Worst Solo!

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 14 2005,01:13)]Eurgh.  The only decent things about Guns N Roses are (a) Slash, a more than competent guitarist; and (b) the fact that they are no longer together.

They were at the tail end of mulleted 80s rock which, frankly, the likes of Def Leppard and Scorpions did better.

If you want some uplifting hard rock to get you in the zone, try AC/DC's Back in Black - a true rock classic.  Alternatively, if you want angst, go for Axl's contemporaries, Nirvana.

Axl tried to glean from both styles, and ended up achieving neither.  Dreadful stuff, I assure you.

As a fan of Gordon's I'm afraid your opinion is invalid!

 

[perth shrimper]

Most guitar solo's are absolute toss with the main aim being to show off how limited the players emotional content is through fast fret work.

Take any fast guitar player ( yes i mean any ) and he wont be able to play with any emotional content whatsoever.

You can't include Clapton, Page or Hendrix because they're not very fast.

 

[RobM.]

...er...Gary Moore?

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ June 14 2005,02:28)]As a fan of Gordon's I'm afraid your opinion is invalid!

Erm, not nice one, Cyril...

When analysing the true awfulness of Guns'n'Roses, the fact that someone may like or dislike Mr. Sumner is immaterial.

Guns'n'Roses' rubbishness is something which is self-evident, and is plain for all of us to see...

 

[A loyal supporter]

Gotta agree with MtS. AC/DC absolutely destroy GnR.

'Back in black' and 'shook me all night long' are worth a million compared to the dross of Appetite for destruction.

A truly great band!

 

[The Artful Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (A loyal supporter @ June 14 2005,13:00)]Gotta agree with MtS. AC/DC absolutely destroy GnR.

'Back in black' and 'shook me all night long' are worth a million compared to the dross of Appetite for destruction.

A truly great band!

Alas, I am from the Bon Scott is/was God club and anything since his death is immaterial....


.......Ok Back in Black is a superb album.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (A loyal supporter @ June 14 2005,13:00)]Gotta agree with MtS. AC/DC absolutely destroy GnR.

'Back in black' and 'shook me all night long' are worth a million compared to the dross of Appetite for destruction.

A truly great band!

Back in Black has one of the catchiest riffs I've ever heard. Fantastic track.

I'm not the greatest fan of G 'n' R but I wouldn't call appetite dross, there are a few good songs on it....

 

[MrB]

Problem for MtS is that whilst Appetite came out in a period when most of us were at school, he'd already been in full time employment for several years and had trouble accepting anything released after 1985.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (MrB @ June 14 2005,16:59)]Problem for MtS is that whilst Appetite came out in a period when most of us were at school, he'd already been in full time employment for several years and had trouble accepting anything released after 1985.

Yeah, I mean I'm - what - a full 18 months older than you...

 

If I'm an old fart, then you're on your way there...

Matt

P.S. My objection to Axl Rose and Guns'n'Roses is that (i) they're sh*te; (ii) he's a ****; and (iii) his name is an anagram of oral sex, which means he's a **** with a stupid name.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

I tend not to go for music by artists clad in leather and sporting mulletts, but I'd still say Sweet Child of Mine is a definite tune.

I'd also say G'n'R were more mid-1980s, whilst Nirvana were more early 1990s, so are they contemporaries?

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Hong Kong Blue @ June 14 2005,18:11)]I'd also say G'n'R were more mid-1980s, whilst Nirvana were more early 1990s, so are they contemporaries?

There was definitely a fair overlap in their careers. I read somewhere that shortly before he died Kurt told a friend that he was worried he'd become what he'd always hated when he found himself on a First Class flight from LA swapping drug rehab stories with a member of Guns And Roses.

To further add to the guitar solo's debate - Justin Hawkins from 'The $%&*ness' is an exponent of the guitar solo....I therefore rest my case in the argument against solo's! Speaking of which did anyone else read about him slagging off Pete Doherty...how anyone so talentless has the gall to criticise someone as gifted as Pete really defies belief.

 

[Guest]

I wouldn't call the Darkness talentless. They certainly polarise opinion - most people either love them or loathe them, however on the whole they're not bad musicians either (although I would never classify them as being brilliant or exceptional).

Pete Doherty is good but massively overrated by some portions of the rock media (and his fans) IMO

 

[Ron Manager]

Quote[/b] (Whatever @ June 14 2005,23:15)]I wouldn't call the Darkness talentless. They certainly polarise opinion - most people either love them or loathe them, however on the whole they're not bad musicians either (although I would never classify them as being brilliant or exceptional).

Pete Doherty is good but massively overrated by some portions of the rock media (and his fans) IMO

Music, like football, is all about opinions of course but I have to say I disagree with almost everything you've said in that post.

The $%&*ness are totally devoid of talent in my opinion and Pete Doherty, as a member of The Libertines, has made the best 2 albums of this decade so far. That's more than good, that's legendary......in my opinion (again) of course.

 

[Upminster Blue]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ June 13 2005,22:41)]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 13 2005,16:51)]

Quote[/b] (A loyal supporter @ June 09 2005,20:26)]I've always absolutely detested the work of Guns n Roses. Not entirely sure why

Because you are a man of exquisite taste - it's simple, really.

Glad to have answered your dilemma.

Find it hard to see why Guns 'n' Roses seem to get a lot of stick.

I can guarantee that having tried a wide variety of songs, the best two albums for getting in the zone for an exam are Smash by Offspring or Appetite for Destruction.

Lovely stuff.

Appetite for Destruction was my A level revision music. A classic album and certainly well up there in my top 10 of all time (as I believe it was in the recent Channel 4 chart). Not a bad track from start to finish. Still play it regularly.

As for their later stuff, not so impressed - I think they got a bit up themselves.

 

[sufcintheprem]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 14 2005,01:13)]Eurgh. The only decent things about Guns N Roses are (a) Slash, a more than competent guitarist; and (b) the fact that they are no longer together.

They were at the tail end of mulleted 80s rock which, frankly, the likes of Def Leppard and Scorpions did better.

If you want some uplifting hard rock to get you in the zone, try AC/DC's Back in Black - a true rock classic. Alternatively, if you want angst, go for Axl's contemporaries, Nirvana.

Axl tried to glean from both styles, and ended up achieving neither. Dreadful stuff, I assure you.

Frankly Matt, you do type a lot of stuff I disagree with, to put a polite slant on it, but I can't agree with this. As an owner and, indeed, proud owner of both Back In Black and Appetite, I'm a little shocked that you rate one so much higher than the other.

As much as I rate Back In Black, There isn't one song on there, again IMO, as Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O'Mine (surely one of the greatest guitar riffs ever made) or It's So Easy (as so superbly performed by the Manic Street Preachers at Leed).

I like ACDC but in comparison, well I struggle to see them because they're so pale.

(As for Slash being adequate, please, show me a guitarist that can fret notes so well. Presumably you don't play guitar.)

 

[sufcintheprem]

To add more controversy, I completely disagree that Axl Rose's high pitched tones matched in any way to Cobain's dark lyircal work.

 

[W4 Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Matt the Shrimp @ June 14 2005,17:31)]P.S. My objection to Axl Rose and Guns'n'Roses is that (i) they're sh*te; (ii) he's a ****; and (iii) his name is an anagram of oral sex, which means he's a **** with a stupid name.

Points (ii) and (iii) I can have, but not point (i).

Sitting in traffic yesterday when 'Paradise City' came on. Bloody marvellous (it's great when a song you haven't heard for a while comes on the radio isn't it?).

Plenty of other tracks from Appetite for Destruction (admittedly not too many from their later albums) do and will stand the test of time when you're talking about great heavy rock/metal tracks. It's So Easy, Mr Brownstone, Sweet Child o' Mine and perhaps most of all, Welcome to the Jungle.

 

[W4 Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Ron Manager @ June 14 2005,19:43)]To further add to the guitar solo's debate - Justin Hawkins from 'The $%&*ness' is an exponent of the guitar solo....I therefore rest my case in the argument against solo's! Speaking of which did anyone else read about him slagging off Pete Doherty...how anyone so talentless has the gall to criticise someone as gifted as Pete really defies belief.

I didn't hear what Hawkins said, Was he slagging off Doherty's musical talent? Because he's on very thin ice there.

If he was slating Doherty for being a junkie loser, he has a point.

 

[Hong Kong Blue]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ June 16 2005,02:54)]Frankly Matt, you do type a lot of stuff I disagree with

sufcintheprem - I think you speak for us all.

 

[Matt the Shrimp]

Quote[/b] (sufcintheprem @ June 16 2005,02:54)]Frankly Matt, you do type a lot of stuff I disagree with, to put a polite slant on it, but I can't agree with this.

(As for Slash being adequate, please, show me a guitarist that can fret notes so well.  Presumably you don't play guitar.)

I do like to stir the pot...

Seriously, though - I genuinely believe that GnR don't hold a candle to AC/DC, and particularly Back in Black. Leaving aside that it's the sixth best-selling album of any genre of all time, when producing that album AC/DC were potentially at a devastating cross-roads, in that their lead singer Bon Scott had just drank himself to death.

So, what did they do? They found a new lead singer - Brian Johnson - with a completely different sound... and then went on to produce the biggest-selling metal album of all time.

You also have to remember that Back in Black came out in 1980... and yet in some respects sounds less dated than Appetite for Destruction.

Largely, I expect, because I detest the cut of Axl Rose's gib, I'm afraid that has rather coloured my opinion of his music. But leaving that aside, I'm still firmly of the view that AC/DC - and Back in Black (the Album and the track of the same name) and You Shook Me All Night Long have stood, and will continue to stand, the test of time far better than say Paradise City and Sweet Child of Mine.

Matt

P.S. I'm sure I said somewhere else that Slash was omitted from my criticism of GnR; there's no doubting he's an exceptional talent. It's just such a shame he had to play alongside one of the biggest peckers of his era for a lead singer...