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What WE can do for OUR club - GET INVOLVED NOW!!

Every season ticket holder who can afford to, could pay for next years ticket now.

I was thinking something similar. If the club guaranteed to fix ST price for next season to this seasons price then people can pay 50% (and save £25) or 100% and save £50. All considering tickets were bought by Tuesday.

Say an entirely possible 1000 people did this, after admin costs we would have £200k


In addition, I hope Ron is in contact with the trust and lets them know how much we need by wednesday - is it £660k or does Ron have £260k say and there is a shortfall of £400k?
 
I was thinking something similar. If the club guaranteed to fix ST price for next season to this seasons price then people can pay 50% (and save £25) or 100% and save £50. All considering tickets were bought by Tuesday.

Say an entirely possible 1000 people did this, after admin costs we would have £200k


Wouldn't that be the same sort of thing which got us in this mess ? ie using future income to meet current liabilities ?, and what would happen when the next tax bill comes in, remember the season ticket money for this season was coming in before the first hearing and we didn't use it then.

Mind you If everyone paid by credit card the club could still go into administration, we claim the money back off the credit card companies and buy the tickets again,

What i really want to know is , if HMRC are that concerned about people owing money, why has is it a year since they told Mrs FS that she has being paying too much tax since 2003 yet they have not given us the money back yet
 
Problem with season tickets is, I'm sure that they would come under the provenence of the club whereas I think in lieu of administration we would be better served keeping additional revenue away from there. I may be completely wrong of course.
 
What i really want to know is , if HMRC are that concerned about people owing money, why has is it a year since they told Mrs FS that she has being paying too much tax since 2003 yet they have not given us the money back yet

The difference is that the HMRC already have your wife's money and they want to hang on to it as long as poss -- they also want SUFC's money as well.

Having their cake and eating it.
 
It maybe worthwhile somebody at the Shrimpers Trust contacting Exeter City’s Vice Chairman and Sporting Director, Julian Tagg. I know from commercial contacts with Julian that he is very approachable and his experience of successfully dealing with football clubs in administration is unrivalled. Indeed, I believe he is the advisor to clubs in the Conference who enter or are near to entering administration.

Julian was the prime mover in the Exeter Trust taking over ownership of their club in 2003 (the previous Chairman and Vice Chairman stole the clubs money for which they eventually did time) and turning it into a community club, with 2 trust directors representing the trust on the ECFC Board and other professional directors appointed by the trust.

The trust took over with ECFC having been relegated from league 2, facing debts of 4million pounds, a ten point deduction from the Conference, hostility from HMRC and a ground that was falling to bits.

Today, they are in league1, have no debts of significance, have plans and funding in place to re-develop their ramshackle ground to a 15,000 capacity and are still owned by the Trust, who have directly contributed over 1 million pounds to the club, including a current average payment which I understand directly funds the wages of a couple of players. In fact, in the early days it was only the Trust’s involvement that prevented the club from lurching into insolvency.

Personally, I think Ron Martin has been very unlucky to have had his ambitious development plans caught up in the banking and credit crisis. Although I have always harboured serious doubts about the allocation of planning expenditure to the clubs books, rather than those of Martin Dawn, and the lack of ownership by the club of the proposed new stadium, at any other time in the last 15-20 years Ron would probably have pulled it off, to his certain benefit and possibly to the advantage of SUFC.

However, even allowing for essential business considerations and necessary commercial secrecy on the detail, it is unforgivable that supporters have been kept in the dark like a bunch of mushrooms and fed a diet of manure rather than be given the broad outline, at an early stage, of the difficulties the club found itself in.

It is also almost incomprehensible that the club has used payments due to HMRC (I’m unclear as to whether these are VAT or National Insurance contributions or both) for cash flow purposes. Either way, it appears that HMRC’s money has been collected and then not passed on, used to prop up cash flow and gambled against the vagaries of Southend Council’s Planning Committee. If I learned one thing at an early age, it was if your going to knock anyone in business, then screw your rivals, your suppliers or even your customers and friends but don’t mess with the Revenue. Even Jobson, with whom I had several dealings didn’t, as far as I’m aware, try that one.

As a Blues supporter for just over 50 years, and a sponsor during the John Main era, it breaks my heart to see the club in this mess. The Club is owned by Ron Martin but it belongs fairly and squarely to the people of Southend, both current residents and long departed exiles like myself who can only get to a handful of games each year.

Even at this late stage, I pray Ron can pull a rabbit out of the hat. But if he can’t or won’t then supporters, through the Shrimpers Trust, should be ready to step in and save the Club. The only way to do that is to be informed and to be organised and a call to Julian Tagg at ECFC is a damn good starting point.


all good sense - why throw money in a bucket when we could do something with it .
 
It maybe worthwhile somebody at the Shrimpers Trust contacting Exeter City’s Vice Chairman and Sporting Director, Julian Tagg. I know from commercial contacts with Julian that he is very approachable and his experience of successfully dealing with football clubs in administration is unrivalled. Indeed, I believe he is the advisor to clubs in the Conference who enter or are near to entering administration.

Julian was the prime mover in the Exeter Trust taking over ownership of their club in 2003 (the previous Chairman and Vice Chairman stole the clubs money for which they eventually did time) and turning it into a community club, with 2 trust directors representing the trust on the ECFC Board and other professional directors appointed by the trust.

The trust took over with ECFC having been relegated from league 2, facing debts of 4million pounds, a ten point deduction from the Conference, hostility from HMRC and a ground that was falling to bits.

Today, they are in league1, have no debts of significance, have plans and funding in place to re-develop their ramshackle ground to a 15,000 capacity and are still owned by the Trust, who have directly contributed over 1 million pounds to the club, including a current average payment which I understand directly funds the wages of a couple of players. In fact, in the early days it was only the Trust’s involvement that prevented the club from lurching into insolvency.

Personally, I think Ron Martin has been very unlucky to have had his ambitious development plans caught up in the banking and credit crisis. Although I have always harboured serious doubts about the allocation of planning expenditure to the clubs books, rather than those of Martin Dawn, and the lack of ownership by the club of the proposed new stadium, at any other time in the last 15-20 years Ron would probably have pulled it off, to his certain benefit and possibly to the advantage of SUFC.

However, even allowing for essential business considerations and necessary commercial secrecy on the detail, it is unforgivable that supporters have been kept in the dark like a bunch of mushrooms and fed a diet of manure rather than be given the broad outline, at an early stage, of the difficulties the club found itself in.

It is also almost incomprehensible that the club has used payments due to HMRC (I’m unclear as to whether these are VAT or National Insurance contributions or both) for cash flow purposes. Either way, it appears that HMRC’s money has been collected and then not passed on, used to prop up cash flow and gambled against the vagaries of Southend Council’s Planning Committee. If I learned one thing at an early age, it was if your going to knock anyone in business, then screw your rivals, your suppliers or even your customers and friends but don’t mess with the Revenue. Even Jobson, with whom I had several dealings didn’t, as far as I’m aware, try that one.

As a Blues supporter for just over 50 years, and a sponsor during the John Main era, it breaks my heart to see the club in this mess. The Club is owned by Ron Martin but it belongs fairly and squarely to the people of Southend, both current residents and long departed exiles like myself who can only get to a handful of games each year.

Even at this late stage, I pray Ron can pull a rabbit out of the hat. But if he can’t or won’t then supporters, through the Shrimpers Trust, should be ready to step in and save the Club. The only way to do that is to be informed and to be organised and a call to Julian Tagg at ECFC is a damn good starting point.


One of the Trust Board Member's Nephew works at Exeter City, and has already received a phone call this afternoon.

Contact is being made again tomorrow when we will ask if we can speak to Julian.
 
Problem with season tickets is, I'm sure that they would come under the provenence of the club whereas I think in lieu of administration we would be better served keeping additional revenue away from there. I may be completely wrong of course.

Agree completely OBL. Make plans for the medium term and keep monies raised away from the club, otherwise it will simply disappear into a big black hole.

Unless RM can pull out that rabbit we will go into administration next week.
Once in administration monies handed over should be traded for part or whole ownership. I mentioned Exeter City in an earlier post. The trust there was able to raise pledges to the sum of about £500,000 within a few weeks of launching a fighting fund appeal and that on an average gate of 2,500 at the time, and a much smaller catchment area than Southend.

 
I'll try raise the issue with Bournemouth supporters, seeing as I live here and they're in a similar predicament currently. I'll get on their forums once we have a donation link sorted.
 
Agree completely OBL. Make plans for the medium term and keep monies raised away from the club, otherwise it will simply disappear into a big black hole.

Unless RM can pull out that rabbit we will go into administration next week.
Once in administration monies handed over should be traded for part or whole ownership. I mentioned Exeter City in an earlier post. The trust there was able to raise pledges to the sum of about £500,000 within a few weeks of launching a fighting fund appeal and that on an average gate of 2,500 at the time, and a much smaller catchment area than Southend.


Blimey that's impressive.

BTW welcome to the board mate.
 
Can we all protest/march to the game Fri night? All gather in mass at the HMRC building in Southend @5:30pm. Make our voices heard - march via the Civic Centre - re planning - get to the ground at 7:15ish????? Thoughts??????

Too early mate, most fans still on their way home from work. make it 6.30-6.45 p.m. and should get a fair turnout, as long as the law dont move everyone on whilst gathering. I would presume that all staff at the civic centre would be long gone by then.
 
Can we all protest/march to the game Fri night? All gather in mass at the HMRC building in Southend @5:30pm. Make our voices heard - march via the Civic Centre - re planning - get to the ground at 7:15ish????? Thoughts??????

What and protest that we havent paid their bill?

Protest outside Rons office if you want a protest.
 
Agree completely OBL. Make plans for the medium term and keep monies raised away from the club, otherwise it will simply disappear into a big black hole.

Unless RM can pull out that rabbit we will go into administration next week.
Once in administration monies handed over should be traded for part or whole ownership. I mentioned Exeter City in an earlier post. The trust there was able to raise pledges to the sum of about £500,000 within a few weeks of launching a fighting fund appeal and that on an average gate of 2,500 at the time, and a much smaller catchment area than Southend.


Good point (and OBL too). Now I see this case, I would refuse my own offer to buy a ST for next season early.
 
It maybe worthwhile somebody at the Shrimpers Trust contacting Exeter City’s Vice Chairman and Sporting Director, Julian Tagg. I know from commercial contacts with Julian that he is very approachable and his experience of successfully dealing with football clubs in administration is unrivalled. Indeed, I believe he is the advisor to clubs in the Conference who enter or are near to entering administration.

Julian was the prime mover in the Exeter Trust taking over ownership of their club in 2003 (the previous Chairman and Vice Chairman stole the clubs money for which they eventually did time) and turning it into a community club, with 2 trust directors representing the trust on the ECFC Board and other professional directors appointed by the trust.

The trust took over with ECFC having been relegated from league 2, facing debts of 4million pounds, a ten point deduction from the Conference, hostility from HMRC and a ground that was falling to bits.

Today, they are in league1, have no debts of significance, have plans and funding in place to re-develop their ramshackle ground to a 15,000 capacity and are still owned by the Trust, who have directly contributed over 1 million pounds to the club, including a current average payment which I understand directly funds the wages of a couple of players. In fact, in the early days it was only the Trust’s involvement that prevented the club from lurching into insolvency.

Personally, I think Ron Martin has been very unlucky to have had his ambitious development plans caught up in the banking and credit crisis. Although I have always harboured serious doubts about the allocation of planning expenditure to the clubs books, rather than those of Martin Dawn, and the lack of ownership by the club of the proposed new stadium, at any other time in the last 15-20 years Ron would probably have pulled it off, to his certain benefit and possibly to the advantage of SUFC.

However, even allowing for essential business considerations and necessary commercial secrecy on the detail, it is unforgivable that supporters have been kept in the dark like a bunch of mushrooms and fed a diet of manure rather than be given the broad outline, at an early stage, of the difficulties the club found itself in.

It is also almost incomprehensible that the club has used payments due to HMRC (I’m unclear as to whether these are VAT or National Insurance contributions or both) for cash flow purposes. Either way, it appears that HMRC’s money has been collected and then not passed on, used to prop up cash flow and gambled against the vagaries of Southend Council’s Planning Committee. If I learned one thing at an early age, it was if your going to knock anyone in business, then screw your rivals, your suppliers or even your customers and friends but don’t mess with the Revenue. Even Jobson, with whom I had several dealings didn’t, as far as I’m aware, try that one.

As a Blues supporter for just over 50 years, and a sponsor during the John Main era, it breaks my heart to see the club in this mess. The Club is owned by Ron Martin but it belongs fairly and squarely to the people of Southend, both current residents and long departed exiles like myself who can only get to a handful of games each year.

Even at this late stage, I pray Ron can pull a rabbit out of the hat. But if he can’t or won’t then supporters, through the Shrimpers Trust, should be ready to step in and save the Club. The only way to do that is to be informed and to be organised and a call to Julian Tagg at ECFC is a damn good starting point.


I accidently neg-repped this post. Sorry! Can a couple of people rep it properly to make up for it, please?

Unfortunately using tax money to tide us over cash-wise isn't "incomprehensible". It's common practise for football clubs which is why HMRC have been coming down so much harder on clubs nowadays and is what caused the Leeds United issue the other year. Clubs have been able to use that tax money as working capital, go into Administration and then force the tax man to take 10p in the pound whilst honouring football debts to players and other clubs. It's what the ten point penalty was brought in to stop and when that didn't work it's why HMRC started opposing CVAs hence the larger penalties that the likes of Leeds and Bournemouth have endured in recent years.
 
Problem with season tickets is, I'm sure that they would come under the provenence of the club whereas I think in lieu of administration we would be better served keeping additional revenue away from there. I may be completely wrong of course.

The Club wouldn't get near to those funds, particularly if paid for by card. In fact on that point I'd be surprised if any money paid by Card to SUFC would be getting to them after today. Maybe worth buying anything that you want in the Club shop with cash for now if you want to ensure that the Club sees the money.
 
The Club wouldn't get near to those funds, particularly if paid for by card. In fact on that point I'd be surprised if any money paid by Card to SUFC would be getting to them after today. Maybe worth buying anything that you want in the Club shop with cash for now if you want to ensure that the Club sees the money.

Isn't the club shop a franchise owned by an outside company and paying SUFC for the privilege ?
 
The Club wouldn't get near to those funds, particularly if paid for by card. In fact on that point I'd be surprised if any money paid by Card to SUFC would be getting to them after today. Maybe worth buying anything that you want in the Club shop with cash for now if you want to ensure that the Club sees the money.

But if the club shop is a franchise any money spent in there wouldn't reach the club anyway ??

** Or what mcnasty said before me **
 
The Club wouldn't get near to those funds, particularly if paid for by card. In fact on that point I'd be surprised if any money paid by Card to SUFC would be getting to them after today. Maybe worth buying anything that you want in the Club shop with cash for now if you want to ensure that the Club sees the money.

SUFC don't run the club shop, they sold that off as well. So any money spent in there they wouldn't get - only a small % I believe.
 
Guys, apparently the Club shop isn't owned by SUFC. Can anyone confirm this? ;)

The point stands though. Don't use your card if you're buying tickets or anything else.
 

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