A little less deep depression, a little more perspective please

[mrsblue]

It's one league in one year, it doesn't prove anything, other than that last season in L1 many teams ended up in a very different place at the end of the season, when compared to 10/11 games in.

None of the teams in the bottom 4 after 10/11 games went down. I think that's interesting.

Bottom line, even after 10/11 games there's no need to hit the panic button.

I never said hit the panic button !

I am grateful we are in league 1 and being honest if we can maintain our status come May,job is a good un.

 

[Blue_Wes]

It's one league in one year, it doesn't prove anything, other than that last season in L1 many teams ended up in a very different place at the end of the season, when compared to 10/11 games in.

None of the teams in the bottom 4 after 10/11 games went down. I think that's interesting.

Bottom line, even after 10/11 games there's no need to hit the panic button.

I think it's been pushed so many times in the last three days that we probably need a new one anyway.

 

[Pubey]

I never said hit the panic button !

I'm not claiming you did.

 

[RobB11]

I will put my hands up and say that I am culpable of coming on the Zone in the aftermath of defeats and saying things that, on reflection, make me look rather foolish. However, that's just in the heat of the moment. Many times last season I called for Brown to go. This season is different and I think the expectations of many has lowered and rightly so, yes ANY defeat hurts and I will still no doubt vent frustration and anger at players / Brown after games on here. Like someone said above, 10 games in is when we will know more about how the season will pan out. I know it's only 2 games in but I think the support on Saturday even at 2-0 down was still very good and long may that continue. Survival will be success this season however you look at it. U T B and here's to picking up our first 1-0 win at Donny tomorrow :thumbsup:

 

[Microbe]

We'll probably go up to Donnie on Wednesday and thrash them 1-2 and the board will be awash with talk of promotion to the championship :smile:

 

[fbm]

We'll probably go up to Donnie on Wednesday and thrash them 1-2 and the board will be awash with talk of promotion to the championship :smile:

We'd probably do quite well against Donnington. Doncaster however...

 

[fbm]

Yes remember it well and our 'goal' was an own goal as well. I also went to the next away game at Port Vale a 6-2 defeat.
The bizarre fact is that after beating us 8-1 Gillingham then won their next home match 10-0 v Chesterfield!!!!

4-1 Tom!

That was teh only season I went to every game home and away and we conceded everything from 0-8 except for 5.

Both wrong. It was Notts County that we lost 6-2 to in the next away game after the Gillingham thrashing.

I didn't go but remember hearing about Eric Gates taking us apart in a 7-0 defeat by Sunderland.

 

[Jam_Man]

I will put my hands up and say that I am culpable of coming on the Zone in the aftermath of defeats and saying things that, on reflection, make me look rather foolish. However, that's just in the heat of the moment. Many times last season I called for Brown to go. This season is different and I think the expectations of many has lowered and rightly so, yes ANY defeat hurts and I will still no doubt vent frustration and anger at players / Brown after games on here. Like someone said above, 10 games in is when we will know more about how the season will pan out. I know it's only 2 games in but I think the support on Saturday even at 2-0 down was still very good and long may that continue. Survival will be success this season however you look at it. U T B and here's to picking up our first 1-0 win at Donny tomorrow :thumbsup:

There is always a wave of doom after any defeat but it would be nice in the spirit of fbm's post that people just kept a sense of perspective.

We are now in a tougher league and we are going to lose games.

Games like Saturday when Brown made mistakes its perfectly normal to slate him for it, if people dont want to hear negativity then they are going to have to learn to accept that. The performance wasnt acceptable so criticism is warranted.

Where it goes too far though is even with a poor game people then want to use that to justify their dislike of Brown to use it as some sort of justification for having a go about last season and completely ignoring the achievements and the good that was done.

So far this season we have had a good result against Fleetwood, a very good performance against Brighton despite the result, and a poor game against Walsall.

I'm not expecting a big points haul in the next couple of weeks so I'm sure that will challenge us all.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

As you know, you can extrapolate very little from past statistics, circumstances, teams and competition are all so different and particular. We could easily be promoted as we could be relegated this season, we'll have a slightly better idea after a dozen or so games.
Yet, there are things that do cause some concern even this early into the season. I wouldn't make much of a prediction about how well or badly we would do this season...........until I saw our final squad. On what I see so far, I reckon we will struggle. Phil's talked the talk but, as yet hasn't got sufficient strength to compete well at this level. Whether that's down to PB, RM or financial factors, I don't know but IMHO the squad isn't large enough and I also have some doubts about its overall quality.
Up front we seem to have invested most of our hopes in Hunt, who appears to be quality on what he has so far shown..
..........but is he going to be anywhere near a 46 game a season player? Following that we have Pigott, who hopefully will come good and Mooney, who we may not be using to his best advantage? Weston has been used as a striker......but to no great effect. So without Hunt our strikers are hardly going to frighten the opposition. Our midfield, the strength of our side some would claim, didn't perform well on Saturday. Deegan has a bit to do in order to prove that he is up to League One and even with Worrall and Timlin starting and accepting that Leonard & Wordsworth were 1) either not used correctly, or 2) had an off day........the depth, particuarly out wide, is not immense. Worrall is fine but Weston is far too inconsistent, at the moment, to be reliable. In Central defence we're certainly not overstocked and personally, as much as we all love him, I'd be surprised if Adam is still first selection when we come towards the end of the season. I'd also say the same thing about White. Since starting this post I've noticed that there is a new thread on how PB would be looking to strengthen the squad before TDD. Many of the posters appear to be identifying the same weaknesses I have mentioned above.
No, it's not yet time to be depressed but it is concerning, the size and quality of the squad we have started the season with. We still have a couple of weeks to remedy that. I also don't think that all the speculation about Bentley is helping the situation and the quicker that is resolved, one way or the other, the better.

 

[Firestorm]

Nope.

2014/15

Are the headings the wrong way round ? Peterbro were 2nd after 10 games and finished 9th whilst Orient were definitely 23rd at the end on the season..

 

[Pubey]

Are the headings the wrong way round ? Peterbro were 2nd after 10 games and finished 9th whilst Orient were definitely 23rd at the end on the season..

Probably. I'm up at a hospital appointment so can't check and threw the graph together while on a teleconference. :blush:

 

[Jam_Man]

As you know, you can extrapolate very little from past statistics, circumstances, teams and competition are all so different and particular. We could easily be promoted as we could be relegated this season, we'll have a slightly better idea after a dozen or so games.
Yet, there are things that do cause some concern even this early into the season. I wouldn't make much of a prediction about how well or badly we would do this season...........until I saw our final squad. On what I see so far, I reckon we will struggle. Phil's talked the talk but, as yet hasn't got sufficient strength to compete well at this level. Whether that's down to PB, RM or financial factors, I don't know but IMHO the squad isn't large enough and I also have some doubts about its overall quality.
Up front we seem to have invested most of our hopes in Hunt, who appears to be quality on what he has so far shown..
..........but is he going to be anywhere near a 46 game a season player? Following that we have Pigott, who hopefully will come good and Mooney, who we may not be using to his best advantage? Weston has been used as a striker......but to no great effect. So without Hunt our strikers are hardly going to frighten the opposition. Our midfield, the strength of our side some would claim, didn't perform well on Saturday. Deegan has a bit to do in order to prove that he is up to League One and even with Worrall and Timlin starting and accepting that Leonard & Wordsworth were 1) either not used correctly, or 2) had an off day........the depth, particuarly out wide, is not immense. Worrall is fine but Weston is far too inconsistent, at the moment, to be reliable. In Central defence we're certainly not overstocked and personally, as much as we all love him, I'd be surprised if Adam is still first selection when we come towards the end of the season. I'd also say the same thing about White. Since starting this post I've noticed that there is a new thread on how PB would be looking to strengthen the squad before TDD. Many of the posters appear to be identifying the same weaknesses I have mentioned above.
No, it's not yet time to be depressed but it is concerning, the size and quality of the squad we have started the season with. We still have a couple of weeks to remedy that. I also don't think that all the speculation about Bentley is helping the situation and the quicker that is resolved, one way or the other, the better.

Yet a week ago people were saying what a strong squad we have that we could make 6 changes and still play a stong team against Brighton and have a strong bench.

Perceptions a funny old thing, especially after a poor game.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Probably. I'm up at a hospital appointment so can't check and threw the graph together while on a teleconference. :blush:

Multi-tasking eh? You are a woman and I claim etcetera .............

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

There is always a wave of doom after any defeat but it would be nice in the spirit of fbm's post that people just kept a sense of perspective.

We are now in a tougher league and we are going to lose games.

Games like Saturday when Brown made mistakes its perfectly normal to slate him for it, if people dont want to hear negativity then they are going to have to learn to accept that. The performance wasnt acceptable so criticism is warranted.

Where it goes too far though is even with a poor game people then want to use that to justify their dislike of Brown to use it as some sort of justification for having a go about last season and completely ignoring the achievements and the good that was done.

So far this season we have had a good result against Fleetwood, a very good performance against Brighton despite the result, and a poor game against Walsall.

I'm not expecting a big points haul in the next couple of weeks so I'm sure that will challenge us all.

You are wide of the mark with the assumption that people don't like Brown, I quite like him and have stated that many times but he appears to have learnt nothing from last season, he's managed at all levels so why on earth he thinks last seasons style of play will cut it in a league above is beyond me, surely he knows better, if the people who keep saying how much better league 1 is than league 2 are correct then teams will carve us open at will and he also clearly has not learn't that publicly slating players generally has a negative effect.

 

[mrsblue]

You are wide of the mark with the assumption that people don't like Brown, I quite like him and have stated that many times but he appears to have learnt nothing from last season, he's managed at all levels so why on earth he thinks last seasons style of play will cut it in a league above is beyond me, surely he knows better, if the people who keep saying how much better league 1 is than league 2 are correct then teams will carve us open at will and he also clearly has not learn't that publicly slating players generally has a negative effect.

Again i agree,

Nobody hates Phil,I doubt anyway?

Phil is a professional football manager being paid what most of us dream about,his job is to give the team nay our team the best possible chance to win a game of football.Was Saturday really a one off,I watched many games last season and the season before with the same outcome only this time we were not playing league 2 dross but instead a quick fluent Walsall outfit who made us look second rate.

Phil and his coaches cannot afford to tinker with set ups IMHO .

 

[wakes123]

Again i agree,

Nobody hates Phil,I doubt anyway?

Phil is a professional football manager being paid what most of us dream about,his job is to give the team nay our team the best possible chance to win a game of football.Was Saturday really a one off,I watched many games last season and the season before with the same outcome only this time we were not playing league 2 dross but instead a quick fluent Walsall outfit who made us look second rate.

Phil and his coaches cannot afford to tinker with set ups IMHO .

And he's come out and admitted that he got it wrong, I doubt he'll do it again - let's just get over it.

 

[wakes123]

Yes remember it well and our 'goal' was an own goal as well. I also went to the next away game at Port Vale a 6-2 defeat.
The bizarre fact is that after beating us 8-1 Gillingham then won their next home match 10-0 v Chesterfield!!!!

Wow that must have made you at least question your support after the Port Vale game, no? Many make the trip for the next away game!? I unfortunately couldn't make this game as I had to wait a few more months to be born.

 

[TTS]

Again i agree,

Nobody hates Phil,I doubt anyway?

Phil is a professional football manager being paid what most of us dream about,his job is to give the team nay our team the best possible chance to win a game of football.Was Saturday really a one off,I watched many games last season and the season before with the same outcome only this time we were not playing league 2 dross but instead a quick fluent Walsall outfit who made us look second rate.

Phil and his coaches cannot afford to tinker with set ups IMHO .

& his remit last season was what ?? .... Was it to get us promoted ?

How did he do in regards to that remit ?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Yet a week ago people were saying what a strong squad we have that we could make 6 changes and still play a stong team against Brighton and have a strong bench.

Perceptions a funny old thing, especially after a poor game.

Don't think I was one of those! :smile:.......I hesitate to make any predictions befor the full squad is known and at least after a dozen games have been played. In truth, apart from a couple of first team players, Brighton fielded a second eleven, yet it was only when they brought on another couple of first team strikers that we cracked. Nevertheless it sounded a very good performance from us on the night. With Hunt fit (how often will that be???), probably Worrall and Timlin starting.........Leonard, Mooney and Wordsworth used more effectively....it sounds a reasonable team, if they all peform to their best. What I'm saying is that, when we get past them, it all starts to look a bit thin. I hope that three or four will come in before TDD........but of course it's not just bringing bodies in that is sufficient at this level, it does need a bit of quality as well.

 

[Jam_Man]

You are wide of the mark with the assumption that people don't like Brown, I quite like him and have stated that many times but he appears to have learnt nothing from last season, he's managed at all levels so why on earth he thinks last seasons style of play will cut it in a league above is beyond me, surely he knows better, if the people who keep saying how much better league 1 is than league 2 are correct then teams will carve us open at will and he also clearly has not learn't that publicly slating players generally has a negative effect.

Yeah you seem to like him.

I wasn't commenting on whether people like him as a person but there are a number of people in here that slate him the second they can.

People who put down his success as luck and refuse to accept that he delivered last season with it being able to say it should have been better do not come across as people who like him as a a manager.

He was called a terrible manager last season and he achieved record points, yet people will then make excuses that was because it was a weak league .

Last season's methods if keeping it tight and being hard to beat seem even more prudent now. Despite claims of us being defensive it was the lack of trying to be on Saturday that allowed us to be carved open .
Why can't a system that got us record points not get us 54 points a league above, it's not the Premier League.

Again the thread is about keeping perspective but making sweeping statrments really isn't doing so.