Tories Win the General Election

[Slipperduke]

Geoff Hoon and Patrica Hewitt have just won the election for the Tories by demanding a secret ballot on Gordon Brown's leadership of the Labour party. If you open the window and listen very hard, you might hear Cameron laughing his head off.

Why is it that the only aspect of 'Old Labour' that New Labour are capable of is imploding for no reason?

 

[osymandus]

They had to do it , there was a chance that the public relasied both GB and Dave "your mate" Cameron were a waste of space so the Sir Humpreys of teh world demanded that Labour crash and burn .

Upset them all vote Lib Dem , the investors have never given them any money so if they get in they won't listen to them and (for maybe the first year ) do what they want :D

 

[MK Shrimper]

It still has to be one of the biggest swings ever for Davey C and the scumbag party to grasp power though. Not as though the current bunch are any better.

How depressing...and I bet the general election will have a turn out less than 30%.

 

[ldnfatso]

Bring back Kinnock!:clap:

 

[Mad Cyril]

I'm not so sure the Tories are a shoo in.

Everyone I know thinks David Cameron is a smarmy ****.

I think we need a figurehead for good like Ross Kemp or Bob Geldoff running the show.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Newsflash-Reality check

There WON'T be a secret ballot of Labour MPS.Gordon Brown will lead the labour Party into the next election.There will be a hung Parliament probably with the Tories being the major party but not with an overall majority.

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

I don't think it'll make one iota of difference. The vast majority of the electorate have their minds made up already and will vote as they always have done. The remaining floating voters and first-time voters will only make up their minds nearer election day (although most of the latter tend to follow the way their own family votes). This will have no bearing on it.

For what it's worth, Gordon Brown surprisingly had the measure of David Cameron in PMQ's today, but again it won't make a shred of difference. What should worry the opposition more, however, is the pattern of opinion polls in the past few months gradually showing their lead whittling away to the point where a hung parliament is a real possibility.

Whatever Hoon and Hewitt have been doing today (guided, no doubt, by Charles Clarke), it's very much 'game-on'.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I don't think it'll make one iota of difference. The vast majority of the electorate have their minds made up already and will vote as they always have done. The remaining floating voters and first-time voters will only make up their minds nearer election day (although most of the latter tend to follow the way their own family votes). This will have no bearing on it.

The vast majority of the electorate won't even bother to vote mate.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Nick Griffin for PM!

 

[Smudger]

Nick Griffin for PM!

Swapping a Prime Minister with only one eye for another with err only one eye would indeed be a turn up for the books.

If he wasn't the Pied Piper of ****s it might be worth doing it for a laugh.

 

[Swiss Tony]

I'm not so sure the Tories are a shoo in.

Everyone I know thinks David Cameron is a smarmy ****.

I think we need a figurehead for good like Ross Kemp or Bob Geldoff running the show.

Brilliant,Ross Kemp,i can see it now,"wos going on Bin laden,you slag.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I don't think it'll make one iota of difference. The vast majority of the electorate have their minds made up already and will vote as they always have done. The remaining floating voters and first-time voters will only make up their minds nearer election day (although most of the latter tend to follow the way their own family votes). This will have no bearing on it.

For what it's worth, Gordon Brown surprisingly had the measure of David Cameron in PMQ's today, but again it won't make a shred of difference. What should worry the opposition more, however, is the pattern of opinion polls in the past few months gradually showing their lead whittling away to the point where a hung parliament is a real possibility.

Whatever Hoon and Hewitt have been doing today (guided, no doubt, by Charles Clarke), it's very much 'game-on'.

Agree with that.

I've heard one particular theory that amuses me quite a bit that Cameron goes easy on Brown at PMQTs these days because he'd actually rather go up against him in the general election. It's one of those conspiracy theories that are so good you hope that are actually true.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Upset them all vote Lib Dem , the investors have never given them any money so if they get in they won't listen to them and (for maybe the first year ) do what they want :D

Fantastic idea, really, I love your thinking. Just one very small minor point though. When Proportional Representation is brought in by the Lib Dems and then, say, five years later the BNP gain seats in Westminster, will you promise to remember who put them there.

Thats not a cheap dig at you Osy, more something for all the Lib Dem er's to remember who lurk on this board.

 

[Ulysses]

Labour need to do something or the Tories will be in. Change of leader would be there only chance of possibly staying (unless the Tories blow up). Can't see them changing Gordon Brown though even if they decide to have a leadership race

 

[osymandus]

Fantastic idea, really, I love your thinking. Just one very small minor point though. When Proportional Representation is brought in by the Lib Dems and then, say, five years later the BNP gain seats in Westminster, will you promise to remember who put them there.

Thats not a cheap dig at you Osy, more something for all the Lib Dem er's to remember who lurk on this board.

Its a small myth really , the reason they even get votes to get in is the uninterested public . Low turn outs for the other . Plus even if they do 1 or 2 can easier be managed but still give us teh illusion of freedom of speech ;)

If you have PR there the only people that put any one in power are the voters (or lack of), so people need to get more aware and intrested in politics (as they are now ) which always worries those in white hall .

 

[canveyshrimper]

Its a small myth really , the reason they even get votes to get in is the uninterested public . Low turn outs for the other . Plus even if they do 1 or 2 can easier be managed but still give us teh illusion of freedom of speech ;)

If you have PR there the only people that put any one in power are the voters (or lack of), so people need to get more aware and intrested in politics (as they are now ) which always worries those in white hall .

Sorry osy but it isn't a myth. Austria has a government held together by a Neo Nazi style party under PR. When this happened the leader of the Have I Got News for you Party, cheerful Charlie Kennedy was up on his hind legs saying what an awful thing this was. But it was done under the PR system the Lib-Dems want to adopt. So it could happen here, many people who are core Labour voters have become disaffected, and have they feeling they are also disenfranchised by this government. And it seems they are ignoring the message of the other two mainstream parties, and looking to the extremists of the BNP.

While I accept and know that first past the post isn't great, I am happy to stick with it until someone comes up with a better format. Although it sticks in my craw that we are governed mainly by Scots.

The major problem currently is that our government is constipated, Brown won't go to the country until the last possible moment, as he is under the Micawberesque impression that something may turn up. In the meantime the country will stagger on rudderless until May 6th when IMO the election will finally take place.

Make no mistake this country needs a change of government, exactly as we did in 1997. New Labour has run out of steam, it has run out of credibility, and the party needs a spell in opposition.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Make no mistake this country needs a change of government, exactly as we did in 1997. New Labour has run out of steam, it has run out of credibility, and the party needs a spell in opposition.

It needs something more fundemental than that. We need political parties that actually stand for something. Labour, Tory, Lib Dems....it's all empty promises to please Middle England and the readers of The Sun/Mirror.

You can't put a Rizla paper between any of the main parties and with the expenses scandal it seems that (on the whole) people enter into politics for one reason only - to feather their own nests.

As I've previously said, working as a poll clerk in elections I've seen the apathy of the great British public when it comes to voting and I can see this trait getting worse come May/June.

Sad, sad state of affairs.

 

[chadded]

As I've previously said, working as a poll clerk in elections I've seen the apathy of the great British public when it comes to voting and I can see this trait getting worse come May/June.

Sad, sad state of affairs.

But why is this? If you ask me, it's because of the state of the people we are voting for. I realise you shuold never judge a book by its cover, but look at Gordon Brown. Does he look like a strong, dynamic leader who commands respect, or does he look like a blithering idiot with massive jowels? Do you really want someone like that in charge, or someone like Obama. I know who I want. It's a massive point in my eyes, that MP's are so unrepresentative of the people they are supposed to represent. Is this our fault as the electorate who votes for these people? After all, we've got to vote for someone.

 

[MK Shrimper]

But why is this? If you ask me, it's because of the state of the people we are voting for. I realise you shuold never judge a book by its cover, but look at Gordon Brown. Does he look like a strong, dynamic leader who commands respect, or does he look like a blithering idiot with massive jowels? Do you really want someone like that in charge, or someone like Obama. I know who I want. It's a massive point in my eyes, that MP's are so unrepresentative of the people they are supposed to represent. Is this our fault as the electorate who votes for these people? After all, we've got to vote for someone.

Well you don't have to vote for anyone, that's your right.

I shudder when it means we have to go down the American route where it's style over substance. I doubt Winston Churchill would have got into power these days without a team of spin doctors behind him with scathing put downs of Chamberlain.

Politics is at the mercy of the media and 30 second sound bites that come to absolutely nothing.

 

[chadded]

Well you don't have to vote for anyone, that's your right.

I shudder when it means we have to go down the American route where it's style over substance. I doubt Winston Churchill would have got into power these days without a team of spin doctors behind him with scathing put downs of Chamberlain.

Politics is at the mercy of the media and 30 second sound bites that come to absolutely nothing.

I'm not placing my vote on whose the better looking or most fashionable. Well, not totally, but I believe I make a valid point. If you look the part, then you will got more respect that the scruff who doesn't.