A FEW THOUGHTS ON CLUB IN CRISIS

[HUMBLEPIE]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,16:18)]Waterworld?

The Clangers[/QUOTE]
so he was type cast even then....

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Smudger @ Aug. 24 2004,16:21)]No this thread is much more boring. I'd say it was like an obscure Belgian arts film of the 1970's minus the subtitles.

I'm glad you made that distinction of Belgian, rather than French arts films... there's a lot that the Nouvelle Vague could tell us about Southend's fluctuating attendances, I'm sure.

After all, Luke "FM13" must sure be named after Jean-Luc Godard...

Matt

P.S. FM... we've had this discussion before. You're wrong. We are destined not to average more than 5,000 gates for the foreseeable future. End of.

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,17:26)]P.S. FM... we've had this discussion before.  You're wrong.  We are destined not to average more than 5,000 gates for the foreseeable future.  End of.

Im right your wrong so ner nicky ner ner !

 

[Napster]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:51)]Thing is a new stadium really is instrumental for us, it should hopefully leave us debt free, with the facities in place should give us more scope for revenue and hopefully put the club in a viable position to be sold.

Erm, no disrespect, like, but you're so niev.

 

[footymad13]

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Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:51)]Thing is a new stadium really is instrumental for us, it should hopefully leave us debt free, with the facities in place should give us more scope for revenue and hopefully put the club in a viable position to be sold.

Erm, no disrespect, like, but you're so niev.

How is that naive ?

 

[Napster]

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Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 24 2004,17:42)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:51)]Thing is a new stadium really is instrumental for us, it should hopefully leave us debt free, with the facities in place should give us more scope for revenue and hopefully put the club in a viable position to be sold.

Erm, no disrespect, like, but you're so niev.

How is that naive ?

I said niev, you tranny.

 

[footymad13]

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Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 24 2004,17:42)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:51)]Thing is a new stadium really is instrumental for us, it should hopefully leave us debt free, with the facities in place should give us more scope for revenue and hopefully put the club in a viable position to be sold.

Erm, no disrespect, like, but you're so niev.

How is that naive ?

I said niev, you tranny.

Thats alrite then.

 

[perth shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:32)]

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Quote[/b] (ShrimpMobile @ Aug. 23 2004,22:09)]I would normally say that "Crisis" is too strong a word, but I'm feeling that it is applicable to us now. The fair-weather fans, who, let's face it, we need will turn up to see:
1/ a winning side
2/ entertainment
They have got neither neither of these in the first two home games. There is something seriously wrong with the team at the moment. Hoofing it forward to Drewe didn't work (and to be fair, hasn't really ever worked), Gray has looked totally ineffectual, the midfield do not know what to do with the ball to be constructive. Maher has some good qualities, but one of his bad ones is his total lack of dangerous passes.
Here's something more worrying - we haven't even played good teams yet. Despite the fact they have played us (and have therefore picked up points against the second-bottom whipping boys), the four teams we have played are only 20th, 17th, 10th and 8th in the table.
Crisis? Possibly. Worrying? Definitely.

ShrimpMobile

Yeah things are worrying,
I've no idea what will happen when we play one of the bigger clubs, call me deluded but i think it's those games that kick seasons, players and management into action and change, because only then can you truly see what needs to be done.

Who ARE the bigger clubs and how do you make the assertion that a club is bigger than SUFC?

If you are saying that Northampton is the ManU of Div4 for instance, how do you come to that conclusion...?

Macclesfield, Rochdale, Rushden & Diamonds, Cambridge are all top 10, but none are any bigger than Southend! and I doubt they have better players either?

Maybe 'stronger' is a more appropriate word,

Surely you admit there are stronger teams in the league.

The post is meant as a positive one to illustrate these teams abilities to show 'weaker' teams were they need to change, though we certainly aren't weak we maybe need a stronger team to move us into action.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,14:46)]Indeed, but most new stadiums have been a big hit with clubs, with a good modern stadium with facilties to increase revenue that gets put into the team thus improving the quality of football and putting more bums on seats.

But they've also tended to coincide with a winning team on the pitch, Luke. The examples of Franchise Skum and Darlington suggests that a new stadium does not automatically guarantee sudden surges in average attendance figures ...

WS

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 25 2004,10:02)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,14:46)]Indeed, but most new stadiums have been a big hit with clubs, with a good modern stadium with facilties to increase revenue that gets put into the team thus improving the quality of football and putting more bums on seats.

But they've also tended to coincide with a winning team on the pitch, Luke. The examples of Franchise Skum and Darlington suggests that a new stadium does not automatically guarantee sudden surges in average attendance figures ...

WS

Can we really use the Francise as a example come on, Thing is Mike, only now are Darlington starting to get back on there feet and is starting to create more revenue streams. Off hand i don't have a list for all the teams with new stadiums in the last 10 years but i think its safe to say most have enjoyed increased revenue at the very least plus better attendences.

 

[Technician]

Quote[/b] (perth shrimper @ Aug. 25 2004,06:34)]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:32)]

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Quote[/b] (ShrimpMobile @ Aug. 23 2004,22:09)]I would normally say that "Crisis" is too strong a word, but I'm feeling that it is applicable to us now. The fair-weather fans, who, let's face it, we need will turn up to see:
1/ a winning side
2/ entertainment
They have got neither neither of these in the first two home games. There is something seriously wrong with the team at the moment. Hoofing it forward to Drewe didn't work (and to be fair, hasn't really ever worked), Gray has looked totally ineffectual, the midfield do not know what to do with the ball to be constructive. Maher has some good qualities, but one of his bad ones is his total lack of dangerous passes.
Here's something more worrying - we haven't even played good teams yet. Despite the fact they have played us (and have therefore picked up points against the second-bottom whipping boys), the four teams we have played are only 20th, 17th, 10th and 8th in the table.
Crisis? Possibly. Worrying? Definitely.

ShrimpMobile

Yeah things are worrying,
I've no idea what will happen when we play one of the bigger clubs, call me deluded but i think it's those games that kick seasons, players and management into action and change, because only then can you truly see what needs to be done.

Who ARE the bigger clubs and how do you make the assertion that a club is bigger than SUFC?

If you are saying that Northampton is the ManU of Div4 for instance, how do you come to that conclusion...?

Macclesfield, Rochdale, Rushden & Diamonds, Cambridge are all top 10, but none are any bigger than Southend! and I doubt they have better players either?

Maybe 'stronger' is a more appropriate word,

Surely you admit there are stronger teams in the league.

The post is meant as a positive one to illustrate these teams abilities to show 'weaker' teams were they need to change, though we certainly aren't weak we maybe need a stronger team to move us into action.

PS : No disrespect mate, but I really do suggest you read some of the other threads on here, because if you are implying that we have one of the weaker teams in league 2 [based on our present position in the table], then I think you are very wrong... did you manage to follow the Carling Cup game last night against West Ham?

Sure, we lost the game 2-0... to a club 2 leagues higher than us, but we virtually played them off of the park on their own ground and even their fans were quiet last night!!! we do have the strength to win games and our only [and I mean ONLY] worry, is that we are not scoring goals... but this is the last ingredient to success [or failure] and we will come good!

I think you will find that over the course of the season, there will only be a couple of clubs that will cause us any real trouble... Northampton, Bristol Rovers, Yeovil and maybe Swansea, Notts County and my favourites Grimsby who we always seem to lose to.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,15:25)]Again, Luke - we're nothing like Plymouth.  That's a club which has a Cup semi-final under its belt, is based in a city with a population of over 250,000 (bigger than Southend & Castle Point put together), and has absolutely no natural rivals until you get to Bristol City (Exeter and Torquay are far, far smaller clubs - even if the latter is punching well above its weight at the moment).

Exactly. And Plymouth has spent more seasons in the top-half of the Football League than the bottom, thereby creating a far greater sense of success than Southend. They've had no less than ten promotion winning seasons - four in the last decade - and five Championship trophies to their name. In fact their relegation to the basement in 1995 was actually the first time Plymouth had delved into the deep of basement football since they joined the Football League in 1920. There is a history down at Home Park which we can only dream to emulate at the moment.

I think a better example would be Darlington ...

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:31)]First though id like to see us pushing for a top half finish at least. I think our best bet would be a in a new stadium and a new owner.

How naive. Wouldn't you agree that a WINNING team on the pitch is the only way to "see us pushing for a top half finish at least". A new owner and stadium does NOT guarantee such ...

WS

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 25 2004,10:13)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:31)]First though id like to see us pushing for a top half finish at least. I think our best bet would be a in a new stadium and a new owner.

How naive. Wouldn't you agree that a WINNING team on the pitch is the only way to "see us pushing for a top half finish at least". A new owner and stadium does NOT guarantee such ...

WS

Of course but how do you get a winning team ?

A new stadium and a good owner who runs the club correctly something we haven't had for a while (well at least without the debt)

Im not confident in this team getting out of this division, im sorry but whils't i agree there are some positive signs i feel there are quite a few better teams at the moment.

I am certainly not saying a new owner and stadium will make put a good team out but it certainly gives us more of a platform if you like.

 

[The Artful Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 25 2004,10:16)]

Quote[/b] (Jávea Shrimper @ Aug. 25 2004,10:13)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 24 2004,15:31)]First though id like to see us pushing for a top half finish at least. I think our best bet would be a in a new stadium and a new owner.

How naive. Wouldn't you agree that a WINNING team on the pitch is the only way to "see us pushing for a top half finish at least". A new owner and stadium does NOT guarantee such ...

WS

Of course but how do you get a winning team ?

A new stadium and a good owner who runs the club correctly something we haven't had for a while (well at least without the debt)

Im not confident in this team getting out of this division, im sorry but whils't i agree there are some positive signs i feel there are quite a few better teams at the moment.

I am certainly not saying a new owner and stadium will make put a good team out but it certainly gives us more of a platform if you like.

If I was about to take over a haberdashery shop that wasn't really selling its products well, would it be wise to suggest I buy a massive new premise out of town?
....in fact.....perhaps it would so I have no argument......


...what is a haberdasher?

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 25 2004,10:05)]Off hand i don't have a list for all the teams with new stadiums in the last 10 years but i think its safe to say most have enjoyed increased revenue at the very least plus better attendences.

So. You really believe that a new shiny stadium out at Fossetts Farm will have them flocking through the turnstiles, even though the football on the pitch is crap. Do you really believe that people will come because of the facilities rather than to watch a winning team? Darlington disproves that theory.

Of the new stadiums in the last ten years, most have seen better attendances because most have had successful teams ON the pitch. Reading. Rushden & Diamonds. Northampton Town. You can discount the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough because they attracted enormous gates at their old ramshackle (but far better) grounds. But think of Darlington. Or Notts County, who just about totally re-built their ground but have seen averaging attendances flouting the 4,000 mark as they collapse through the Football League. (Losing team, you see.)

A new stadium does not guarantee a 10,000 average attendance all of a sudden. Certainly not in south Essex ...

WS

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 25 2004,10:16)]I am certainly not saying a new owner and stadium will make put a good team out but it certainly gives us more of a platform if you like.

Yes. A new owner and two new stands (with your cherished improved facilities) certainly aided Exeter City ...

WS

 

[nnatt76]

For what its worth i quite like Ron Martin.

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 25 2004,10:20)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 25 2004,10:05)]Off hand i don't have a list for all the teams with new stadiums in the last 10 years but i think its safe to say most have enjoyed increased revenue at the very least plus better attendences.

So. You really believe that a new shiny stadium out at Fossetts Farm will have them flocking through the turnstiles, even though the football on the pitch is crap. Do you really believe that people will come because of the facilities rather than to watch a winning team? Darlington disproves that theory.

Of the new stadiums in the last ten years, most have seen better attendances because most have had successful teams ON the pitch. Reading. Rushden & Diamonds. Northampton Town. You can discount the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough because they attracted enormous gates at their old ramshackle (but far better) grounds. But think of Darlington. Or Notts County, who just about totally re-built their ground but have seen averaging attendances flouting the 4,000 mark as they collapse through the Football League. (Losing team, you see.)

A new stadium does not guarantee a 10,000 average attendance all of a sudden. Certainly not in south Essex ...

WS

Tilson has said he lost out on a few of his summer targets because other clubs in this division offered a bit more money than he could afford, now if you have a stadium with good conferencing facilties and such along with a well run club surely the manager will get a bigger budget and that should allow a better team and lead to bigger gates. The new stadium affect should anyway put a bit on the gate, im not saying thousands but what im saying is a new stadium could really put this club in a better position.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Aug. 25 2004,10:27)]Tilson has said he lost out on a few of his summer targets because other clubs in this division offered a bit more money than he could afford, now if you have a stadium with good conferencing facilties and such along with a well run club surely the manager will get a bigger budget and that should allow a better team and lead to bigger gates.

The new stadium affect should anyway put a bit on the gate, im not saying thousands but what im saying is a new stadium could really put this club in a better position.

A winning team "should put a bit on the gate" though, Luke.

And if we don't get a winning team, we'll have a stadium with excellent Conference-ing facilities. Or not, as they case may be ...

A new stadium will not guarantee millions suddenly being available for new players (or even thousands). It may write off our debt (or so Ron Martin has claimed) but where is the money going to come from?

WS