With God on our side?

[Tangled up in Blue]

How many people voted for the late Archbishop Runcie?

Presumably a majority of the Bishops in the General Synod?:unsure:

:nope:

Try again.

Pray tell.(Geddit?).:winking:

 

[Neil_F]

You financial types might slap each other on the back when people who can afford jolly clever accountants save a few million but it's the rest of us (probably you and YB included) who have to make up the deficit.

Spending has outpaced the tax yield (i.e. there was a structural deficit) for about five years. The tax yield has broadly kept pace with real terms GDP for 25 years (in fact they were artificially inflated by stamp duty during the housing boom and income tax/NIC on financial services bonuses) but it is unsustainable spending increases that have given rise to the structural deficit.

I pay the amount of tax I am legally required to, I presume you do the same. I suspect Wayne Rooney also does, so what is the problem? I know it's easy to run around screaming about evil rich people being the culprits, but it only avoids the real issues that have to be addressed.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Spending has outpaced the tax yield (i.e. there was a structural deficit) for about five years. The tax yield has broadly kept pace with real terms GDP for 25 years (in fact they were artificially inflated by stamp duty during the housing boom and income tax/NIC on financial services bonuses) but it is unsustainable spending increases that have given rise to the structural deficit.

I pay the amount of tax I am legally required to, I presume you do the same. I suspect Wayne Rooney also does, so what is the problem? I know it's easy to run around screaming about evil rich people being the culprits, but it only avoids the real issues that have to be addressed.

Something that we're never going to agree on isn't it? I get angry when I see kids who have to miss meals or live in squalor and the hard figures aren't going to put food in their bellies. Something needs to change - I think we can both agree on that hopefully.

 

[Neil_F]

I didn't disagree, I set out earlier in this discussion that I would focus on absolute poverty and what the broad focus should be. Taking money from higher earners isn't the way to do it though.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Pray tell.(Geddit?).:winking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/uk/archbishop_of_canterbury/newsid_2804000/2804849.stm

Spending has outpaced the tax yield (i.e. there was a structural deficit) for about five years. The tax yield has broadly kept pace with real terms GDP for 25 years (in fact they were artificially inflated by stamp duty during the housing boom and income tax/NIC on financial services bonuses) but it is unsustainable spending increases that have given rise to the structural deficit.

I pay the amount of tax I am legally required to, I presume you do the same. I suspect Wayne Rooney also does, so what is the problem? I know it's easy to run around screaming about evil rich people being the culprits, but it only avoids the real issues that have to be addressed.

Absolutely.

 

[Swiss Tony]

Not really. Just repulsed by greed when people are starving.

No child is starving in this country by fault of any goverment,the hand out system wouldn't allow it,it's crap parents that score that goal.

 

[MK Shrimper]

No child is starving in this country by fault of any goverment,the hand out system wouldn't allow it,it's crap parents that score that goal.

Ah mate, check out the "poor kids" TV show on Iplayer. That's not the case at all.

 

[milhouse]

I'd be interested to know where the Archbishop stands on AV or other voting systems.

Because if his complaint is that "no-one voted for" the coalition (although TBF he actually said nobody voted for the policies) then presumably he doesn't like coalitiions where the policy gets cobbled together afterwards.

On the other hand, he can't like FPTP because that's an elected dictatorship where maybe 36% or 39% or so vote for the government who (ordinarily) have pretty much absolute power.

Both pretty unappetising from his point of view I would think. In either case, a majority to not vote for the policies.

 

[Napster]

and how is the Pope elected?

 

[Uncle Leo]

and how is the Pope elected?

Something to do with bears ******** in the woods I think

 

[osymandus]

Spending has outpaced the tax yield (i.e. there was a structural deficit) for about five years. The tax yield has broadly kept pace with real terms GDP for 25 years (in fact they were artificially inflated by stamp duty during the housing boom and income tax/NIC on financial services bonuses) but it is unsustainable spending increases that have given rise to the structural deficit.

I pay the amount of tax I am legally required to, I presume you do the same. I suspect Wayne Rooney also does, so what is the problem? I know it's easy to run around screaming about evil rich people being the culprits, but it only avoids the real issues that have to be addressed.

Try but the many super welthy help perpetuate teh poverty is some cases as it helps them to do so . Always good to have a country you can go to that has workers who will work for very little as they have no choice .

Just because a law exists does not make it just. Especially if a law is created to serve those alone who voted for it.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Why do the left automatically assume that if someone is experiencing hard times that it is the fault of the rich? Some people are poor because of their own lazy and feckless behaviour. I enjoyed this article from Peter Hitchens in the Mail (or the punchline to every unimaginative and unfunny comedian's joke, as it has become), where he asks :

Why is it so bad to draw a line between the deserving and the undeserving poor?

I couldn't agree more with Mr Hitchens' overriding sentiment that the Archbishop should be using Christ as his major source of reference rather than Marx.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Why do the left automatically assume that if someone is experiencing hard times that it is the fault of the rich? Some people are poor because of their own lazy and feckless behaviour. I enjoyed this article from Peter Hitchens in the Mail (or the punchline to every unimaginative and unfunny comedian's joke, as it has become), where he asks :

Why is it so bad to draw a line between the deserving and the undeserving poor?

I couldn't agree more with Mr Hitchens' overriding sentiment that the Archbishop should be using Christ as his major source of reference rather than Marx.

And I enjoyed his performance on lastThursday's BBC Question time when he was called a hack(which he undoubtly is)to his face by a member of the audience.Even kept him quiet for a bit.:thumbsup:

 

[Swiss Tony]

Ah mate, check out the "poor kids" TV show on Iplayer. That's not the case at all.

I'll repeat mate,there are no starving kids in the UK unless neglected by parent(s).

 

[osymandus]

Why do the left automatically assume that if someone is experiencing hard times that it is the fault of the rich? Some people are poor because of their own lazy and feckless behaviour. I enjoyed this article from Peter Hitchens in the Mail (or the punchline to every unimaginative and unfunny comedian's joke, as it has become), where he asks :

Why is it so bad to draw a line between the deserving and the undeserving poor?

I couldn't agree more with Mr Hitchens' overriding sentiment that the Archbishop should be using Christ as his major source of reference rather than Marx.

Peter Vs Chris (ill give you clue on who wins , his name is Hittchens and his initial starts with a C) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnVQLOd9Lg

Peter is an arse , a hack and often and roundly defeated by is more intellegent brother.

 

[osymandus]

I'll repeat mate,there are no starving kids in the UK unless neglected by parent(s).

That's a contradiction surly ? And I believe the NSPCC would disagree with this.
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-vi...ct-calls/10-02-25-child-neglect_wda75535.html

 

[Napster]

That's a contradiction surly ? And I believe the NSPCC would disagree with this.
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-vi...ct-calls/10-02-25-child-neglect_wda75535.html

of course the NSPCC would say that, they need funding!!!

 

[osymandus]

of course the NSPCC would say that, they need funding!!!

I believe its how they help neglected children . Their profit margin for neglected children is very poor you know :P

 

[Napster]

I believe its how they help neglected children . Their profit margin for neglected children is very poor you know :P

tsk, always blaming the market.:smiles:

 

[osymandus]

tsk, always blaming the market.:smiles:

Hey im quoting market forces here , they don;t fit the ideal of teh punters their replaced by the newest model ;)