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[Kestrel]

For a 737-700, the absolute minimum is about 3400 feet, and the maximum is well beyond 15,000 feet.

The exact length required depends on the weight of the aircraft at take-off, the exact model of the 737, the altitude of the airport, the air temperature, and other factors.

How long is the runway Ricey??

current runway length (thresh-hold to thresh-hold) is about 4,200 feet . . . . as for 15,000 feet - that's 3,000 feet more than Heathrows longest runway !!!

 

[Kestrel]

I was also wondering why Ricey said that such flights would not be possible when, in the 80's I remember flying to Malta from Southend airport. That was prior to runway extension and when - I would imagine - aircraft technology would have required a longer take-off distance (or at least the same).

i bet you had a nice view of your old house, Mark, if you was sitting on the right side of the plane ;)

Al

 

[North Wales Shrimper]

They've been talking about introducing flights from RAF Valley (Anglesey) to London. It would be excellent if the London end could be Southend. It seems about the right size as well!!!

 

[Ricey]

sorry to be a bit technical, Ricey, but on a short flight, say to Toulouse, then surely a 737-800 will not need be filled to the brim with aviation fuel, meaning less wight and therefore less required take-off distance.

They may well be able to fly to toulouse, not with 180 passengers onboard though as that is the maximum number of seats a Ryanair 737-800 has. And by fully laiden I mean with fuel, bags and passengers and I know it won't need alot of fuel to fly to Toulouse. I work for the airport and know 100% that Ryanair will never fly passenger flights out of the airport so that idea can be nipped in the bud! You will not get a 737-800 with 180 passengers bags and fuel to take off on our short runway.

 

[Ricey]

I was also wondering why Ricey said that such flights would not be possible when, in the 80's I remember flying to Malta from Southend airport. That was prior to runway extension and when - I would imagine - aircraft technology would have required a longer take-off distance (or at least the same).

This all depends on the type of aircraft! We used to have Belfast's full of cargo making trips transatlantic. Some aircraft require less use of the runway, like an empty 757 can use just over a quarter of our runway to lift! What type of aircraft was it?

 

[Kestrel]

This all depends on the type of aircraft! We used to have Belfast's full of cargo making trips transatlantic. Some aircraft require less use of the runway, like an empty 757 can use just over a quarter of our runway to lift! What type of aircraft was it?

If my memory serves me correctly, Air Malta used to operate 737-200's in and out of the airport back in the 80's and 90's

Al

 

[Beaver]

This all depends on the type of aircraft! We used to have Belfast's full of cargo making trips transatlantic. Some aircraft require less use of the runway, like an empty 757 can use just over a quarter of our runway to lift! What type of aircraft was it?

Piper Cherokee :dim:

 

[Ricey]

For a 737-700, the absolute minimum is about 3400 feet, and the maximum is well beyond 15,000 feet.

The exact length required depends on the weight of the aircraft at take-off, the exact model of the 737, the altitude of the airport, the air temperature, and other factors.

How long is the runway Ricey??

737-700

Ryanair 737-800

Slight difference in length their of the aircraft Dave.

 

[Einstein]

I work for the airport and know 100% that Ryanair will never fly passenger flights out of the airport so that idea can be nipped in the bud!

Do you also work for Ryanair? Are you 100% certain they are not planning on extending their fleet? Are you 100% certain they will not buy out anymore airlines? Are you 100% certain this will not give them more access to other type of aircraft? Are you 100% certain they will never merge with easyjet?

I rest my case.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I know mate, although they all secretly drink Tennants anyway.

Are there any other sponsors that sponsor more then one club???

Heathrow Cargo Handling sponsor Cowley Youth U9s and Hayes Gate U8s.

 

[Ricey]

Do you also work for Ryanair? Are you 100% certain they are not planning on extending their fleet? Are you 100% certain they will not buy out anymore airlines? Are you 100% certain this will not give them more access to other type of aircraft? Are you 100% certain they will never merge with easyjet?

I rest my case.

No but I used to work for Swissport and still have alot of friends who work for Ryanair and they have cut their flights down at Stansted so why would they bring some to Southend. What a stupid question why would they extend their fleet in this current climate? They don't operate any other type of aircraft. The only thing Ryanair want to concour is transatlantic flights and they will never ever be able to do that from Southend Airport. Why would Ryanair merge with Easyjet? That would be like UPS and Fed Ex merging it will never happen trust me.

Anymore question you wanna throw at me because I am more than willing to answer them!

 

[Uncle Leo]

I still have alot of friends

You fibber.

 

[The Big Dady]

How long is the runway??

Looks about 3 inches in this pic. ;)

 

[Rayleigh Weir]

That would be like UPS and Fed Ex merging it will never happen trust me.

Even if it meant that they could call the resulting conglomerate Fed-UP?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

They may well be able to fly to toulouse, not with 180 passengers onboard though as that is the maximum number of seats a Ryanair 737-800 has. And by fully laiden I mean with fuel, bags and passengers and I know it won't need alot of fuel to fly to Toulouse. I work for the airport and know 100% that Ryanair will never fly passenger flights out of the airport so that idea can be nipped in the bud! You will not get a 737-800 with 180 passengers bags and fuel to take off on our short runway.

With Ryanair, perhaps it is the problem of not enough space on the runway, to throw out the passengers and luggage from the incoming aircraft, whilst, at the same time, accomodating the passengers and luggage for the outgoing flight!

 

[Ricey]

Plus for a fact we currently only operate at CAT 6 yet we would need CAT 8 to have a 737-800 with passengers on.

CAT 6 + 8 = CAA Categories of fire cover.

 

[Einstein]

No but I used to work for Swissport

No offence, but you were a baggage handler who stalked peoples luggage before putting up pictures of it and telling us where they were going on holiday. I'm pretty sure Corporate affairs would not be known by Junior staff or it would be plastered over the BBC News within five minutes.

Still have alot of friends who work for Ryanair

Again, no offence, but baggage handlers and air stewardess's will not be involve in the Corporate world.

They have cut their flights down at Stansted

It's common by many of the airlines to reduce their flights in the winter as clearly people are not travelling as much. And also to my knowledge it is because Stansted has substantially raised the taxes for the taking off & landing charges to airlines. I'm not 100% on that point, but as BAA used to be my client in the UK it was certainly their intention to do so just after I left. I left in June 06, so I'd guess the hike was anywhere within 2007 while the market was still booming. Profitable airlines could handle the costs when first proposed, however the credit crisis has just squeezed margins for companies like Ryanair. It has forced them (and all companies) to look at ways to stabilise their revenue, and not see their profits dramatically fall. Reducing a couple of empty flights in expensive airports is common sense.

Or in other words, you need a man and a hose to put out a fire, but the bigger the fire, the more men and hoses you'll need.

So why would they bring some to Southend?

See point above about landing charges. Southend is relatively close to Stansted and would be a hell of a lot cheaper. Commercials decisions are all about the money.

What a stupid question why would they extend their fleet in this current climate?

Wouldn't that be a bit like asking why would they buy a loss making airline? Seen the news lately?

They don't operate any other type of aircraft.

After you've read the news, then feel free to share with us whether they will be operating any other type of aircraft.

The only thing Ryanair want to concour is transatlantic flights.

Assume you mean conquer, which would then be correct. That's their main priority. Companies like Ryanair did not become as big as they are by only concentrating on one thing at a time though.

The Royal Bank of Scotland's main priority was getting a foothold in the United States banking market. So, it basically went across to the US and invested billions of pounds buying up many smaller banks in order to try and create an empire. When the crisis needed that money, they had nothing to fall back on. See your next point...

Why would Ryanair merge with Easyjet?

Royal Bank of Scotland would quite possibly cease to exist if the UK Government did not save them. Otherwise it is quite likely they would have been forced to sell off their businesses into fragments of what they once were or merged parts of their businesses (subject to competition laws of course).

My point - Big companies merge. Have merged. And are merging. Because they have to.

Did you foresee the banking crisis? Did you foresee Lehman brothers collapsing? Did you foresee two of the UK's biggest banks merging? Did you foresee Iceland's economy having such a profound effect on hundreds of thousands of people in the UK & The Netherlands?

However, if you did see the banking crisis and all of the above then I suggest you are not really a fireman as you must be a very rich man after playing with all your pocket money on the stock market.

My point is, you are a fireman in an airport which has no fires, which means you then sit on a computer surfing the net all day. Unless undercover you are not a Corporate Director discussing mergers & acquisitions of billions or millions of pounds. Some posters on this board get slated (wiggy for example), however at least she is watching the games to have an opinion. You are saying things like fact when you have absolutely no idea what is getting discussed by the Airports Directors, let alone Ryanairs !!

 

[WickfordShrimper]

Did Anyone read this in the Sun Today.... maybe one day he may buy the our Club ....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/search/sitesearch.do?pubName=sol&query=gary+cooper&view=internal&x=39&y=8

 

[Rayleigh Weir]

What a stupid question why would they extend their fleet in this current climate? They don't operate any other type of aircraft.

Anymore question you wanna throw at me because I am more than willing to answer them!

Didn't Ryanair try to buy out Aer Lingus again this week? The bid was rejected (I think), and still wouldn't give them any aircraft likely to be compatible with Southend's runway (predominantly Airbus A320 and the like), but I guess it does show that they're still willing to invest large sums of money to corner new routes etc...

 

[Ricey]

You really have no idea Einstein.

Put it this way I will put a wager on with you that Ryanair will never ever have passenger flights fly out of Southend Airport. My director has stated that he wouldn't be interested what so ever in having Ryanair fly out even if they changed their aircraft.

Oh and sorry I am not a big wig who sits in an office and thinks I rule the world. Just because I am an aviation fire fighter who has no fires (apparently) to deal with I know nothing. I just sit on the internet all day, yep thats right. You seriously do not have a clue.

My Dad is extremeley high up in Aviation and I get alot of my information from him, I also know people high up in Ryanair, BAA, ASIG, Swissport and lots of other companies. I may have been a baggage handler for Swissport but the friends I made while in that business know alot more than you!

I am fed up of all this crap about just because I am an fire fighter who doesn't have any fires to deal with I know **** all. I am an aviation fan and know alot more than you think, I have to have a slight knowledge for my job and being a fan I do it for love too. I would like you to see you try and do my job and watch you struggle doing the training situations I have to be put in. Would you know what to do if a RJ100 with 90 passengers on board have its undercarriage collapse and go skidding off the runway and burst into flames. I guess not!