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A FEW THOUGHTS ON CLUB IN CRISIS

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well having been away from ourgreat shores for a period of time(cambodia to be precise!!)I have come back to find a club
in crisis???

for me as a southend supporter, i will be happy with a 90th position finish, as long as we still have a team!!!

I cannot see anyway out of this division for the immediate future and its not down to tilly or the players thathe has bought. Unless we have someone to come into the club who
has the interests of the club at heart, and not their own
things will never change. I dont like to comment on the team
as you all know, but I have below asked some questions.

1.Wayne Gray, why is itthis man can jump 30 feet in the air defending in his own half for a corner!!! but cannot jump
more than about 6" in the opposition area
2.Drewe Broughton maybe a "cult hero" aka Big Roy, but hes not going to get the goals.
3.Looking at our strike force of Gray and Broughton their not going to get 20 goals dare i Suggest they are the worst strike force in div 3
4.Controversial I know but are Edwards and Prior right together or are they too slow!!
5.What has dudfield done to warrant 10 minutes !!
6.Is it true that wayne grayhas a contract that gives him a guarantee that he starts the first 12 fixtures!!!! this cannotbe true.
7.Gower interested or not in performing for the Shrimpers???

8. the crowds at the hall, its clear now that the family day/kids specials doesnt work what can we do to halt the slide 3,900 against cambridge united for a local derby doesnt suggest that we are going to keep the crowds like last year, at the end of the day, whatever the spotty boys say on here
about the booing of players, people will onlycome to watch a winning team, we haveto be aware of canveys success and ok atthe moment 700 people are not a threat but 1,500 is
the prices at the hall have to be reduced or some deal needs tobe put in place otherwisethe crowds of 2,700 will return.

9. the debt??? if its all paper debt then why cant RM and his men wipe off the remaining 6.5m and then it would make a viable propostion to have someone come in tell RM to f..k right off and then we get this club up again.

10. finally the club shop, does anyone else find this a total
joke, how can we have a situation where the club shop is run on a franchise basis to benefit one ofthe directors finances.
the stuff is overpriced and cak
 
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Quote[/b] (Guest @ Aug. 23 2004,16:27)]people will only come to watch a winning team ...
Hallelujah! Just what I've been saying! (And was then blasted for "not being constructive" by some quarters ...)

WS
 
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Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Aug. 23 2004,18:25)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Guest @ Aug. 23 2004,16:27)]people will only come to watch a winning team ...
Hallelujah! Just what I've been saying! (And was then blasted for "not being constructive" by some quarters ...)

WS
Not true Mike. If we're 91st with a few games to go I suspect our attendances will be quite healthy.
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If we can turn in performances like Saturday and find someone with a lethal touch in front of goal that ain't gonna be happening.
 
I would normally say that "Crisis" is too strong a word, but I'm feeling that it is applicable to us now. The fair-weather fans, who, let's face it, we need will turn up to see:
1/ a winning side
2/ entertainment
They have got neither neither of these in the first two home games. There is something seriously wrong with the team at the moment. Hoofing it forward to Drewe didn't work (and to be fair, hasn't really ever worked), Gray has looked totally ineffectual, the midfield do not know what to do with the ball to be constructive. Maher has some good qualities, but one of his bad ones is his total lack of dangerous passes.
Here's something more worrying - we haven't even played good teams yet. Despite the fact they have played us (and have therefore picked up points against the second-bottom whipping boys), the four teams we have played are only 20th, 17th, 10th and 8th in the table.
Crisis? Possibly. Worrying? Definitely.

ShrimpMobile
 
Agree with some of the man who likes trains points.

Drewe is not up to scratch and aint going to get more than 5 if he plays all season and lumping it at his head it a total waste of time as a) he dont win enough and b) he cant direct the headers oh and c) Gray aint got a clue how to run on to them.

Would personally favour a Dudfield / Bramble start when both are fit as they are for my mind the two best strikers.

Cant disagree more with the comments about Gower - Hadsnt had the best start to the season I agree but not sure you can question the commitment of a man that exteneded his deal in the summer.....??

For me jury is still out on Prior and Edwards and I also agree stuff in the club shop is largely crap....

DtS
 
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Quote[/b] (ShrimpMobile @ Aug. 23 2004,22:09)]I would normally say that "Crisis" is too strong a word, but I'm feeling that it is applicable to us now. The fair-weather fans, who, let's face it, we need will turn up to see:
1/ a winning side
2/ entertainment
They have got neither neither of these in the first two home games. There is something seriously wrong with the team at the moment. Hoofing it forward to Drewe didn't work (and to be fair, hasn't really ever worked), Gray has looked totally ineffectual, the midfield do not know what to do with the ball to be constructive. Maher has some good qualities, but one of his bad ones is his total lack of dangerous passes.
Here's something more worrying - we haven't even played good teams yet. Despite the fact they have played us (and have therefore picked up points against the second-bottom whipping boys), the four teams we have played are only 20th, 17th, 10th and 8th in the table.
Crisis? Possibly. Worrying? Definitely.

ShrimpMobile
Yeah things are worrying,
I've no idea what will happen when we play one of the bigger clubs, call me deluded but i think it's those games that kick seasons, players and management into action and change, because only then can you truly see what needs to be done.
 
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Quote[/b] (Shagster69 @ Aug. 23 2004,23:47)]Re: Attendances. Was £15 the barrier for some people?
More likely the realisation is we are at best a mid table side but in danger of becoming relegation fodder, but what can we expect this is our 6th or 7th season in this division and on our 7th manager.
 
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Quote[/b] (perth shrimper @ Aug. 24 2004,03:22)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (ShrimpMobile @ Aug. 23 2004,22:09)]I would normally say that "Crisis" is too strong a word, but I'm feeling that it is applicable to us now. The fair-weather fans, who, let's face it, we need will turn up to see:
1/ a winning side
2/ entertainment
They have got neither neither of these in the first two home games. There is something seriously wrong with the team at the moment. Hoofing it forward to Drewe didn't work (and to be fair, hasn't really ever worked), Gray has looked totally ineffectual, the midfield do not know what to do with the ball to be constructive. Maher has some good qualities, but one of his bad ones is his total lack of dangerous passes.
Here's something more worrying - we haven't even played good teams yet. Despite the fact they have played us (and have therefore picked up points against the second-bottom whipping boys), the four teams we have played are only 20th, 17th, 10th and 8th in the table.
Crisis? Possibly. Worrying? Definitely.

ShrimpMobile
Yeah things are worrying,
I've no idea what will happen when we play one of the bigger clubs, call me deluded but i think it's those games that kick seasons, players and management into action and change, because only then can you truly see what needs to be done.
Who ARE the bigger clubs and how do you make the assertion that a club is bigger than SUFC?

If you are saying that Northampton is the ManU of Div4 for instance, how do you come to that conclusion...?

Macclesfield, Rochdale, Rushden & Diamonds, Cambridge are all top 10, but none are any bigger than Southend! and I doubt they have better players either?

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Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:32)]Macclesfield, Rochdale, Rushden & Diamonds, Cambridge are all top 10, but none are any bigger than Southend! and I doubt they have better players either?

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Three of these clubs have been promoted since we were relegated to this division....yes they have since been relegated but at least they have had a measure of success which suggests their players or management have been better than ours....
 
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Quote[/b] (HUMBLEPIE @ Aug. 24 2004,10:47)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:32)]Macclesfield, Rochdale, Rushden & Diamonds, Cambridge are all top 10, but none are any bigger than Southend! and I doubt they have better players either?

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Three of these clubs have been promoted since we were relegated to this division....yes they have since been relegated but at least they have had a measure of success which suggests their players or management have been better than ours....
I agree... but York City were also a league above us a few years back, but where are they now? It doesn't answer the question "How do you define how a club is bigger than Southend!"
 
Everything is guaged by results, the clubs mentioned may not be bigger than Southend but the difference is RESULTS. It is all very well saying their players aren't any better, but, do you suppose for one minute that if they weren't getting results, and had had the start we have had ie Played 4 Won 0 Drawn 2 Goals For 1 ( A Penalty), that they would keep exactly the same squad, playing in the same positions, and continue to play the same the same system.
Currently we have nothing to offer, continue to hoof the ball long to Drewe hoping for something to happen, have no width, and whilst I appreciate loyalty to players, they are all getting paid to do something they enjoy, and that is something most of us dream of.
I really can't imagine another team in the division not changing things if they aren't working, and yet Tilly has stuck with the same players and system for 4 games when it clearly doesn't work.
We all dream of Southend being in the upper reaches of the division, and whilst most will support the team even if they are nearer the bottom, how will that ever attract bigger support, and what really have most to cheer about.
It wouldn't be so bad, even if they were at the bottom, if the football was something to enjoy, but quite truthfully, the tactics are poor as is the resulting standard of football, and if it continues, then the crowds will tell the story.
 
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Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:55)]"How do you define how a club is bigger than Southend!"
I could say Man U etc....but I will give you an example 10 years ago we were in the 1st Division getting 6000 gates so was Charlton....look where we are and where they are they are now a bigger club than us and the reason for that they have been successful...
 
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Quote[/b] (HUMBLEPIE @ Aug. 24 2004,11:19)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:55)]"How do you define how a club is bigger than Southend!"
I could say Man U etc....but I will give you an example 10 years ago we were in the 1st Division getting 6000 gates so was Charlton....look where we are and where they are they are now a bigger club than us and the reason for that they have been successful...
You can't possibly compare us with Charlton. They have always been a bigger and better club than us. When they were in exile at Upton Park, that was the nadir of their existence; at the same time, we were at the zenith of ours.

Since then, the two clubs have moved far more towards their natural places in the pecking order of life. Charlton were, for a long time, a top flight club... they boast a record gate of something like 72,000 for a league game at the old Valley, for example.

In short, we've never been a comparable club to Charlton.

One club we are very similar to, however, is Gillingham. They are in a very similar geographic and socio-economic location to us. They have never played top-flight football and have spent most of their existence in the bottom two divisions.

They are probably punching above their weight at the moment... but, ultimately, they are surviving, and propsering, in The Championship, with average gates in the 6-7,000 bracket.

Why? Paul Scally, I would say. A decent chairman who has steered that club in the right direction throughout his tenure.

And therein lies our problem. Jobson had a goose who was laying a golden egg during the early 90s. Unfortunately for us, he brought in farmers (i.e. managers) who allowed the goose to starve, and he kept chipping away at the egg until it was all gone... but then kept on spending it anyway.

John Main then came in and continued to pretend there was a golden egg, when in fact the club was bankrupt... thereby plunging the club into further debt and crisis.

Realistically, it will take at least a decade of careful husbandry at the top - principally by Ron Martin - for the club to recover from that disastrous period... and none of us like waiting, I guess...

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Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 24 2004,11:41)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,11:33)]Why?  Paul Scally, I would say.  
hmmm. wife in prison, loads of rumours about him...
Perhaps.  But without his guidance, how else does one explain Gillingham's rise to The Championship, and their continued existence in that league?

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Matt
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,11:33)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (HUMBLEPIE @ Aug. 24 2004,11:19)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:55)]"How do you define how a club is bigger than Southend!"
I could say Man U etc....but I will give you an example 10 years ago we were in the 1st Division getting 6000 gates so was Charlton....look where we are and where they are they are now a bigger club than us and the reason for that they have been successful...
You can't possibly compare us with Charlton.  They have always been a bigger and better club than us.  When they were in exile at Upton Park, that was the nadir of their existence; at the same time, we were at the zenith of ours.

Since then, the two clubs have moved far more towards their natural places in the pecking order of life.  Charlton were, for a long time, a top flight club... they boast a record gate of something like 72,000 for a league game at the old Valley, for example.

In short, we've never been a comparable club to Charlton.

One club we are very similar to, however, is Gillingham.  They are in a very similar geographic and socio-economic location to us.  They have never played top-flight football and have spent most of their existence in the bottom two divisions.

They are probably punching above their weight at the moment... but, ultimately, they are surviving, and propsering, in The Championship, with average gates in the 6-7,000 bracket.

Why?  Paul Scally, I would say.  A decent chairman who has steered that club in the right direction throughout his tenure.

And therein lies our problem.  Jobson had a goose who was laying a golden egg during the early 90s.  Unfortunately for us, he brought in farmers (i.e. managers) who allowed the goose to starve, and he kept chipping away at the egg until it was all gone... but then kept on spending it anyway.

John Main then came in and continued to pretend there was a golden egg, when in fact the club was bankrupt... thereby plunging the club into further debt and crisis.

Realistically, it will take at least a decade of careful husbandry at the top - principally by Ron Martin - for the club to recover from that disastrous period... and none of us like waiting, I guess...

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Well said that man... the only two decent managers we have had since I have supported the club is David Webb and Barry Fry, both of which took us to within touching distance of the top flight!

Tilson & Brush are currently third in my estimations namely because they bleed the blue blood of Southend... but they need to take a close look at where we are now and what they have to do to get things moving in the right direction!

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Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,11:43)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Napster @ Aug. 24 2004,11:41)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,11:33)]Why?  Paul Scally, I would say.  
hmmm. wife in prison, loads of rumours about him...
Perhaps.  But without his guidance, how else does one explain Gillingham's rise to The Championship, and their continued existence in that league?

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Matt
Hessenteller might have a lot to do with it, a very underrated manager.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ Aug. 24 2004,11:33)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (HUMBLEPIE @ Aug. 24 2004,11:19)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Technician @ Aug. 24 2004,10:55)]"How do you define how a club is bigger than Southend!"
I could say Man U etc....but I will give you an example 10 years ago we were in the 1st Division getting 6000 gates so was Charlton....look where we are and where they are they are now a bigger club than us and the reason for that they have been successful...
You can't possibly compare us with Charlton.  They have always been a bigger and better club than us.  When they were in exile at Upton Park, that was the nadir of their existence; at the same time, we were at the zenith of ours.

Since then, the two clubs have moved far more towards their natural places in the pecking order of life.  Charlton were, for a long time, a top flight club... they boast a record gate of something like 72,000 for a league game at the old Valley, for example.

In short, we've never been a comparable club to Charlton.

One club we are very similar to, however, is Gillingham.  They are in a very similar geographic and socio-economic location to us.  They have never played top-flight football and have spent most of their existence in the bottom two divisions.

They are probably punching above their weight at the moment... but, ultimately, they are surviving, and propsering, in The Championship, with average gates in the 6-7,000 bracket.

Why?  Paul Scally, I would say.  A decent chairman who has steered that club in the right direction throughout his tenure.

And therein lies our problem.  Jobson had a goose who was laying a golden egg during the early 90s.  Unfortunately for us, he brought in farmers (i.e. managers) who allowed the goose to starve, and he kept chipping away at the egg until it was all gone... but then kept on spending it anyway.

John Main then came in and continued to pretend there was a golden egg, when in fact the club was bankrupt... thereby plunging the club into further debt and crisis.

Realistically, it will take at least a decade of careful husbandry at the top - principally by Ron Martin - for the club to recover from that disastrous period... and none of us like waiting, I guess...

sad.gif
I was comparing us 10 years ago not 50 years when we were on a par same crowds in the same division....do you think if they were now in Div 4 like us their attendances would be much bigger....they had success we didn't.
 
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