what have we gained from selling barney

[stortford]

Received £250,000 but replaced one wage with four. OK Patterson and Spencer will be cheaper but Baldwin & Vernon probably aren't and don't be surprised if a savvy loaning club asked for a wedge upfront to guarantee their wages will be paid.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Erm, what are you talking about?

We have just got £250k for Barnard. Money in bank. We need X amount of money as income each week/month/year to survive. We are struggling now. £250k may be a quick fix, but keeping Barney till the end of the season may have meant we don't get £250k now, but if Barney's goals keep us in L1, the club is a more attractive proposition to potential players, fans, advertisers etc. If we get relegated, the £250k we got for Barney will be lost very fast. Our revenue will go down, we won't be able to attract decent players, some of the players here on a decent wage will have to be paid still on a lower revenue.


I don't believe the stadium will get built while we are in L2 either.

2 scenarios:

1)we sell Barney, we get relegated as his goals don't keep us up
2)We keep Barney till end of season, stay up, you watch L1 football next year.

I understand that Ron may have needed the £250k now to pay HMRC etc but it's the long term futute I worry about. Maybe the only way to have a future is to sell Barney now, I don't know, but my thoughts are that Barneys goals would have kept us in L1.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

a possibly 250k and a serious relegation fight.

from the start i always said why sell him and risk being relegated.

if it was the case of putting that 250k for the sale towards a new player then i can accept that and be happy but its not and it never is with us.

we gained a freebit from spencer and paterson who i will gladly give them a chance but no money being spent again.

where is all this money going. paying off bills blah blah blah. the teams comes first not rons mis-management and mess-ups.

now a huge risk has been taken and we are in the thick of a relegation battle which i don't think a lot of people are taking seriously at the moment because they might think we are too good to go down.

a very risky move by the board. hopefully it will work out from the teams point of view but i am furious that the board are gambling with our clubc future. if we do go down on the ron martins head be it.

i hope to see a lot more passion today from the players

up the blues

Firstly, I was in favour of keeping Barney and accepting that he would walk for a free, much for the reasons that you have pointed to above. Unfortunately, I feel that you are taking a rather one-dimensional view of the situation i.e. that it was just the clubs choice whether we sold him or not. It beacame abundantly clear, around the time of the transfer, that Barney REALLY WANTED TO GO. So, in the end you have to consider what exactly you would have got from Barney for the next four months, knowing that you were keeping him against his wishes. Sadly, I think the club got out of the situation as well as it possibly could have done.

 

[Beefy]

2 scenarios:

1)we sell Barney, we get relegated as his goals don't keep us up
2)We keep Barney till end of season, stay up, you watch L1 football next year.

3) We sell Barney and stay up
4) We keep Barney until the end of the season and get relegated.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

3) We sell Barney and stay up
4) We keep Barney until the end of the season and get relegated.

Do you believe your scenarios or mine...

 

[Beefy]

Do you believe your scenarios or mine...

I don't believe you've got a crystal ball. According to some on here, we should have sold Eastwood in Jan 07 because his head was turned. Barney could have got injured, he could have not bothered once we'd turned down moves to Southampton or Leeds, he could have gone off of form.

If we get relegated then history will say that it was down to the decision to sell Barnard.

Selling Lee Barnard hasn't caused us to defend like amateurs.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

I don't believe you've got a crystal ball. According to some on here, we should have sold Eastwood in Jan 07 because his head was turned. Barney could have got injured, he could have not bothered once we'd turned down moves to Southampton or Leeds, he could have gone off of form.

If we get relegated then history will say that it was down to the decision to sell Barnard.

Selling Lee Barnard hasn't caused us to defend like amateurs.

No, we are masters at that, with or without Barney

 

[Frankie the half breed]

Personally i don't think we will go down. Barnard hasn't scored any for southampton yet.

 

[Maldon Blues]

where is all this money going. paying off bills blah blah blah. the teams comes first not rons mis-management and mess-ups.

No, paying the bills comes first.

 

[chapperzUK]

If we kept him then it would have cost us money in wages and bonuses, but his goals would have kept us up.

 

[the_goat]

Can I just ask, did anyone on here REALLY rate Barnard? I mean, I liked him, he was a goalscorer and local lad, but quite frankly I don't think he was worth a huge amount and I cirtainly don't think he will cut it in the Championship.

 

[BrettieAngell]

You are missing the point. Ron will lose much much more than £250 when the lack of Barney's goals gets us relegated. Gain £250k now and lose £2 million later. If you are happy with that scenario, you crack on

I never said I was happy about it!

You were saying the club would be gone if we get relegated this season which is clearly a load of rubbish, there is no garuantee we would stay up if Barney was still here and it seems like we may have unearthed a gem in Spencer anyway!

 

[Firestorm]

Would Barnard have made a difference yesterday ?

 

[shrimpled]

i agree 10 more points would have a been a much better suitation to be in. my point is our 2nd top goal scorer is laurent with 3, macca's got a couple. moose 1, barrett 1, christophe 1, spencer 1 and that about it really. not enough goals to keep us up.

hopefully the loanees will help out but i'm very annoyed that we get money in for great players yet never replace them e.g spend that money earnt on getting a replacement.

Let us not forget Matt that midway through the first half yesterday you wanted Simon Francis, a solid player who we would have got good money for to 'F*** off to Peterborough'. Needless to say had he done so i have a sneaky feeling you may have been annoyed with RM for selling him.

 

[Roxy]

Can I just ask, did anyone on here REALLY rate Barnard? I mean, I liked him, he was a goalscorer and local lad, but quite frankly I don't think he was worth a huge amount and I cirtainly don't think he will cut it in the Championship.

Yes.

I think his goal scoring record speaks for itself, he can do no more than score goals - that's his job and he does it very well if given decent service.

He lacks pace granted, but his work rate, endeavour and a good hard working attitude is what you get from Barney and personally I'd rather have that than not.

His worth is what the current market will pay for him - you could say Freddie was not worth what Wolves paid, not sure they got value for money with him but all these things are relative. If Southampton think he can get them 10 goals between now and the end of the Season and that gets them into the playoffs or the FA Cup final then its money well spent, because they will earn off of their success.

With regards to yesterday, no in terms of our defending no difference probably - but if you know you have got a top striker playing for you who want's the ball and is likely to score given a chance then that team will have alot more confidence about them unlike our first half yesterday.

Think Scotty Spencer could do well given a run in the side, he has that same hunger for the ball and that nuisance factor for defenders and he has a bit of pace too.

If Tilly can find the right partner for him, I think he could be the one to carry on where Barney left off.

 

[Feathers]

It all very well theorising whether selling Barnard or not will cost us relegation. Another scenario is we kept him and a late tackle injures him for the rest of the season. It is just far too simplistic to say that keeping Barnard would have kept us up.

The main point has to be what did Lee Barnard want? When bigger clubs like Southampton and Leeds showed an interest he is (almost) bound to want to go. Is an unhappy Lee Barnard likely to score as many goals? What impact would an unhappy player have on team morale?

In an ideal world I would liked us to have kept him but for financial and footballing reasons I think the correct decision was made.

 

[BrettieAngell]

It all very well theorising whether selling Barnard or not will cost us relegation. Another scenario is we kept him and a late tackle injures him for the rest of the season. It is just far too simplistic to say that keeping Barnard would have kept us up.

The main point has to be what did Lee Barnard want? When bigger clubs like Southampton and Leeds showed an interest he is (almost) bound to want to go. Is an unhappy Lee Barnard likely to score as many goals? What impact would an unhappy player have on team morale?

In an ideal world I would liked us to have kept him but for financial and footballing reasons I think the correct decision was made.

Yep thats basically it, its a no win situation really so some money in the bank now is better then nothing!

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

It all very well theorising whether selling Barnard or not will cost us relegation. Another scenario is we kept him and a late tackle injures him for the rest of the season. It is just far too simplistic to say that keeping Barnard would have kept us up.

The main point has to be what did Lee Barnard want? When bigger clubs like Southampton and Leeds showed an interest he is (almost) bound to want to go. Is an unhappy Lee Barnard likely to score as many goals? What impact would an unhappy player have on team morale?

In an ideal world I would liked us to have kept him but for financial and footballing reasons I think the correct decision was made.

Fully agreed ................this is roughly what I have said earlier.

 

[Jam_Man]

This question can not be answered until the end of the season.

If we get relegated the £175k was not worth it.

If we stay up it was.

However, Barnard wanted to leave, we couldnt force him to stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!