What do you feel is sufc's future?

[mrsblue]

So a stadium smaller than the one we are in that cant sustain us as it is.

Not sure thats a great plan going forward.

I believe RH if run solely for the club could easily cover the costs,Car parking,bars,restaurant,food,raffle,boxes,shop,and ticketing should cover every single cost IF run properly.

FF without the main stand will strangle the life out f this club,RH has roughly 13 boxes?!if occupied for every game would bring in 5k per games or around 115k a season,The club would be minus this amount at FF.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Brown bread.

Hopefully Ron is.

 

[Sentinel]

That's a bit under the belt Westy. Whatever you think of Ron he doesn't deserve that.

 

[Jam_Man]

I believe RH if run solely for the club could easily cover the costs,Car parking,bars,restaurant,food,raffle,boxes,shop,and ticketing should cover every single cost IF run properly.

FF without the main stand will strangle the life out f this club,RH has roughly 13 boxes?!if occupied for every game would bring in 5k per games or around 115k a season,The club would be minus this amount at FF.

It has never been able to sustain us so why would it be able to now ?

If by being run properly you mean having a very small squad of very cheap players that wont ever be able to challenge for anything then maybe you are right, but fans want more, they want progression and Roots Hall can not provide that.

The lack of a 4th stand will indeed be a problem, but thats not a reason for us to stick with a small stadium.

22,000 may well be too ambitious but 16-18,000 would be the minimum we need.

We have shown already this year we can take 30,000 to a game, we showed in the CCC season we can sell out 10,000 home tickets. If we built an 11,000 stadium you are immediately putting a ceiling on the clubs ability to grow and holding it back of all possibilities to develop. If we ever got back into the Championship we would be losing money every game by not being able to sell any more tickets.

Personally think that Ron should scale down ronworld and maybe deliver a stadium similar in size to the keep moat or the new york stadium. It would be more realistic and would still entice new fans for us to build the future with. All of this building a 22k seater stadium whilst attracting 5k in the basement and not being able to pay wages is madness.

The New York stadium is 12,000, not much bigger than we have and too small.

The Keep moat is 15,000 and more realistic, however the difference between 15,000 and 18,000 would only be a few extra rows and would have given us more potential.

 

[Fairport]

The building of the new stadium will start sometime within the next eighteen months. During the course of building it Ron will run out of money and the stadium will be partly finished, maybe one side being built. The club will apply for a certificate from the Football League and as long as the capacity is 6000 plus it will be granted. There will be some temporary seating built to increase the capacity similar to the Withdean Stadium in Brighton. Sainsburys will get the go ahead to build on Roots Hall as the football club will have been relocated. Ron will continue ducking and diving trying to drum up some more finances, we will be playing in division 2.

 

[Jam_Man]

The building of the new stadium will start sometime within the next eighteen months. During the course of building it Ron will run out of money and the stadium will be partly finished, maybe one side being built. The club will apply for a certificate from the Football League and as long as the capacity is 6000 plus it will be granted. There will be some temporary seating built to increase the capacity similar to the Withdean Stadium in Brighton. Sainsburys will get the go ahead to build on Roots Hall as the football club will have been relocated. Ron will continue ducking and diving trying to drum up some more finances, we will be playing in division 2.

That cant happen as the phased planning defines the state fossetts has to be in, which is 3 sides.

Sainsbury are paying for 3 sides so no fear of Ron running out of money during the build. He ran out of money ages ago.

 

[united we stand]

I have always felt that the stadium would happen . My logic was very simple. Sainsburys have wanted the site for over 20 years and have said in the past that it would be their most profitable store. A while back I looked into their annual report and made some estimates on what the likely profit would be , and that reinforced my view (I can't seem to find the actual post using the search function- maybe its me). However I now feel neutral at best. I assumed that everything would have finally been in place by now . The constant delays and now the complete lack of information for months makes me start to wonder if those with a far more negative outlook had it right all along.

I think the one thing we are all in agreement on is that at the moment the lack of info the embargo + 3 sides at best means that its all very depressing and it is difficult to stay positive.. Having said that , roll on Friday where we can forget about the clubs troubles for a couple of hours and can get behind the team

 

[united we stand]

That cant happen as the phased planning defines the state fossetts has to be in, which is 3 sides.

Sainsbury are paying for 3 sides so no fear of Ron running out of money during the build. He ran out of money ages ago.

And this is part of the issue regarding the doom and gloom on here. People 'forget' what has gone before and think the worst and come up with nightmare scenarios that are not going to happen.

Having said that I am sure someone muted 'three sides' months before it was announced and got shot down for bring up such a dumb idea :sad:

 

[Smiffy]

That cant happen as the phased planning defines the state fossetts has to be in, which is 3 sides.

Sainsbury are paying for 3 sides so no fear of Ron running out of money during the build. He ran out of money ages ago.

Don't forget the many millions Sainsbury have already advanced.

I bet that has made a huge dent in the build fund. Whether Ron has enough left in the pot to now complete the three sides, is questionable...

Then again, Sainsbury wouldn't of been stupid enough to advance so much, that the build was on a knife edge. Would they?...

 

[Harry Bullocks]

Is it feasible to build a 3 (or ideally a 4 sided) stadium, with a Main Stand, with a 15,000-18,000 capacity, but to have a "paddock" area in front of the main stand...like we used to have in those heady old days back in the 70's.

Or, is this pie-in-the-sky thinking, and against safety regulations?

 

[Jam_Man]

Don't forget the many millions Sainsbury have already advanced.

I bet that has made a huge dent in the build fund. Whether Ron has enough left in the pot to now complete the three sides, is questionable...

Then again, Sainsbury wouldn't of been stupid enough to advance so much, that the build was on a knife edge. Would they?...

Well the original plan was sell Roots Hall, use money to build Fossetts and make profit.

How much the millions Sainsbury have lent us affects the whole scheme is anyones guess. As we cant afford the 4th stand it doesnt sound like there will be any!

My understanding was the 3 sides is sorted, but god knows what the actual situation is....

 

[Jam_Man]

Is it feasible to build a 3 (or ideally a 4 sided) stadium, with a Main Stand, with a 15,000-18,000 capacity, but to have a "paddock" area in front of the main stand...like we used to have in those heady old days back in the 70's.

Or, is this pie-in-the-sky thinking, and against safety regulations?

Best that will happen will be the safe seating campaign will bring back limited terracing.

 

[mrsblue]

That cant happen as the phased planning defines the state fossetts has to be in, which is 3 sides.

Sainsbury are paying for 3 sides so no fear of Ron running out of money during the build. He ran out of money ages ago.

The council IMO will be very lenient even if FF is far from complete,Sainsbury can build their store which will bring much needed jobs thus boosting the local economy,Meanwhile at FF local tradesmen may also be employed on the construction.

Would the council have the balls to halt all this work and deny locals the opportunity of employment all because of the so called covenant..Can't see it myself.

 

[Jam_Man]

The council IMO will be very lenient even if FF is far from complete,Sainsbury can build their store which will bring much needed jobs thus boosting the local economy,Meanwhile at FF local tradesmen may also be employed on the construction.

Would the council have the balls to halt all this work and deny locals the opportunity of employment all because of the so called covenant..Can't see it myself.

Its not the covenant its the planning permission and is legally binding, they cant just change it willy nilly.

If anything the council got in the way when we tried to scale back the plans to 3 sides, they didnt show huge willingness to bend the rules then.

 

[mrsblue]

Its not the covenant its the planning permission and is legally binding, they cant just change it willy nilly.

If anything the council got in the way when we tried to scale back the plans to 3 sides, they didnt show huge willingness to bend the rules then.

Facts are they agreed to the amendment,Sainsbury IMO will not throw money at the new stadium so if they commence the work and Ron has spent large slices of the fund what will Sainsbury do?.I reckon if FF has floodlights,Turnstiles,Pitch,and even 1 covered large stand with seating bolted down with the rest of the 3 sides mini terracing the council will have to make their decision..Say no and deprive people of many jobs or Ron promises the rest of the ground will be finished in the very near future.

 

[Fairport]

That cant happen as the phased planning defines the state fossetts has to be in, which is 3 sides.

Sainsbury are paying for 3 sides so no fear of Ron running out of money during the build. He ran out of money ages ago.

That would be correct if the money for the three sides is ring-fenced, this may or not be the case. If it isn't, then Ron could easily run out of cash.

 

[wiggy]

Facts are they agreed to the amendment,Sainsbury IMO will not throw money at the new stadium so if they commence the work and Ron has spent large slices of the fund what will Sainsbury do?.I reckon if FF has floodlights,Turnstiles,Pitch,and even 1 covered large stand with seating bolted down with the rest of the 3 sides mini terracing the council will have to make their decision..Say no and deprive people of many jobs or Ron promises the rest of the ground will be finished in the very near future.

Ron is a disaster for SUFC and always will be.......***** of the highest order and if Wenger was manager wouldn't do any better than P.B working with the little liar from above!

 

[Jam_Man]

Facts are they agreed to the amendment,Sainsbury IMO will not throw money at the new stadium so if they commence the work and Ron has spent large slices of the fund what will Sainsbury do?.I reckon if FF has floodlights,Turnstiles,Pitch,and even 1 covered large stand with seating bolted down with the rest of the 3 sides mini terracing the council will have to make their decision..Say no and deprive people of many jobs or Ron promises the rest of the ground will be finished in the very near future.

Who knows.

They certainly wont be building the pitch before the stands go up though :smile:

Whatever happens if they change how the project works and want to change it from 3 sides then they have to go through yet another planning process.

If that was in anyones mind at the moment thats the process they would have just gone through, not the 3 stands.

As its all such a mess you cant rule anything out, but at present its 3 sides and to change it would not be straightforward.

 

[Jam_Man]

That would be correct if the money for the three sides is ring-fenced, this may or not be the case. If it isn't, then Ron could easily run out of cash.

I would imagine that the money isnt even here to be ringfenced, Sainsbury will be controlling that Im sure.

 

[Tommy2holes]

Depressing state of affairs and one that highlights the fact that this club will go terminal in months if something doesn't give.