Wtf is London coming to ?

[southend_shrimp]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1279789,00.html

A toddler has been stabbed to death and her mother is in a serious condition in hospital following an incident at a flat in east London

 

[Mr. Benedict]

It's not just London, it's society in general these days... :p
That's shocking though. How heartless can someone be?

 

[J]

Black gang culture.

 

[J]

Oh to justiy my statement, it's not racist, but people are taking on this black gang culture, white people as well, that is a fact unfortunately, this isn't probably the case, but in answer to the question, that is the problem with london, that is my answer.

 

[Pubey]

Black gang culture.

a sweeping generalisation that does little except to further marginalise black youths. i haven't read any evidence that this shocking attack was anything to do with black gangs

 

[Mr. Benedict]

a sweeping generalisation that does little except to further marginalise black youths. i haven't read any evidence that this shocking attack was anything to do with black gangs

You've misread the question posed and failed to take into account J's expanded answer there....
Read the thread properly in future! :thump:

 

[osymandus]

It certainly (sadly) is sympton (more an expression of our times), however not with out presedent . A look at the life of eastend people in late victorian times and even post WW1 and WW2 (to a limited degree) shows this took place.

 

[Pubey]

You've misread the question posed and failed to take into account J's expanded answer there....
Read the thread properly in future! :thump:

J hadn't responded whilst i was writing my post, but I take it back now but it seemed that his answer was directed to the stabbing, not the state of society.

I still disagree with his answer, I believe race has little to do with the 'state' of london or society in general, and instead argue that most of the social problems we face are to do with the wide, and expanding income inequality in the UK. Many non-white races are also caught in the low-income trap but I would blame the social welfare system, not a whole racial group on why we still have a high level of crime

 

[J]

J hadn't responded whilst i was writing my post, but I take it back now.

I still disagree, I believe race has little to do with the 'state' of london or society in general, and instead argue that most of the social problems we face are to do with the wide, and expanding income inequality in the UK. Many non-white races are also caught in the low-income trap but I would blame the social welfare system, not a whole racial group on why we still have a high level of crime

I didn't say it was race, i said it was culture.

 

[Pubey]

I didn't say it was race, i said it was culture.

well why not 'gang culture' then? you made a direct reference to the black community when you said

black gang culture

I would disagree always that gang culture is the problem.. it is a symptom of a deeper issue that isn't just specific to London or the UK but pretty much all countries

 

[J]

well why not 'gang culture' then? you made a direct reference to the black community when you said

I would disagree always that gang culture is the problem.. it is a symptom of a deeper issue that isn't just specific to London or the UK but pretty much all countries

Black isn't a race though is it? Africans are a race, europeans are a race?

 

[Napster]

The only race is the human race

 

[Pubey]

Black isn't a race though is it? Africans are a race, europeans are a race?

point taken... do you believe the issue is more to do with the black community or the general 'youth gang' culture in the UK?

what would you do to sort it out?

 

[J]

point taken... do you believe the issue is more to do with the black community or the general 'youth gang' culture in the UK?

what would you do to sort it out?

Black youth culture is my answer to that, it's a mix. We have chavvy white gangster wannabes who take meat cleavers to people's heads, and kick someones head in outside pubs on a regular basis, and we have black youth gangsters, who are *don't touch me, or i'll pop you bruv* types.

What would i do to sort it? Mandatory national service, and lock people away in prisons that are working labour type camps, without the deaths. Make them
work without pay.

 

[Deadly Monkfish]

Black youth culture is my answer to that, it's a mix. We have chavvy white gangster wannabes who take meat cleavers to people's heads, and kick someones head in outside pubs on a regular basis, and we have black youth gangsters, who are *don't touch me, or i'll pop you bruv* types.

What would i do to sort it? Mandatory national service, and lock people away in prisons that are working labour type camps, without the deaths. Make them
work without pay.

Mandatory national service? can I just ask how old you are?

 

[osymandus]

Mandatory national service? can I just ask how old you are?

A national service need not be millitary alone. Oddly it works quite well in Norway , Sweden and Switzerland . So its propably cultral differneces and mentality there rather then method .

 

[Napster]

A national service need not be millitary alone. Oddly it works quite well in Norway , Sweden and Switzerland . So its propably cultral differneces and mentality there rather then method .

doesnt work too well in Israel. But then they've got a few more battles than the neutral Norway/Sweden/Switzerland

 

[osymandus]

doesnt work too well in Israel. But then they've got a few more battles than the neutral Norway/Sweden/Switzerland

Norway and Sweden arnt neutral ?? No i agree , but as i said its the mentality not the method . They are at war (Israel)

 

[Rayleigh Weir]

What would i do to sort it? Mandatory national service.

Teach them to shoot straight?

 

[Firestorm]

Oh to justiy my statement, it's not racist, but people are taking on this black gang culture, white people as well, that is a fact unfortunately, this isn't probably the case, but in answer to the question, that is the problem with london, that is my answer.

I would guess that this is domestic (Met Police Child abuse squad are in)

Considering Mrs FS's conversation of Saturday and the Job thread I would imagine she will end up with the full SP.....

Not that she will be able to say anything (Naps alert) until any court case mind you