Breaking News Retained/Released list - Wood and Waldron released

[OldBlueLady]

I think the forward most likely to benefit from a full pre-season would actually be Walker rather than Bonne.

Walker endured a stop-start injury hit season in which he never really got going. He picked up a hamstring injury after two games.

By the time he returned the strike partner he’d been signed to specifically start alongside - and had played all but 58 minutes of preseason/ the start of the season with - had been sold. For the rest of the season we then regularly change strike partners or shapes and he never really gets going, Braintree try and chop him in half etc.

I actually thought he finished with one of his better performances at Wembley where he looked a threat and carved out that chance all by himself.

He’s someone who may benefit from drawing a line under this season and coming back fresh in the summer. I think he has the raw ability but he always looked short on confidence. If he can grab an early goal next season we may see a different player out there. Now I wouldn’t exactly be relying on it but there is that chance he catches fire and we don’t look back in a way I don’t think we do for any of our other forwards (except maybe Kendall).

Great post, I completely forgot that he'd been signed to play alongside Cardwell. I thought he'd played well in several of the later games this season, to be fair.

 

[fbm]

In a normal season, we wouldn't have had enough points to make the playoffs. We only got 'so close' because Gateshead completely shat the bed. Don't let a glorious playoff run distract you from a below par season.

Hey, not distracted at all and I agree that the season - overall - was below par. But we finished much better than we started and the point was that it doesn't warrant wholesale changes.

And I know you say you are fed up with people finding excuses, but personally I see them as reasons. It's simply not possible to play at 100% all the time... not even Liverpool do that and we are in Division 5.

Next year will be much more consistent, of that I am sure.

 

[londonblue]

In a normal season, we wouldn't have had enough points to make the playoffs. We only got 'so close' because Gateshead completely shat the bed. Don't let a glorious playoff run distract you from a below par season.

Do you accept, however, that the 2nd half of the season was more successful than the 1st? The extrapolation being we're moving in the right direction.

 

[londonblue]

Do you honestly think there’s that much of a golf between NL & L2? Because I don’t.

Depends if you're using a sand wedge or a driver.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Depends if you're using a sand wedge or a driver.

Don't think we're talking about golf actually.

FWIW I woul agree with Tribal Chief that we need to restore our EFL status ASAP (preferably next season)whatever the difference in standard (or not) between the NL +L2

 

[Southend Elvis]

I honestly don't know what the problem was with Wood but do know Waldron wasn't particularly good at putting effort in with training and application, sometimes late, always leaving on the dot and generally not showing as much commitment as we'd like.

I get it that the face doesn't fit sometimes, but i just want players given a fair crack of the whip. What if Waldrons attitude sunk, because the lack of chances he had been given. GW could go the same way, always been overlooked, and not getting on at Wembley, players are like you and me, we react to the way we are treated. Didn't a top manager say, you have to put an arm around a player when things not going to plan, not just push him to one side and ignore.

 

[Supershrimper]

I get it that the face doesn't fit sometimes, but i just want players given a fair crack of the whip. What if Waldrons attitude sunk was it because the lack of chances he had been given. GW could go the same way, always been overlooked, and not getting on at Wembley, players are like you and me, we react to the way we are treated. Didn't a top manager say, you have to put an arm around a player when things not going to plan, not just push him to one side and ignore.

George knows that he has Gus in front of him. He also knows that he won't be there forever and he has age on his side 22 vs 28. You have to remember he has stepped up from Billericay 2 leagues below the National League.

He is looking forward to the new season and will again be putting the effort in on the training pitch to improve himself as a player.

All he can do is ensure when he is called upon to play he puts in a decent performance (Hartlepool away)

 

[Southend Elvis]

George knows that he has Gus in front of him. He also knows that he won't be there forever and he has age on his side 22 vs 28. You have to remember he has stepped up from Billericay 2 leagues below the National League.

He is looking forward to the new season and will again be putting the effort in on the training pitch to improve himself as a player.

All he can do is ensure when he is called upon to play he puts in a decent performance (Hartlepool away)

Im not sure you can say that with such confidence.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I get it that the face doesn't fit sometimes, but i just want players given a fair crack of the whip. What if Waldrons attitude sunk, because the lack of chances he had been given. GW could go the same way, always been overlooked, and not getting on at Wembley, players are like you and me, we react to the way we are treated. Didn't a top manager say, you have to put an arm around a player when things not going to plan, not just push him to one side and ignore.

We went through this several months ago and established that Waldron and Wood had had as much playing time under Maher (if not more) to impress as the players you’d already written off as not good enough.

Since then Wood and Waldron have been out on loan and done what exactly to prove Maher wrong?

 

[Danshrimper]

I get it that the face doesn't fit sometimes, but i just want players given a fair crack of the whip. What if Waldrons attitude sunk was it because the lack of chances he had been given. GW could go the same way, always been overlooked, and not getting on at Wembley, players are like you and me, we react to the way we are treated. Didn't a top manager say, you have to put an arm around a player when things not going to plan, not just push him to one side and ignore.

26 appearances in just over a year (he was injured for a few months as well), is plenty of chances. If a player’s attitude drops because of that, he doesn’t really deserve any further opportunities.

I can’t believe this argument about Waldron not being given a chance is still getting dragged up, he couldn’t even get a game for Tamworth. He will go back to the league below, which is probably his level. I can’t say in many, if any, of his 26 appearances for us he looked National League quality.

 

[SuperRonnieP]

George knows that he has Gus in front of him. He also knows that he won't be there forever and he has age on his side 22 vs 28. You have to remember he has stepped up from Billericay 2 leagues below the National League.

He is looking forward to the new season and will again be putting the effort in on the training pitch to improve himself as a player.

All he can do is ensure when he is called upon to play he puts in a decent performance (Hartlepool away)

Unfortunately for George he's understudy to a guy who rarely gets injured, so barring Gus losing form or the inevitable suspension George won't be getting regular game time. Ideally he'd get some time on loan at NLS level, but we need a proper sized squad to enable that.

 

[Southend Elvis]

26 appearances in just over a year (he was injured for a few months as well), is plenty of chances. If a player’s attitude drops because of that, he doesn’t really deserve any further opportunities.

I can’t believe this argument about Waldron not being given a chance is still getting dragged up, he couldn’t even get a game for Tamworth. He will go back to the league below, which is probably his level. I can’t say in many, if any, of his 26 appearances for us he looked National League quality.

This is still going on because of my concern for man management, GW seems to be going the same way. I get it, if you think every decision is correct, I'm not of that opinion. Again, this is about opinions, not only positive ones.
I was quite surprised when Cav got a start in the final, and that didn't work our as planned.
If everyone sees the football the same, it would be really boring.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

This is still going on because of my concern for man management, GW seems to be going the same way. I get it, if you think every decision is correct, I'm not of that opinion. Again, this is about opinions, not only positive ones.
I was quite surprised when Cav got a start in the final, and that didn't work our as planned.
If everyone sees the football the same, it would be really boring.

Going the same way as what? As Waldron?

Just to clear up with Waldron, as I’ve said before. He wasn’t a bad egg. He is a good lad, but just didn’t put in the extras, like Bim did. As I said before, Bim knew he had weaknesses, and used the management team and the likes of Bonne to improve those outside of training. Like staying behind to work on his touch, and finishing etc. whereas Waldon was more of a, training is done and so am I. Shame, but not everyone is the same.

Wind has no problem whatsoever with his squad role. If you are comparing the two, you are wrong. He accepts that GSM has had the season of his life, rarely injured or surprised, hence Wind’s lack of minutes doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone, especially him. Same as a sub goalkeeper in that sense.

You seem to want to be making a problem where there isn’t one in this instance.

 

[Danshrimper]

This is still going on because of my concern for man management, GW seems to be going the same way. I get it, if you think every decision is correct, I'm not of that opinion. Again, this is about opinions, not only positive ones.
I was quite surprised when Cav got a start in the final, and that didn't work our as planned.
If everyone sees the football the same, it would be really boring.

But why is your opinion that 26 games in a year wasn’t enough chances for Danny Waldron?

How many more chances do you think he should have been given?

Part-time Tamworth didn’t rate him enough to give him a single start whilst on loan there. Is their manager wrong as well?

 

[It'sGrimUpNorth]

Depends if you're using a sand wedge or a driver.

I’m always up for a sandwich my friend.

 

[It'sGrimUpNorth]

Don't think we're talking about golf actually.

FWIW I woul agree with Tribal Chief that we need to restore our EFL status ASAP (preferably next season)whatever the difference in standard (or not) between the NL +L2

I think that’s pretty obvious. I’m not saying otherwise. I’m just saying that I don’t think the quality is that much if a difference.

 

[Blues4LifeDan]

This is still going on because of my concern for man management, GW seems to be going the same way. I get it, if you think every decision is correct, I'm not of that opinion. Again, this is about opinions, not only positive ones.
I was quite surprised when Cav got a start in the final, and that didn't work our as planned.
If everyone sees the football the same, it would be really boring.

So Wind should have played ahead of a player who absolutely smashed the awards this year after receiving 5 of them and got into the NL team of the season?

Wind came from Billericay and is still leaning his trade. You don't just start a player for the sake of it if the player they are replacing has been brilliant. It would be absolutely ridiculous to do so.

 

[Southend Elvis]

But why is your opinion that 26 games in a year wasn’t enough chances for Danny Waldron?

How many more chances do you think he should have been given?

Part-time Tamworth didn’t rate him enough to give him a single start whilst on loan there. Is their manager wrong as well?

What is this thread called? That's why im talking about it. Everyone seems to think they know what's going through a players mind......didn't know there were so many mind readers on here

 

[Holy Joe]

What is this thread called? That's why im talking about it. Everyone seems to think they know what's going through a players mind......didn't know there were so many mind readers on here

Didn't you start that by being concerned with Maher's man management?

I'm assuming you're not in the playing squad - so how would anyone know what Maher are co and telling players on the training ground?

 

[BEERMONSTER]

Didn't you start that by being concerned with Maher's man management?

I'm assuming you're not in the playing squad - so how would anyone know what Maher and co and telling players on the training ground?

One thing I was told sometime back by an individual with strong connections to both the Club and KM is that the management team have continuous one on one time with all the players about their individual game strengths and areas for improvement or development. Very much a two way thing with the players encouraged to express their views. Kev also believes it provides the players with an opportunity to discuss any issues outside of the playing side of things, a bit of a legacy of the bad old pre COSU days.
I dont believe Kev's player management gives any cause for concern.