Strikes take 2

Rusty Shackleford · Nov 30, 2011

I'm waiting to hear osy's take on how Neil F's identification of Anthony Hutton is purely subjective, hypothetical, and hence deeply flawed. Or maybe floored.

DTS · Nov 30, 2011

pickledseal said:
£65k isn't a bad wage especially given the available expenses. How many of you have all your travel paid for by your employers? How many of run a 'second home' in order to do your job out of your own pocket?

How many people here actually get a pension funded in part by the rest of the nation?

Pubey · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
From Wiki.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Brother_2005_housemates_(UK)#Anthony

In September 2010, Anthony re-entered the house for Ultimate Big Brother as part of the retrospective task. He had a date with ex housemate Makosi Musambasi.

In November 2011 he published his report on pensions reform in the public sector. A report which sparked mass debate on Southend United supporters website "Shrimperzone". Hutton and his head of affairs "Eugene" came up with a wide ranging report which is expected to be implemented soon. One of the first people to read the report said it was a "raelly god raed"

Superb!

SZ at its best!

osymandus · Nov 30, 2011

Oh please . I got a name wrong oh dear
Hutton makes no mention of your idea as its a strawman and has no relevance . You yourself just quote private v public . No criteria comparing what ? And they may well do. Sadly what you quote is not as specific as Huttons detailed report. All the data means squat if its not used correctly much like your posts.

osymandus · Nov 30, 2011

Rusty Shackleford said:
I'm waiting to hear osy's take on how Neil F's identification of Anthony Hutton is purely subjective, hypothetical, and hence deeply flawed. Or maybe floored.

poor rusty need his crowd to make him feel big man didums

Neil_F · Nov 30, 2011

osymandus said:
Hutton makes no mention of your idea as its a strawman and has no relevance .

You've completely changed your position. First you said that Hutton used the actual data, whereas the studies I cited didn't. Now you are saying he didn't even reference it because it is irrelevant. Which one is it?

As to the relevance, pension provision is part of the total compensation package for employment. The largest element in that package is salary, so how can it be irrelevant when determining whether public sector pensions are fair?

You yourself just quote private v public . No criteria comparing what ? And they may well do. Sadly what you quote is not as specific as Huttons detailed report. All the data means squat if its not used correctly much like your posts.

I quoted two studies and provided a link to the ONS one. If you read it you'll find the methodology, including the fact they adjusted for age and education, as well as the raw data. Hutton's report doesn't comment on this issue (even though you originally said it does) so I used alternative sources. You then complained I wasn't being specific so I set out in detail how an unfunded public sector pension works and listed which professions it applies to (even though you claim the opposite for two sectors). Even then you still won't engage.

I'll ask again: given the advantages of public sector pensions over private provisions (which you haven't disputed) and the public sector pay gap over the private sector (which you've not provided any evidence to dispute), how is the current arrangement fair?

Firestorm · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
How many people here actually get a pension funded in part by the rest of the nation?

Anyone, whose pension portfolio contains shares in Railtrack, the Rail companies, Lloyds TSB , RBS, British gas (or any other privatised former state company)

steveo · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
How many people here actually get a pension funded in part by the rest of the nation?

Not me. I have to rough it with the Private sector plebs.

Hotman · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
How many people here actually get a pension funded in part by the rest of the nation?

Anyone who is entitled to state pension?

DTS · Nov 30, 2011

Firestorm said:
Anyone, whose pension portfolio contains shares in Railtrack, the Rail companies, Lloyds TSB , RBS, British gas (or any other privatised former state company)

Sorry should have said contributions are funded.....too busy laughing.....

DTS · Nov 30, 2011

C said:
Anyone who is entitled to state pension?

See above smart arse...get back to you death bed...:gun:

osymandus · Nov 30, 2011

Except Neil the privat public is not and never has been my point it yours . Yes i did its still a generalised concept as my points if you bothrted to reply and simply to wanting a point answered just because its yours is the each pension is individual .Its an invalid point as it makes no difference to the reason for striking only you think it has . The original report on the teachets pension is here . http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1011/public_service_pensions.aspx . I dont consideted your point specific just because your referencing data that is specific to your original generalised point. it dosnt make it valid.

My point on Hutton not using your idea is in your posts , it is about the direct investigation into teh value of salaries and pensions , again ill state the comparison between private and public is your point always has been I don't give a toss about it . And it appears the Hutton report dosnt eitehr why do you even bring it up ??

In fact looking back at your post on 47 which was your original reference point their your own questions based on a generalisation notion of what is and what is not a state pension . You just keep adding data to your idea of what a public pension is with out ever making a direct reference to a public sector job .

Your data looks lovely but your creating your own questions and then berating people for not ackowleding your own answers ???

Firestorm · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
Sorry should have said contributions are funded.....too busy laughing.....

No need to apologise.

Brian Belos report "De-nationalised industries 20 years on , (how the nations wealth and Chantelles jugs have been affected)" does draw a similar conclusion

Rusty Shackleford · Nov 30, 2011

osymandus said:
poor rusty need his crowd to make him feel big man didums

Don't feel sorry for me son, you're the one who's made himself look like a prize ****.

steveo · Nov 30, 2011

Rusty Shackleford said:
Don't feel sorry for me son, you're the one who's made himself look like a prize ****.

again........

Firestorm · Nov 30, 2011

Dave the Shrimper said:
Sorry should have said contributions are funded.....too busy laughing.....

Anyone who works for a company which does any business for a state company, local council or government....

pickledseal · Nov 30, 2011

Sounds like it may be kicking off on Panton Street and Haymarket.

<sigh>

Neil_F · Nov 30, 2011

osymandus said:
again ill state the comparison between private and public is your point always has been I don't give a toss about it .

This is your standard technique. Unless a discussion follows your exact terms of reference then you aren't interested and will dismiss any alternative viewpoint.

I think I'll leave you to it. I'm going to follow the coverage of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission chaired by the cast of TOWIE.

Rusty Shackleford · Nov 30, 2011

Firestorm said:
No need to apologise.

Brian Belos report "De-nationalised industries 20 years on , (how the nations wealth and Chantelles jugs have been affected)" does draw a similar conclusion

I believe this was a companion piece to Chanelle Hayes' analysis of the erosion of union power from Thatcher to Blair, where she included the sub-thesis of 'I must be a right ****ing **** to have gone out with Jack Tweed'.