Brown about Gavin Ward, that is....

[A Century United]

Phil Brown: Southend United boss wants freedom to criticise referees


Southend United boss Phil Brown believes managers should be able to criticise officials without the threat of punishment.
Brown was frustrated with the performance of referee Gavin Ward in the 2-1 League Cup loss to Walsall.
Managers can be charged with misconduct when criticising officials.
"Disrepute charges? You can't stop a manager from being honest. The referee's had an absolute beast tonight," Brown told BBC Essex.
Brown was particularly angered on Tuesday by Ward's decision not to send off Walsall's Paul Downing for a foul on Lee Barnard towards the end of the first half.
The former Hull City manager felt his striker was denied a clear run on goal.
He said: "We've got to get this right without me being out of order. The referee tells me, through the fourth official, that he didn't have full control of the ball, so it wasn't a goalscoring opportunity.
"He then told the players that he wasn't the last man. As far as I'm concerned, if he has one story to tell, tell the one story.
"It's a tough job. I'm not going to climb down on what I just said. But I'm absolutely adamant that the referee has had a nightmare.
"He can't go home tonight and sleep well because he's denied us the chance of going through to the second round of the League Cup.
"It can put your job at risk - you rely on cup wins. League One and League Two clubs rely on the finances."

 

[buffalowolf]

Absolutely spot on PB , what makes referees untouchables ,if they have a stinker a manager should be allowed to say so,They are paid well to do a job ,if they in capable of doing that job without bias then they shouldnt be doing it.

 

[Lord Football]

Speaking as a referee, he is spot on. One of the things I have real problems with locally is referees who cannot or will not communicate with clubs. So long as the conversation is a conversation and not a shouting match (which does happen), why should not a referee explain a decision, even if it is "I didn't see it".

The problem PB has is that people like SAF, Jose et al habitually criticise referees to mask their own team's inadequacies and some of the comments border on the ridiculous (Jose's sarcastic applause of the appointments system for example) and this makes like very difficult for the FA who have to be consistent.

As it happens, I agree Mr Ward had a particulary poor game; not just the lack of a red card but inconsistent decisions regarding cautions (for both sides) and his general positioning. The fact that after 8 years he remains a regular in Leauge Two tells you all you need to know.

 

[mrsblue]

In fairness,


Refs can never win as one club will slate them whilst the other club will praise them so in reality managers have to grow up and take it on the chin because the result will never change!

Plenty of times a manager rants about conceding and blames it on the ref because he failed to see a foul down the other end,Managers at times utterly amaze me.

 

[RobM]

A manager will always be bias! It's rare that a manager says "we got a penalty but it never was"; it's rare to hear "The referee gave a penalty against us and he was right".

 

[EastStandBlue]

Wind it in, Phil.

 

[RobM]

Their No. 6 should have got a second yellow for kicking the ball away in the last minute - but Gavin bottled it again.

 

[mrsblue]

Phil claims refs can cost managers their jobs!

Phil's last 25 games reads 7 wins 10 draws 8 defeats GF 26 GA 24,Deduct the 3 0 wins over Oxford and Rochdale and his team only managed 20 goals in 23 games.

80% of those games his team have either scored once or nothing and so far this season one goal in each game,The pattern continues to grow.

Maybe the refs were too blame.

 

[Crawliano]

Phil claims refs can cost managers their jobs!

Phil's last 25 games reads 7 wins 10 draws 8 defeats GF 26 GA 24,Deduct the 3 0 wins over Oxford and Rochdale and his team only managed 20 goals in 23 games.

80% of those games his team have either scored once or nothing and so far this season one goal in each game,The pattern continues to grow.

Maybe the refs were too blame.

If you take the 8 defeats out of Phil's last 25 games then it reads 7 wins and 10 draws.

Amazing what you can do if you tinker with facts enough hey?

 

[Depor_Shrimper]

As a referee I would agree with PB's comments however there has to be a limit to protect the integrity of the game otherwise we're going to have plenty of officials who will quit due to the ridiculous levels of criticism for the relatively low reward (particularly at L1/L2 level).

It should also be said that in the modern game referees need more assistance during matches, perhaps the additional officials in both penalty areas are necessary (although no doubt clubs will complain of the costs!). Anyone who thinks this is a particularly bad idea should watch the Collina masterclass from the last season focussing on the champions league and how it was successfully used http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9317262/collina-masterclass - I must say that my views have changed since!

 

[mrsblue]

If you take the 8 defeats out of Phil's last 25 games then it reads 7 wins and 10 draws.

Amazing what you can do if you tinker with facts enough hey?

I raise you 10 goals from 19 games during the mentioned sequence!

 

[mrsblue]

As a referee I would agree with PB's comments however there has to be a limit to protect the integrity of the game otherwise we're going to have plenty of officials who will quit due to the ridiculous levels of criticism for the relatively low reward (particularly at L1/L2 level).

It should also be said that in the modern game referees need more assistance during matches, perhaps the additional officials in both penalty areas are necessary (although no doubt clubs will complain of the costs!). Anyone who thinks this is a particularly bad idea should watch the Collina masterclass from the last season focussing on the champions league and how it was successfully used http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9317262/collina-masterclass - I must say that my views have changed since!

Refs are blamed for virtually every defeat.

Ladies football offers a wonderful insight into refs who ignore penalty appeals when the defender clearly handles the ball in order to protect herself yet without refs there would be no games at any level.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Refs are blamed for virtually every defeat.

Ladies football offers a wonderful insight into refs who ignore penalty appeals when the defender clearly handles the ball in order to protect herself yet without refs there would be no games at any level.

Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttttt

Clearly a mans game then

 

[mrsblue]

Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaattttttttttt

Clearly a mans game then

Some refs alter the laws of the game during ladies matches which annoys most of the players as we see it as being very patronising !

 

[Ricky Otto]

Phil claims refs can cost managers their jobs!

Phil's last 25 games reads 7 wins 10 draws 8 defeats GF 26 GA 24,Deduct the 3 0 wins over Oxford and Rochdale and his team only managed 20 goals in 23 games.

80% of those games his team have either scored once or nothing and so far this season one goal in each game,The pattern continues to grow.

Maybe the refs were too blame.

Hahaha mrsblue manipulating stats to fit her agenda again, why deduct those two games? and why bring it up on a thread about refereeing standards, we know you don't think we score enough.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Some refs alter the laws of the game during ladies matches which annoys most of the players as we see it as being very patronising !

Is that why you don't want to head the ball, just in case it messes up your hairdo :winking:

 

[mrsblue]

Hahaha mrsblue manipulating stats to fit her agenda again, why deduct those two games? and why bring it up on a thread about refereeing standards, we know you don't think we score enough.

With those 3 0 wins it's still only a goal a game which is not very good IMO.
I made the point because Phil claims refs cost managers their jobs!

 

[mrsblue]

Is that why you don't want to head the ball, just in case it messes up your hairdo :winking:

Haha I deserved that you swine:smile:

 

[Ricky Otto]

With those 3 0 wins it's still only a goal a game which is not very good IMO.
I made the point because Phil claims refs cost managers their jobs!

No it's not great so why do you feel the need to omit those 2 games?
It seemed a very tenuous link to me and Phil does eloborate
"It can put your job at risk - you rely on cup wins. League One and League Two clubs rely on the finances."
suggesting to me that he is reffering to one off knock out games, over the course of a league season these decisions will tend to even themselves out.

 

[mrsblue]

No it's not great so why do you feel the need to omit those 2 games?
It seemed a very tenuous link to me and Phil does eloborate
"It can put your job at risk - you rely on cup wins. League One and League Two clubs rely on the finances."
suggesting to me that he is reffering to one off knock out games, over the course of a league season these decisions will tend to even themselves out.

If clubs rely on cup wins why did Phil make several changes on Tuesday?,He sends out a virtual reserve team and moans when they lose.