Hill. At least I  know that I've been duped by those communists who are in charge of the BBC again. I am now free to 'appreciate the truth' and it is all thanks to you Spiff.

*Strokes Moustache* C'mon matey let's give those Frenchies a damn good thrashing! BAH!

 

[blues_r_best]

I quote:

The landlord says : "Anything goes but, please, no racist, political or potentially libellous posts and no pornography".

Make peace not war.

Lets back to the c**ts.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (blues_r_best @ Oct. 22 2004,11:13)]I quote:

The landlord says : "Anything goes but, please, no racist, political or potentially libellous posts and no pornography".

Good point.

In which case- Harry Harris and Piers Morgan

 

[Leeboy]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Oct. 22 2004,12:49)]- Harry Harris

I had to do a double-take then

 

[overseas shrimper]

How can you have a c**ts corner without politics?

 

[Surrey Shrimper]

John Lesley

Abi Titmus

Both very unsavoury characters

 

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Oct. 22 2004,11:01)]

Quote[/b] (Mad Cyril @ Oct. 22 2004,10:54)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Oct. 22 2004,00:00)]Margaret Thatcher

Out of curiosity, how old where you when she left number 10?

17.

 

FM would have been... 1 or 2 years old...?

Point of order here chaps and chapesses. I wasn't born in Hitler's lifetime but I know enough about him to form my own opinion (which is, incidentally, that he would not have made it into SZFC's team

).

The North/South divide issue is an interesting one and it is right to look at this in a stereotypical context. I doubt whether my own views on the subject would be welcomed (for fear of upsetting my northern layabout scum colleagues

).

FWIW it is hard to explain to the youth of today but in a nutshell life in 1979 was completely different to life today. Thatcher and Thatcherism really DID save this country from going to the wall. It was right for the time just as Blair was probably right for the country when he was elected.

Sadly Blair and his cronies having started off promisingly are now in the process of ruining this country. They have such a stranglehold over the media that your average joe bloggs cannot see the wood for the trees. Unfortunately there is no credible opposition. The Tories high share of the vote in indicative polls amazes me because I'm still unable to work out what they currently stand for and believe in.

I'm just thankful that in Gordon Brown they have at least someone who's economic management of this country has been admirable.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Oct. 22 2004,13:27)]I'm just thankful that in Gordon Brown they have at least someone who's economic management of this country has been admirable.

Really? He had a massive windfall in the 3G licenses and yet there is still a huge pensions black hole...

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Spaceman Spiff @ Oct. 22 2004,11:43)]Sweeping generalisations there too, Matt - you cant accuse me of that and then do precisely the same yourself!

Yes I can. Do as I say, Spiffy, not as I do...

 

[Mad Cyril]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Oct. 22 2004,14:27)]Point of order here chaps and chapesses. I wasn't born in Hitler's lifetime but I know enough about him to form my own opinion

Thatcher was not responsible for any events on the scale of world war two or the holocaust was she?

I would be very suprised if FM's had studied Thatcherism in GCSE history but I am pretty sure he would have received an overview of National Socialism and Hitlers rise to power.

 

[* ORM *]

Quote[/b] (Napster @ Oct. 22 2004,14:39)]

Quote[/b] (* ORM * @ Oct. 22 2004,13:27)]I'm just thankful that in Gordon Brown they have at least someone who's economic management of this country has been admirable.

Really? He had a massive windfall in the 3G licenses and yet there is still a huge pensions black hole...

Maybe I'd agree with you on the first point but on the second point the pensions black hole was not caused by GB.

It was caused by the narrow-sightedness of fund trustees and their investment managers in the face of overwhelming evidence both of demography and economics.

More than enough notice was given that tax credits were too be abolished but most trustees sat on their arses expecting a miracle. More than enough economic evidence existed to suggest that the majority of pension funds were too exposed to equities and most trustees sat on their arses doing nothing before the last market crash. Even now a lot of those with massive defecits are hoping to redress the shortfall in the stock market.

Anyone close to retirement age worried about their hard-worked for pension needs to look to the management of the pension fund and not Gordon Brown. I'd be interested to know whether negligence charges would be appropriate.

 

[footymad13]

I might not have been there when Maggie was elected but at the end of the day, she has left a legacy. some could argue good and some bad. But what she did the people and the communities up north is nothing short of shameful. She bankrupted communities !

Anyways, I don't think c**t, discribes Hitler or any of the true Nazi's.

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Oct. 22 2004,14:28)]She bankrupted communities !

Or do you think that was just market forces in a global economy at force?